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Hedleys in Cleator, Egremont, Whitehaven

petehedley — 2009-11-20 02:00:08Z

Hedleys in Cleator, Egremont, Whitehaven
Andrew Hedley b1824/5 County Down Ireland was the brother of my gg grandfather who disappeared off the radar after he got married c1850, turned up in the 1881 census a blast engine man in Furnace Court, Cleator Moor.

From census 1861, 1871, 1881 I find that there were a lot more than just Andrew. (And from some C of E parish records online which I now can't find again)
It is not, as I thought, a couple of Irishmen finding work in England... there were a LOAD of Hedleys there at that period and what's more they were more or less all in the one street and all born in Ireland.
So a load of unrelated Irishmen called Hedley going to England looking for work don't just happen to all end up in the same street in England!

Andrew and his wife Eliza Jane Booman had a child Isabella baptised in James St Scotch Presbyterian Church in Whitehaven. I then find that Hedleys have been baptised here since 17c !!!!!
Other children were John, born Co Down, Henry born Whitehaven, twins Isabella and Eleanor, 1854, Cleator (Eleanor married John Shylan), James born 1859 in Cleator

Another brother who disappeared (no trace after marriage to Anna Frew) was Joseph. He would have been born about 1830/31.
There is , in the 1881 census an innkeeper called Joseph Hedley at 55, Henry St in Workington. His wife is Annie born Ireland 3 years later than him and living with them is daughter Margaret Larkin and grandson Joseph E Larkin.

Tradition has it that "our" Hedleys are from Northumberland but I now wonder if it wasn't just happen-chance that all those 19c County Down Hedleys ended up in that particular area... perhaps from Northumberland but by way of Cumberland for a hundred years? Also I've seen reference in records recently of addresses like Newcastle, Cumberland and Sunderland, Cumberland so obviously they were easily and often confused.

Any Hedleys from Cumberland after their Irish Roots?

thanks
peter

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

petejermey — 2009-11-19 19:41:09Z

thanks thats a massive help

GATE family from Wigton, Cumberland

BryanHoggarth — 2009-11-17 22:58:27Z

The recent enquiry by Isabella was about John Gate HOGGARTH who may have been an illegitmate son with the father being called GATE.
John Gate HOGGARTH went to Canada about 1906 with his friend Joseph GATE.

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

GeoffEveritt — 2009-11-17 19:15:51Z

The marriage is in the IGI, it took place at Bewcastle 27 May 1848 (see IGI).

Bearing in mind that ages should have been rounded down, this looks more likely to me in 1841-

Stubb, Bailie, Bewcastle
Thomas MITCHINSON 50 Farmer
Mary 45
Elizabeth 15 Fem Serv
Joseph 30 AgLab
plus 2 more AgLabs.

Thomas and Mary were the names of the parents in the IGI Irthington baptism.

Re: William Lamb

petejermey — 2009-11-17 18:40:42Z

That's a massive help thank you

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

petejermey — 2009-11-17 18:31:49Z

Thanks for your help

Re: William Blake

petejermey — 2009-11-17 18:22:47Z

Thanks guys - that's REALLY great!

Sorry I havent replied before now, but I was on holiday.

Re: information on Mary Hoggarth and son , John Hoggarth (Cum.,UK)

GeoffEveritt — 2009-11-14 19:40:38Z

It's quite likely the absent father was called GATE, possibly John GATE. There were several of them around.

There's always a chance that the baptism register would name the father. It happened with some of mine.

Re: information on Mary Hoggarth and son , John Hoggarth (Cum.,UK)

crusoe123 — 2009-11-14 18:31:55Z

The baptism certificate is unlikely to help you. It will probably say John Gates Hoggarth illegitimate son of Mary Hoggarth. The fact that no father is mentioned on the birth certificate means he was illegitimate.

Parish records Cumberland

lyndareid93 — 2009-11-14 16:28:46Z

Can anyone please tell me where I might find Parish records online for Cumberland?

