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Re: Searching for railway servants orphan

steveandkelleymasters — 2009-11-28 17:56:15Z

Hi
Many thanks for the information,much appreciated,will look into the marriages.
Kelley

Re: Searching for railway servants orphan

onelayperson — 2009-11-28 12:17:20Z

hello this may help you. I looked up his first name spelling and well see what you can make of the following.
Census and Gro index information.
Stephen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Extract: 1881 British Census and Gro index
Dwelling: 13 Hartington Rd
Census Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Source: FHL Film 1341139 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0604 Folio 40 Page 20

Household:
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John DYER
M 39 Male Nine Elms, Surrey, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Engineman On Railway
Mary A. DYER
M 35 Female Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Rel: Wife
Marriages Dec 1868
DYER John Lambeth 1d 416
Winton Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 416
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John W.G. DYER
11 Male Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Births Sep 1869
Dyer John William G Lambeth 1d 390
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alice M. DYER
9 Female Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Births Sep 1871
DYER Alice Maud Lambeth 1d 392
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edward DYER
7 Male Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Births Sep 1873
Dyer Edward Lambeth 1d 444
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fredrick DYER
5 Male Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Births Dec 1875
Dyer Frederick Joseph Lambeth 1d 443
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Emmanuel DYER
2 Male Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Births Jun 1879
Dyer Emmanuel Lambeth 1d 446

possible marriages
Marriages Dec 1914
Dyer Emmanuel Williams Pontypridd 11a 1181
Williams Cassie Dyer Pontypridd 11a 1181

This looks to be the one
Marriages Sep 1924
Dyer Emmanuel Lewis Wandsworth 1d 910
Lewis Eleanor C E Dyer Wandsworth 1d 910

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Florence DYER
1 m Female Lambeth, Surrey, England
Rel: Daur
Births Jun 1881
DYER Florence Lambeth 1d 433

Searching for railway servants orphan

steveandkelleymasters — 2009-11-28 12:11:29Z

Could anyone help me with finding one of my ancestors.
Emanuel Dyer born in Lambeth,London 1879 was in the Railway Servants Orphanage on the 1891 census, and thats where i,ve lost him. I cant find him on the 1901 or 1911 census nor can i find a death index for him.
Would he have emigrated,if so how do i find that out?
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Kelley

Maria A Garrett

lindapage1951 — 2009-11-25 18:30:07Z

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Re: Ann Brooks, Derby

ELLinSpain — 2009-11-25 14:53:49Z

AS ages were rounded down in 1841 - maybe

1841
Name: Samuel Brooks
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Sawley
Hundred: Morleston and Litchurch
County/Island: Derbyshire
not born in county
+
Name: Elizabeth Brooks
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
not born in county
Gender: Female

+
Name: Ann Brooks
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
+
Name: Samuel Brooks
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Derbyshire
+
Name: Rebecca Brooks
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire

Re: Derby, Darby, Daby

johnhopkinsdesc1634 — 2009-11-24 16:39:12Z

Hello-I have researched some of this. I too start at Thomas Daby born in Salem, who died at Stow. Thomas did marry the Mary Brown you reference. I cannot find a connection between Thomas and any other Daby/Darby/Derby. According to the Derby geneology there were several early Derbies in America. One, John Derby came over to America in 1671, so he obviously couldn't have been here to father Thomas. There is a John Derby who was in Marblehead and I have found his probate record. There is lastly a Thomas Derby who founded the First Church of Salem in 1665. He has to be the son of either John or Thomas but I can find no records of his birth. I have a public tree called "Solomon Pierce". I have the will of Mary Browne's father which has a lot of references to his son in law Derby. Nancy Hopkins

Payne family from Belper area

heidiburman — 2009-11-23 16:20:20Z

Looking for any info on a "Eric Payne", born in Belper 1930, he had a twin brother "Norman"
Any info plz contact me..........

