Looking for descendants of Sarah Ann LANGLEY (b1865 New Brighton) who married John HOLLAND in 1883.

There was a thread concerning this marriage on this board a few days ago but it appears to have been moved elsewhere by the board admin and I cannot now find it to continue the discussion.

Gordon

Must admit - I have the same problem when looking so:

Marriages Sep 1883
Langley Sarah Ann
+
HOLLAND John
Liverpool 8b 248

The marriage is also on Lancashire BMD :-

1883
Liverpool St Peter
John HOLLAND and Sarah A LANGLEY
Ref 2122LP/76/11

Sarah's family in the 1871 Census :-

RG10/3753 folio 77 page 71
Limekiln Cottages, New Brighton, Cheshire
William LANGLEY, 35, general labourer, CHS Wallasey
Sarah, wife, 34, charwoman, CHS Wallasey
Elizabeth, daur, 16, charwoman, LAN Liverpool
Ellen Jane, daur, 14, CHS Wallasey
James, son, 10, CHS Wallasey
William, son, 8, CHS Wallasey
Sarah A, daur, 6, CHS Wallasey
Thomas, son, 3, CHS Wallasey
Eliza, daur, 8 months, CHS Wallasey

The parent's marriage from Lancashire BMD :-

1855
Liverpool St Nicholas
William LANGLEY and Sarah DEAN
Ref 2053LP/31/145

hi am back on board. thanks for the look ups thats great thank you xxx

Hi Marie

Good to see you back - please let's know if you need anything more on the LANGLEY/DEAN line and I'll see what I can turn up.

As regard's John HOLLAND's parents, it's my considered opinion that they are in fact first cousins, this being the marriage on Free BMD :-

1850 SeptQ
Prescot 20/913
William HOLLAND and Elizabeth HOLLAND

In the 1841 Census :-

HO 107/516/10 folio 42 page 16
Pocket Nook, Parr
John HOLLAND, 45, coal miner, Y (born in county)
Betty, 40, Y
Margaret, 15, Y
Joseph, 15, Y
John, 13, Y
Alice, 11, Y
Elizabeth, 9, Y
Mary, 7, Y
Ellen, 5, Y
Jane, 3, Y
Emma, 8 months, Y

Note that Free BMD also has this marriage :-

1850 JuneQ
Prescot 20/906
Matthew MURPHY and Alice HOLLAND

In the 1851 Census :-

HO 107/2195 folio 377page 64
Pocket Nook, Parr
John HOLLAND, 57, coal miner, LAN Parr
Elizabeth, wife, 50, LAN Parr
Emma, daur, 10, LAN Parr
Sarah, daur, 8, LAN Parr
Margaret, daur, 4, LAN Parr
William, nephew, M, 19, labourer, LAN Parr
Elizabeth, daur, M, 19, LAN Prescot
Matthew MURPHY, visitor, 27, M, labourer, LAN Prescot
Alice, wife, 28, M, LAN Parr
James, son, 3 months, LAN Parr

(In the 1861 Census Matthew & Alice MURPHY are both shown as aged 31, so must have been aged 21 in 1851?).

William is believed to have been baptised on 28 August 1831 in St Mary's church in St Helens, son of James & Mary HOLLAND. Father James died in 1836, aged 47, this being the family in the 1841 Census :-

HO 107/516/10 folio 38 page 8
Mill House Cottages, Parr
Mary HOLLAND, 45, Ind, Y
Joseph, 15, collier, Y
Daniel, 15, collier, Y
John, 12, drawman in pit, Y
William, 9, Y
Thomas, 8, Y

And in 1851 :-

HO 107/2195 folio 409 page 50
Parr Mill House Cottages, Parr
Mary HOLLAND, W, 58, LAN Parr
Daniel, son, U, 24, miner, LAN Parr
John, son, U, 22, miner, LAN Parr
Thomas, son, 17, miner, LAN Parr
Mary HILL, lodger, 13, LAN Parr

(No son William because he's married to his cousin Elizabeth and is living with her parents, John & Elizabeth HOLLAND).

In case you're not aware of it (forgive me if you are) some parish registers of St Mary's in St Helens are now free on-line at the Lancashire OPC site :-

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/St-Helens/sthelen/index.html

Best wishes
Gordon

hi thanks for the offer of help....see i never knew any of my grandparents and everyone is now dead that I could ask. all I have is my grand father was john holland born 1863 parr his wife my grt gran sarah ann langley from new brighton liverpool they lived in earlstown sarah's dad was william and the rest was all guess work. not working at moment so cant afford certificates. so any help is great thank you. my email is tarok@blueyonder.co.uk mariexx

This would appear to be the family in 1891 so you have some descendants to start you off

1891 England Census
about Sarah Ann Holland
Name: Sarah Ann Holland
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: New Brighton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Earlestown
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Holland 28
Sarah Ann Holland 27
Elizabeth Holland 5
William Holland 4
Daniel Holland 7/12



This Sarah was born in New Brighton

Do feel free to contact me if you want a copy of the image

Good Luck

Antony Lambert

Hi Marie

Details of Sarah Ann LANGLEY's parents' marriage posted on the Lancashire board, where you had requested them :-

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.la...