Lynda Reid

Re: EDGARS in cumbria england

joycekemp11 — 2009-11-10 18:42:32Z

My Great Grandmother was born Catherine Edgar .She married Wilkinson Cape about 1840 and had daughter Elisabeth,born 1846.They lived in Harrington Cumberland. Thank you Joyce

Re: William Blake

GeoffEveritt — 2009-11-10 15:46:33Z

The 1851 census has

Field Head, Mungrisdale
William BLAKE 50 Farmer, Bolton
Hannah 41 Lazonby
Joseph 16 Thackthwaite
Elizabeth 10?
Jane Ann 14
John (gr son) 4

With respect to what Peggy found, there was a Hannah PEEL bap at Lazonby 29 April 1810 (of Joseph and Mary)
also
William BLAKE bap 26 July 1801 at Bolton (of Thomas and Mary)

Re: William Blake

peggysullivan114 — 2009-11-10 13:35:03Z

A look at the IGI for the childrens births is

the mothers name is Hannah Peile (later changed to Peel)

I cannot see a marriage, perhaps someone else will know of it.

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-10 08:29:55Z

I'm afraid the only sure way would be to get a copy of

Marriages Jun 1848
Lamb Robert
+
MITCHINSON Elizabeth
Longtown
25
109

which you prob already have the details of - a copy should show both their fathers names + their occupations, which helps pinpoint them earlier - this especially applies when this far back and you are then having to rely on church records for births, if they survive and, the 1841 census which is very basic and does not show relationships. Regretfully, she is not consistant in future census' as to the place of birth and, there are 5 possibles in the 1841 census

If I had to make a guesstimate:

1841
James 50
Elizabeth 20
John 15
Thomas 13
Mary 5
Ann 6 months
Civil parish: Newton
Hundred: Eskdale
County/Island: Cumberland
Registration district: Brampton
Sub-registration district: Brampton

sorry I can't be more specific

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

petejermey — 2009-11-10 06:53:34Z

Sorry I should've given that information! She married Robert Lamb [b 1820] in June 1848.

Re: Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-09 21:01:02Z

Who did she marry?

Re: William Lamb

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-09 20:59:35Z

MAYBE

WILLIAM LAMB
TO
MARGARET MASGRAVE
Marriage: 10 JAN 1819 Stapleton, Cumberland

EXTRACTED FROM INDEX
Bishop's transcripts for Stapleton, 1665-1889 Church of England. Parish Church of Stapleton (Cumberland)

Elizabeth Mitchinson Irthington

petejermey — 2009-11-08 15:06:56Z

Hi

One of my ancestors is Elizabeth Mitchinson of Irthington b 1822. From familysearch I think her parents were Thomas 1795 - 1865 and Mary 1797. However I'm not confident about this and can't find them on the 1841 census so any information would be gratefully recieved. I would also love to know Mary's maiden name.

Many thanks

William Lamb

petejermey — 2009-11-08 15:03:56Z

I am looking for the maiden name of the wife of William Lamb (b 1781) in Cumberland. Her first name is Margaret and she was born 1786 in Cumberland.

Many thanks

William Blake

petejermey — 2009-11-08 15:02:16Z

I am looking for the maiden name of the wife of William Blake (b 1806) in Cumberland. Her first name is Hannah and she was born 1811 in Cumberland.

Many thanks

Re: TAYLOR & LITTELL marriage

BryanHoggarth — 2009-11-04 21:46:51Z

Q$ should have been Q4. English keyboard and had the shift key down.
Q4 is any month from October to December.

Edmunds birth was registered in Camberwell District in Q3 1853.
Such an easy name to trace.

Bryan

TAYLOR & LITTELL marriage

BryanHoggarth — 2009-11-04 21:42:26Z

It seems Geoff is right Barbara.
FreeBMD (look it up) records most of the civil registrations of BMDs in England from 1837 to currently about 1920 to 1930.
it shows that in Q$ 1884 in Camberwell (vol 1d page 1315) there was a marriage of Edmund Seyfang TAYLOR and of the two women on the page one was Bertha Edith LITTELL.