Ann Brooks, Derby

susanbratton1 — 2009-11-23 10:22:43Z

Can anyone help me find the birth date and place of Ann Brooks in about 1825?

From her marriage certificate, I know that her father's name was Samuel Brooks, a labourer. She was married in 1844 in Duffield to Thomas Seal(s) and they were residing in Makeny at the time.

Other family members include John Brooks and Elizabeth Brooks (witnesses to the marriage), although I do not know their relationship to Ann.

Thank you

Susan B.

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

luddite666 — 2009-11-23 09:32:31Z

As Alan knows I am descended from this couple (James Colemoss and Mary Moorfoot) through their daughter Elizabeth who was born in Howick in 1855. She married a Scottish miner called Robert Gilroy and they lived in Coromandel. One of their daughters was my grandmother.

Everything I know has probably been provided by by Alan but if there is any other info going I'd like to hear it.

Paul

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

turbine176 — 2009-11-23 04:21:43Z

Sorry, sent the message to wrong person. Cheers, Gina

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

turbine176 — 2009-11-23 04:20:31Z

Hi, I am related to Jane Marie Colemoss thru her son James Albert brown. He married my grandmother,s sister, Sarah Elizabeth Mitchell. I have lots of info on this branch of the family, and would love to know about yours. I live in NZ and my email is turbine@orcon.net.nz. Hope to hear from you soon. Gina Garrick

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

thamesboy — 2009-11-23 04:06:14Z

Gina,

I believe that I have already provided most of the information to you, and gave you Brian Holden's cntact information, and you met with him. If I can provide additional information, please let me know, and I will make contact directly to you, or via my cousin in New Zealand. I live in the USA, don't get to NZ very often, anymore

Regards,

Alan

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

turbine176 — 2009-11-23 03:51:33Z

Hi, I am related to Jane Marie Colemoss, through her son, James Albert Brown. Hemarried my grandmothe,s sister, Sarah Elizabeth Mitchell. I have lots of info about this branch of the family, and would love to hear about Ann and her family. I live in NZ and my email is turbine@orcon.net.nz
I have had contact in NZ with other branches, and can send you email addresses if you like. I look forward to hearing from you. Gina

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

ptesta196 — 2009-11-22 10:00:17Z

Hi
I am Ann Colemoss's great-grandaughter living in Australia.
She and her husband John Laurence Quinn were pioneers in the Southern Monaro region of NSW, having 18 children,and their children also having large families went a long way to populate the surrounding areas. We have a fairly comprehensive history of this family, if anyone would like information. I would also be interested in her siblings families etc., will look forward to hearing from some distant cousin in the near future.
Ann.

Pte David John Fear, Will at Derbyshire Record Office

Royston76 — 2009-11-20 13:45:55Z

Is anyone visiting Derbyshire Record Office. I am researching Pte David John Fear who lost his live in WW1. Derbyshire Record Office hold the will of Pte David John Fear, then of Brockton Camp near Stafford, 1917 (made while on active service). Record Office Item reference DVD 421. I would appreciate a copy.

Regards Roy

NORMAN AND ERIC PAYNE (twins)

heidiburman — 2009-11-20 13:42:21Z

Looking for any info on a "Eric Payne", born in Belper 1930, he had a twin brother "Norman"
Any info plz contact me..........

Winson family connections

winsonmichelle — 2009-11-15 20:37:02Z

Hello board! I've searched through the boards and found a few people also looking for Winson connections. (How exciting!)

I'm looking particularly for any Winson connections that moved to Ohio, US. Here's a few names that I've got so far:

William Winson B: 18??,
son: Thomas Winson B: 1841 who married Charlotte Spencer B: 1843
Thomas Winson B: 1862 D:1931 married Letitisha Miller B:1865 D: 1965. The couple then moved to South Amherst, Ohio in 1910's.

I'm searching for any information that anyone out there may have. Brothers/Sisters, any generations past and including William Winson.