Hi again Marie

Thought you might be interested to know that in the 1841 Census your great-grandmother Sarah ANN LANGLEY's father William + her grandmother Elizabeth LANGLEY (indexed by Ancestry as LARGBERY) were living next door to my 3 x great-grandparents William & Ann EVANS, William being licensee of the Little Brighton Inn in Liscard :-

HO 107/128/1 folio 15 page 25
Liscard, Cheshire
Elizabeth LANGLEY, 35, Ind, Y
James, 15, Y
Joseph, 12, Y
William, 6, Y
Jane, 10, Y
Sarah, 5, Y [age should read 8]
John, 4, Y

Next door on the other side :-

Joseph WATKINS, 35, plasterer, N
John, 15, N

The 1851 Census has :-

HO 107/2174 folio 294 page 62
Liscard, Cheshire
Joseph MATTHEWS, 45, plasterer, CHS Chester
Elizabeth, wife, 45, CHS West Kirby
Sarah LANGLEY, daur, 17, CHS Liscard
William LANGLEY, son, 15, CHS Liscard

Interesting that there's no Joseph MATTHEWS/Elizabeth LANGLEY marriage, and that the children are listed as daughter & son rather than stepdaughter & stepson?

Elizabeth is believed to have been Elizabeth JACKSON, baptised in West Kirby St Bridget on 28 March 1802, daughter of Ann JACKSON, single woman, of Caldy.
(A Thomas, son of Ann JACKSON, single woman, of Caldy, was baptised in the same church on 3 September 1806).

The West Kirby St Bridget PR's also have this baptism :-

25 March 1825
Mary, daughter of Elizabeth JACKSON, single woman, of Grange

And the IGI this marriage :-

4 September 1826
Liverpool St Paul, St Paul's Square
William LANGLEY and Elizabeth JACKSON

The West Kirby PR's again have this baptism :-

25 October 1826
James of William & Elizabeth LONGLEY, servant, of Irby

And the IGI these :-

11 July 1831
Wallasey St Hilary
Jane, daughter of William LONGLEY & Elizabeth

15 October 1833
Wallasey St Hilary
Sarah, daughter of William LANGLEY & Elizabeth

22 May 1835
Wallasey St Hilary
William, son of William LANGLEY & Elizabeth

26 February 1837
Wallasey St Hilary
John, son of William LANGLEY & Elizabeth

Interestingly, the 1851 Census has this :-

HO 107/2175 folio 38 page 9
26 Chester Street, Birkenhead
Samuel JONES, 25, shoemaker, CHS Birkenhead
Mary, wife, 26, CHS Caldy
William, son, 2, CHS Birkenhead
Thomas, son, 3 months, CHS Birkenhead
Joseph LANGLEY, visitor, U, 22, gardener, CHS Seacombe.

The above Joseph appears to be Elizabeth LANGLEY's 12 year-old son from the 1841 Liscard Census?

And the IGI has this marriage :-

12 September 1848
Liverpool St Nicholas
Samuel JONES and Mary JACKSON

So the 'visitor' and the lady of the house appear to be half-siblings - both being children of Elizabeth JACKSON, born 1802 in Caldy?

This JACKSON line, incidentally, goes back to a John JACKSON and Ann WOODS who married on 11 December 1758 in Burton St Nicholas and who lived & died in Puddington.
Which is where my own ancestors were living in the early 1600's - hence my nom de plume. :-)

Hi everyone,
I am trying to expand the HOLLAND branch as well. I am a descendant of Joseph HOLLAND, eldest son of John and Mary HOLLAND (b.c1796) and brother to William HOLLAND who married Elizabeth.

I do have a lot more of the Holland branches, but nothing above John and Mary. I haven't used these message boards before, but if anyone are able make additions that would be great.

I believe Marie may be a distant relative. So, hi Marie!

SOME INFORMATION ON MY BRANCH:
(the majortity remained in the Parr, St Helens area of Lancashire, as part of the coal mining community)

Joseph HOLLAND (b.c1823 - d.c1899)
married:
Margaret HART (b.c1825)
children:
Ann HOLLAND (b.c1849)
Mary HOLLAND (b.c1863)
James HOLLAND (b.22 June 1872 - d.c1948)
(James was the second husband of Hannah MYERS (b.c1869 - d.1 Oct 1957)
children:
James HOLLAND (my great grandfather) (b.9 January 1898 - d.18 March 1973)
Hannah HOLLAND (died in infancy?)
Margaret HOLLAND (b.c1907 - d.8 June 1916)

James HOLLAND (b.9 January 1898 - d.18 March 1973)
married:
Emily Louisa BROGDEN (b.6 September 1930 - d.28 October 1986)

Kind regards
Daniel Hollande