So your family do not appear to have anything to do with Cumberland which is way up north from Surrey and Kent.

Bryan

Church question

dudenjill — 2009-11-04 08:52:05Z

Is it possible that there is a church in the Whitehaven district that is called Harrington Church.

information on Mary Hoggarth and son , John Hoggarth (Cum.,UK)

computerland — 2009-11-03 14:23:30Z

I have the birth certificate of John Gate Hoggarth, my grandfather,born November 2, 1878,in Ireby, Low Village,Cumberland ,England. His mother, Mary Hoggarth, a domestic servant, has not listed the father. The registration district is Wigton, sub-district of Caldbeck. I cannot find a baptismal certificate. Perhaps the actual birth registration would help. This info is vital in order to fit the pieces together.
Mary is listed on the 1891 census, Rg12-4294 Folio 6, Orton,Cum. as single, grocer,Cum, born in Ainstable. John, 12, is a scholar. We cannot find Mary on the 190l census.
Perhaps there are some cousins of Mary who could shed light on this missing info.I would welcome any other history from this family.
Thanks, Isabel

Re: Anyone know of____?

GeoffEveritt — 2009-11-03 08:14:34Z

Perhaps "Cumberwall" was actually Camberwell (Surrey)
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SRY/Camberwell/

Anyone know of____?

BarbaraNelson57 — 2009-11-03 04:16:36Z

I'm afraid I don't know much about England's Geography so I hope you will forgive me if I've posted this in wrong message board.

I'm looking for the Taylor, Littell, Nichols, Foster, Wright Gibbons families.
Edmund Seyfang Taylor m Bertha Littell, He died in 1908, and Bertha came to USA, by way of Canada, with the children.
One of her sons Cyrill Wright Taylor, m my uncle Ted's oldest sister Magdaleana Tuffli from ND. He died in 1996 she died age 106 in 2005

I think they were from Kent, Cumberwall, Surrey, areas

Barbara

Re: Church question

eworld_2 — 2009-11-02 23:12:19Z

There is a place called Harrington between Whitehaven and Workington that has a parish church. Have a look at

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/photoarchive/

and go from there.

Re: chapel knowe

licathmickjo — 2009-10-29 16:22:40Z

Thank you.

Re: Olivant / Oliphant Cumberland

jgraham2661 — 2009-10-28 14:33:21Z

i am researching rev. john oliphant of auburn nj 1771-1831john had a daughter mary also a sister mary and 2 brothers james and joseph

Re: oliphant, ollivant cumberland

jgraham2661 — 2009-10-28 14:27:22Z

researching rev. john oliphant born 1771 died 1831 pastor of church auburn ny.

Re: Kennedy-Armstrong, Bewcastle

HiFly2 — 2009-10-26 23:33:18Z

Is this the same family group that is listed on the 1881 Canadian Census residing @ McGillivray, Middlesex North, Ontario?? District 169
Sub-district D Division 2
Page Number 15 Household Number 68

I have quite a lot of Kennedy & Armstrong of around that time from Bewcastle - some David's but none of those have have a c1811 birthdate.

How do you know he came from Bewcastle ?? Do you have any of his siblings info which might help in pinning hime down?

HiFly

Re: chapel knowe

ELLinSpain — 2009-10-16 20:49:48Z

may explain better:

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/parishes/parhistory1036.html

chapel knowe

licathmickjo — 2009-10-15 14:01:30Z

Hello everyone

On an 1891 census return, my great great grandad David Dalton (then living in Tanfield, Co. Durham) is listed as having been born in Cumberland, ChapelKnowe. Previously, he is said to have been born in 'Scotland'.

I know that there is a Chapelknowe just across the border in Dumfriesshire - can anyone give me any idea:

a) if there is/was actually a Chapelknowe in Cumberland, or
b) if the Chapelknowe in Dumfriesshire might have 'moved' if borders were altered during the 19th century?