Thank you!

Re: Charles Heath Clark, Chesterfield (b. abt 1861)

retroandy — 2009-11-12 18:34:56Z

Additional:-

Based on part theory about the Heath name, and some records research - I'm particularly interested to know about a marriage that may have taken place between Henry Clarke and Harriet Heath in Chesterfield during 1862.

Charles Heath Clark, Chesterfield (b. abt 1861)

retroandy — 2009-11-12 17:08:15Z

I'm trying to identify his parents. He married Ellen Ryan in 1882, and the wedding certificate has a line through where his Father's name & profession would have normally been.

The 2 census dates I've identified him in (1891/1901) states he was born in Chesterfield approx 1861. He was a basket maker by trade.

There is no Charles Heath Clark(e) in the bmd records for chesterfield. However there is one record for 'Charles Clark' (Q4 of 1859), and also one for 'Charles Clark Heath' Q3 of 1860. Note that the 'Heath' part of 'Charles Heath Clark(e)' is past on to some family members for at least 2 generations, so I had thought possibly some historical significance for the family.

I have ordered the birth certificates for the 2 people above, Meanwhile - if you think you can help with either facts or suggestions, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

Browne/Brown

emcee4 — 2009-11-10 21:45:06Z

Can anyone help me find the parents of Joseph Browne/Brown born c1796 at St Alkmunds, Derby (1851 census). Also his wife Elizabeth Shaw born c1796 at Nottingham (1851 census).
They married at St Werburghs, Derby in 1825 and raised their family in that area.

Re: Derbyshire ancestors

cavedes — 2009-11-04 07:36:26Z

No, no brother named Frank. The children were Elizabeth (1826), Jane (1826), John (1827), Lucy (1830), Eli (1837) and Hiram (1838) all born in Sutton Bonnington, Nottingham.

Re: Derbyshire ancestors

cavedes — 2009-11-04 07:33:09Z

Sorry, no. Doesn't seem to be a connection.

robert wilson1811 and susan gillies smith 1821

philippa1950 — 2009-11-01 13:04:19Z

Hi,Robert was minister of Charlesworth Chapel late 1840s and 1850s. They had 5 children the last 2 being born in Hayfield, Robert William 1849 and Susanna Gillies 1852. I cannot find family after 1851 census in Charlesworth. They are from Scotland and also lived in Cockermouth Cumberland. Thanks Philippa

Re: William WHEELDON m. Elizabeth WHITE in South Wingfield, Derby

cherielawrence36 — 2009-11-01 08:26:04Z

hi kate what area do you live..yes i have been trying to do my husbands and my own as well..i seem to jump around a bit..wheeldon is from my husbands side..his mother was a Wheeldon. cherie

Re: William WHEELDON m. Elizabeth WHITE in South Wingfield, Derby

kjacko20022000 — 2009-11-01 07:20:00Z

Hi Cherie, lovely to hear from you. This all sounds pretty familiar! Good on you for the research. Its great how I am bumping into heaps of descendents of the brother John and William Wheeldon. Any questions you have or any questions you have of me I will do my best to help. I didn't really start researching family history until I got to the age of 35 and then my curiousity started to kick in. The more I got into it the more I learnt and the more research I had to do. It sort of 'snowballs' doesn't it!

Cheers,

Kate J.

Re: Susannah PARKIN 1868 Ripley, Derbyshire

gloriagarrant16 — 2009-10-30 23:42:55Z

Hi Patricia,

I noticed on Ancestry that you have William J. Day born 1856
in Egerton, Kent, England. William J. Day was my great
grandfather. His father was William Day born 1814-1815 and
his mother was Caroline born about 1819. William J. Day
married Amelia Heathfield. Is this the same family as
yours? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Gloria

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-22 17:26:13Z

Yes we must be. Lewis and my great grandma were brother and sister. They must have been close as She named her 2nd son after him.
Lorraine

Re: CROFTS Thomas b. 1830 in Kilburn, Derbyshire

DianneHerrera1 — 2009-10-22 16:13:34Z

This was ages ago, but Ellen Crofts is my great grandmother. Did you have any more information. Thanks for coming up with this information.

