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George Winson b1898

Richard Morton  (View posts) Posted: 22 Sep 2009 6:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Winson, Morton
Looking for information on my grandfather. He was from where near Heath. Changed his name to Richard A Morton when enterning the US.

Re: George Winson b1898

Tania_Dennis  (View posts) Posted: 27 Sep 2009 2:13PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: Winson, Smith
Hi Richard

Found a possible...but can you provide any additional info eg: siblings, father, mother????? anything.

FreeBMD

George Horace WINSON b: Qrt Sep 1898 District: Chesterfield Vol: 7b Pg: 789 (Note: Heath is in the registration district of Chesterfield)

1901 Census
Ault Hucknall, Derbyshire
Henry WINSON head age: 31 b: Cheshire High Leigh Warrington Occ: Farmer
Esther WINSON wife age: 24 b: Derbys Ashover
George WINSON son age: 2 b: Derbys Heath
Wilfred WINSON Son age: 4 b: Derbys Heath

On the 1911 Census
Chesterfield, Derbyshire
SMITH SAMUEL head M 1849 62
SMITH MARY ALICE wife F 1853 58
SMITH JOHN EDWARD son M 1887 24
SMITH SAMUEL son M 1891 20
SMITH VICTOR ROBERT son M 1898 13
WINSON ESTHER ANNE daughter F 1877 34
WINSON WILFRED LEWIS grandson M 1897 14
WINSON FREDERICK WILLIAM grandson M 1901 10
WINSON WINIFRED ELSIE granddaughter F 1903 8
WINSON ETHEL MAY granddaughter F 1907 4
WINSON JOHN REGINALD grandson M 1907 4
WINSON SAMUEL LESLIE grandson M 1909 2

Note: George WINSON is also on the 1911 Census in Chesterfield Derbyshire but not with his family he is listed a visitor you would have to pay to see who he was staying with.

Found marriage for his parents
Marriages Qrt Sep 1896 District: Chesterfield Vol: 7b Pg: 1205
SMITH Esther Anne
WINSON Henry Toplis A

I cannot find Henry on the 1911 Census

This is strange is it possible that this family went to Quebec, Canada in 1910 and then returned to England prior to the 1911 Census???? They are only record with First Initials and b: abt. But the initials and dates of birth match rather well to the 1911 Census.

Found on Findmypast Immigration records
Departure year: 1910 Departure Port Liverpool Arrival Port Quebec
WINSON 1868 F
WINSON E 1877 F
WINSON E 1907 F
WINSON F 1902 M
WINSON G 1900 M
WINSON H 1871 M
WINSON H W 1867 M
WINSON J 1907 M
WINSON L 1909 F
WINSON R 1909 M
WINSON W 1897 M
WINSON W 1903 F

Anyway you can decide if this is your family or it maybe a lead.

Cheers
Tania




Re: George Winson b1898

Richard Morton  (View posts) Posted: 27 Sep 2009 6:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Winson

Hope this helps.

My grandfather

George Winson b. 3 July 1898 d. 26 Oct 1984
wife's maiden name
Madeline Kratochwil b. 1903? d. 23 April 1961

George's father

Henry Winson.
wife first name
Mary (I do not know her maiden name)

George's brother

Leslie Winson b. ? d. abt1990.
Wife first name
Joyce (I do not know her maiden name)

My mother just gave me a Family Tree, but with only names. So its a start.

Thank you for the leads.


Richard Morton

Re: George Winson b1898

Tania_Dennis  (View posts) Posted: 27 Sep 2009 11:08PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: Winson
Hi Richard

I believe I have the proof that the family information that I provided you on my last post is your family. WW1 for George matches your birth date.

The National Archive (England)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
George's medal card - you can order online (doesn't always hold a lot of information)

Description Name Winson, George Horace
Official Number: J38708
Place of Birth: Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Date 03 July 1898
Catalogue reference ADM 188/724
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 38501-39000

I would also say that the brother Leslie your mother mentioned could be Samuel Leslie Winson b: abt: 1909 that I also provided info about on my last post. You said that Leslie died abt: 1990 I did find a death in derbyshire for Samuel Leslie WINSON died 1989. Not uncommon to use middle name. As for the Mary as mother people sometimes get it wrong...but he could have married twice. See below...

Looks like Wilfred Lewis WINSON, George's brother migrated to Canada in 1915. Found record on Findmypast.
Wilfred WINSON b: abt; 1897
Departure year: 1915
Ship: METAGAMA
Departure Port: Liverpool
Arrival Port: St Johns NF Canada

After checking the Library & Archives of Canada it appears that Wilfred aged 18 at time arrived as one of the Home Children. His WW1 Attestment papers are also there and viewable. Just search WINSON Wilfred at site below.

http://collectionscanada.ca/index-e.html

Home Children (1869-1930)
Name: WINSON
Given Name: Wilfred
Age: 18
Sex: M
Ship: Metagma
Year of Arrival: 1915
Departure Port: Liverpool
Departure Date: 26 March 1915
Arrival Port: Saint John
Arrival Date: 4 April 1915
Party: Not Given
Destination: Various
Comments: Labourers & Domestics
Source: Library and Archives Canada/Bibliothèque et Archives Canada
Reference: RG76 C 1 c
Microfilm: T-4830

Soldiers of the First World War - CEF

Name: WINSON, WILFRED LOUIS
Regimental number(s): 3211519
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 10499 - 9
Date of Birth: 25/08/1897
It states that he was born Heath, Derbyshire and that his next of kin was Harry WINSON (father)address:McDonaldville, Alta he was a farmer.