David is proving pretty elusive. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Mick

Sarah Annie Huddart, James Millican Huddart,

redrumba1 — 2009-10-14 19:52:52Z

Looking for any connections to Sarah Annie Huddart, brother James Millican Huddart, mother Jane Lawson Millican, father James Huddart...all from Maryport, Cockermouth, Cumberland, Cumbria. Sarah Annie and James Huddart were the witnesses at my Grandmother wedding (Evelyn Crellin & George Thomas Jones 1931)

I need to conatact any remaining relatives of the Huddarts.

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-10-09 01:37:17Z

Only the husband would be shown if married, no maiden name on death certificate.

The only promising Frances found so far is Frances Brown, baptized 25 Sept 1819 at Castle Sowerby, however the only Frances Brown marriage found is to John Wane, 28 Sept 1839, Bassenthwaite. The search for Thomas Todd's Frances continues.:)

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-10-06 11:48:12Z

Elizabeth Todd and William Ivison married 20 November 1866, St. Mary Carlisle.

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-10-05 20:26:39Z

Could this be Frances' death:-

Deaths Jun 1876
Todd Frances aged 60 Penrith 10b 256

If so, were maiden names added to death certificates in 1876?

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-10-05 20:03:59Z

1871 Census finds Thomas (1808) Todd and Frances living with their son Robert and his wife Hannah (Hulme) in Ormskirk, North Meols. In 1881 Thomas was back in St. Cuthbert, Carlisle, Frances presumably deceased.

Frances' maiden name is still a mystery.

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-10-05 15:56:35Z

Big ooops!! "Were you able to locate 1871 census records? :)"

Apologies, I missed your 30 Sept post and should have looked harder.:(:(

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-10-05 15:50:23Z

Latest finds:
Jane Todd c. 29 Jan 1837, Stanwix, father William Todd, mother Isabella (?)

"Boxman" in your later post re 1861 census was presumably Bowman. Jane a house servant to Bowmans.

Elizabeth Todd c.27 Sept 1842, Houghton, father William Todd, mother Isabella (?).

Ann Todd b. 1838 Dalston, Thomas (1841)Todd's sister married a William Bowman, b 1826, Heskett, abt June 1863.

Robert Todd, Thomas (1841)Todd's brother, married a Hannah Hulme, b. Ormskirk, in Carlisle abt June 1863.

Were you able to locate 1871 census records? :)

Regards!

Re: Gilmore of Alston.

maidofkent3 — 2009-09-30 19:36:21Z

I know this is 7 years ago now, but I'm hoping you still have the same e-mail address.

My great-grandfather was the older brother of your grandfather Patrick. My g-grandfather was John William. In the 1901 Census John William was married and living in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, having moved there after the lead mining industry all but dried up in Alston.

I do have some interesting bits of paperwork that you would probably like to see. Please contact me, if you receive this message.

Regards

Christine

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-09-30 08:06:20Z

I'm finding it harder to find them on the 1871 census, I have now found Frances and Thomas, are you sure they survived.

I think that Eleanor married John Harrison, as follows, and Young is living with them, although he is described as a boarder.

Marriages Mar 1864
Harrison John Carlisle 10b 571
Todd Ellinor Carlisle 10b 571

1871 census transcription details for: Newby, Cummersdale
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 5225 Folio: 21 Page: 7

Reg. District: Carlisle Sub District: Dalston
Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Cummersdale City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Newby, Cummersdale County: Cumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation, Where Born

HARRISON, John Head M 32 1839 Cumberland Iron stone miner
HARRISON, Ellen Wife F 30 1841 Cumberland
HARRISON, Mary E Daughter F 6 1865 Cumberland
HARRISON, Barbara Daughter F 2 1869 Cumberland
HARRISON, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1871 Cumberland
TODD, James Boarder M 10 1861 Cumberland

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-09-30 01:13:55Z

Thanks very much, appreciated indeed!

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-09-29 23:22:12Z

TODD, Mary Head Widow F 66 1795 Agricultural Labourer CummersdaleCumberland
TODD, Eleanor Daughter Unmarried F 20 1841 Formerly Servant CummersdaleCumberland
TODD, James Son M 0 (10M) 1861 CummersdaleCumberland

RG number:RG09 Piece:3924 Folio:29 Page:32

Registration District:Carlisle Sub District:6 Dalston EnumerationDistrict:2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:Cummersdale Municipal Borough: Address:Newby, Cummersdale County:Cumberland

These are all 1861 census records.

Thomas Todd, is working as a Ploughman, on a farm owned by people called Young.

Will get the 1871 census records for you tomorrow.

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-09-29 23:19:05Z

NICHOLSON, John Head Widower M 65 1796 Farmer Of 81 Acres Employing 1 Man 1 Boy 1 Girl DalstonCumberland
NICHOLSON, Robert Son Unmarried M 41 1820 Farmers Son OultonCumberland
NICHOLSON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 39 1822 House Keeper DalstonCumberland
IVISON, William Servant Unmarried M 18 1843 Ploughman LamonbyCumberland
TODD, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 Dairy Maid HoughtonCumberland
RG09 Piece:3924 Folio:66 Page:15

Registration District:Carlisle Sub District:6 Dalston EnumerationDistrict:5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:Buckabank Municipal Borough: Address:Buckabank, Buckabank County:
Cumberland

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-09-29 23:16:35Z

1861 census - household transcription Person: TODD, Mary Address: Newby, Cummersdale

BOXMAN, Robert Head Married M 82 1779 Grocer & Farmer Of 20 Acres Employing 2 Labourers Scotland
BOXMAN, Rebecca Wife Married F 83 1778 Farmers Wife AiktonCumberland
MORRAY, Jane Daughter F 62 1799 Farmers Daughter St CuthbertCumberland
TODD, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 24 1837 House Servant StanwickCumberland

RG number:RG09 Piece:3924 Folio:91 Page:1
Registration District:Carlisle Sub District:6 Dalston EnumerationDistrict:8 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:Hawksdale Municipal Borough: Address:Green Lane, Hawksdale County:Cumberland

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

crusoe123 — 2009-09-29 23:07:11Z

Hello,

I will send these as I find them. First three names on this census, for 1861.

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation Where Born Original
TODD, Thomas Head Married M 53 1808 Ag Lab DalstonCumberland
TODD, Frances Wife Married F 41 1820 Castle SowerbyCumberland
TODD, Mary Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Crosby on EdenCumberland
RG number:RG09 Piece:3924 Folio:85 Page:1

Registration District:Carlisle Sub District:6 Dalston EnumerationDistrict:7 A Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:Ivegill Municipal Borough: Address:Sunny Vale, Holme Head, Ivegill County:

Re: Thomas Todd and Lucy Simpson family, Carlisle

rtneuville — 2009-09-29 22:46:37Z

Hello again Crusoe123,

Do you have access to the details/addresses for these Todds as listed in the 1861 census index:
THOMAS TODD 53 Carlisle, Dalston
FRANCES TODD 41 Carlisle, Dalston
MARY TODD 9 Carlisle, Dalston
THOMAS TODD 20 Carlisle, Dalston
MARY TODD 66 Carlisle, Dalston
ELEANOR TODD 20 Carlisle, Dalston
JAMES TODD 0 Carlisle, Dalston
JANE TODD 24 Carlisle, Dalston
ELIZABETH TODD 19 Carlisle
,
and ditto for the 1871 census?

Thanks for any information

Re: David Lawrence LITTLE

eileenyoung04 — 2009-09-29 01:06:23Z

Thanks for your reply Geoff, but I think it must be a different David, - mine had a son born in New Zealand in 1897, so he must have emigrated before then

Re: The Barwis/Barwise's of Holm Cultram

bruceancestry1 — 2009-09-28 21:07:16Z

Hi i would be interested if anyone could contact me regarding barwis at Holm cultram c 1580's please