This could be starting to fit together. What if Esther & Henry Winson with all their children migrated to Canada in 1910 (see previous post) but Esther and children came back to England and where living with Esther's parents on 1911 Census. Henry stayed in Canada.

Also found at the Library & Archives of Canada which would possible fit this scenario
Western Land Grants (1870-1930)
Names: Henry Toplis WINSON
Part:NW Section: 6Township: 48 Range: 2 Meridian: W4
Volume: 590
Folio: 38
Microfilm reel number: C-6405

Cheers

Tania

Re: George Winson b1898

Tania_Dennis  (View posts) Posted: 27 Sep 2009 11:20PM GMT
Classification: Census
Surnames: Winson
A little more...

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta

Battle River, Alberta
Henry Topless WINSON head b: abt: 1873 England
Wilford WINSON son b: abt: 1896 England

Cheers
Tania

Re: George Winson b1898

Richard Morton  (View posts) Posted: 1 Oct 2009 12:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: -
Tania

After talking with my sister this would be my family. Thank you very very much for all your help and information.

Richard

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50  (View posts) Posted: 18 Oct 2009 12:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Richard
If this is your grandfather, Then his parents were my Grandfather's cousins (Henry and Esther were also first cousins)Henry's father Henry 1 and his mother Mary A Smith nee Winson) were brother and sister. Should you like any more info on Henry 1 and Mary's parents would be happy to provide it.
Regards
Lorraine Winson

Re: George Winson b1898

Richard Morton  (View posts) Posted: 18 Oct 2009 3:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Winson
Lorraine

Yes. I would appreciate any more information that you might have.

Richard Morton

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50  (View posts) Posted: 18 Oct 2009 10:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again
The earliest I've got back is 1808. The public records are kept in Matlock near where my Father lives so I hope to look up more sometime.
Robert Winson born Ashleyhay 1808 m Eliza Millington born Kirk Ireton 1811. They married in Kirk Ireton church in 1831 If you google it you find some photos of church and information. Went there last summer with my daughters and some friends and after looking round church and graveyard had a pint in the Barley Mow pub where no doubt Robert would have drank occasionally .You'll find some more info and photos of the pub too.

Here is 1841 census. Robert is a farmer 0f 22 acres in Hulland Derbyshire.
Robert Winson 30
Eliza Winson 30
John Winson 9 b Kirk Ireton
Lydia Winson 7 b all subsequent children born in Hulland
Anne Winson 6
Abraham Winson 4
Hannah Winson 2
There was another daughter Eliza who died aged 2.
1851 Census
Robert Winson 43
Eliza Winson 42
John Winson 19
Abraham Winson 14
Hannah Winson 11
Henry Winson 9 your great great grandfather
George Winson 7
Robert Winson 4 my great grandfather
1861 census
Robert Winson 63
Eliza Winson 62
Mary Alice Winson 18
Frederick William Millington Winson 2 b Lymm Cheshire Henry's eldest son.

1881 census
Henry Winson 39
Mary Winson 42
Fredrick Winson 12
Henry Winson 11
Robert Winson 4
Henry is listed as a coal miner

1891 census Henry is now living with his married sister in Heath still mining Samuel Smith is a farmer.
Samuel Smith 40
Mary Alice Smith 38
Esther Anna Smith 14 your great grandmother
William Smith 13
Fredrick Smith 10
Ethel Mary Smith 8
Ada Smith 6
John Edward Smith 4
Samuel Smith 3
John Milner 23
Joseph Ward 16
Henry Winson 48 great great grandfather
Henry Winson 21 great grandfather
James Gladwin 21
Sarah Smith 19

1901 census
Henry Winson 31 farmer in Ault Hucknall
Esther Winson 24
Wilfred Winson 4
George Winson 2 perhaps your grandfather
John Smith 42

How they managed to get all children to Canada and back escapes me though, that seems strange.

Hope this is useful.
Lorraine Winson

Re: George Winson b1898

AHigton  (View posts) Posted: 19 Oct 2009 4:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Henry Winson (born 19.9.1841) remarried to Mary Ann Wheeldon in 1892. She was the sister of my great grandfather. They had a child, George Thomas in 1897 and were living in Tibshelf on the 1901 census. On the 1911 census they were living in Hardwick Street, Tibshelf with George and 2 boarders. I think Henry died in 1914 and Mary in 1915.
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