Re: George Winson b1898

AHigton — 2009-10-20 18:36:45Z

My great-great grandad Lewis was Joseph and Ann's son so we must be related!

Re: George Winson b1898

AHigton — 2009-10-20 18:24:21Z

Yes she was their granddaughter. Their son Lewis was her father and he was married to Ann Bexon.

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-19 20:16:40Z

You're welcome. Happy hunting.
regards
Lorraine

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-19 20:13:26Z

Was Mary Anne a relative of Joseph Wheeldon and Ann Jill Thompson? My great grandmother Marian was their daughter.

Re: George Winson b1898

rmorton58 — 2009-10-19 18:19:43Z

Thank you. May have been different George Winson. My grandfather matches the information from Tania.

"The National Archive (England)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
George's medal card - you can order online (doesn't always hold a lot of information)

Description Name Winson, George Horace
Official Number: J38708
Place of Birth: Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Date 03 July 1898
Catalogue reference ADM 188/724
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 38501-39000"

My grandfather was in the Royal Navy and the birth date is correct.

I realize it will get very hard going back any more past the 1800s.
Lorraine thank you for your information.

Richard Morton

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-19 17:34:01Z

Was Mary Anne a relative of Joseph Wheeldon and Ann Jill Thompson? My great grandmother Marian was their daughter.

Re: George Winson b1898

AHigton — 2009-10-19 16:45:49Z

Henry Winson (born 19.9.1841) remarried to Mary Ann Wheeldon in 1892. She was the sister of my great grandfather. They had a child, George Thomas in 1897 and were living in Tibshelf on the 1901 census. On the 1911 census they were living in Hardwick Street, Tibshelf with George and 2 boarders. I think Henry died in 1914 and Mary in 1915.

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-18 22:25:43Z

Hi again
The earliest I've got back is 1808. The public records are kept in Matlock near where my Father lives so I hope to look up more sometime.
Robert Winson born Ashleyhay 1808 m Eliza Millington born Kirk Ireton 1811. They married in Kirk Ireton church in 1831 If you google it you find some photos of church and information. Went there last summer with my daughters and some friends and after looking round church and graveyard had a pint in the Barley Mow pub where no doubt Robert would have drank occasionally .You'll find some more info and photos of the pub too.

Here is 1841 census. Robert is a farmer 0f 22 acres in Hulland Derbyshire.
Robert Winson 30
Eliza Winson 30
John Winson 9 b Kirk Ireton
Lydia Winson 7 b all subsequent children born in Hulland
Anne Winson 6
Abraham Winson 4
Hannah Winson 2
There was another daughter Eliza who died aged 2.
1851 Census
Robert Winson 43
Eliza Winson 42
John Winson 19
Abraham Winson 14
Hannah Winson 11
Henry Winson 9 your great great grandfather
George Winson 7
Robert Winson 4 my great grandfather
1861 census
Robert Winson 63
Eliza Winson 62
Mary Alice Winson 18
Frederick William Millington Winson 2 b Lymm Cheshire Henry's eldest son.

1881 census
Henry Winson 39
Mary Winson 42
Fredrick Winson 12
Henry Winson 11
Robert Winson 4
Henry is listed as a coal miner

1891 census Henry is now living with his married sister in Heath still mining Samuel Smith is a farmer.
Samuel Smith 40
Mary Alice Smith 38
Esther Anna Smith 14 your great grandmother
William Smith 13
Fredrick Smith 10
Ethel Mary Smith 8
Ada Smith 6
John Edward Smith 4
Samuel Smith 3
John Milner 23
Joseph Ward 16
Henry Winson 48 great great grandfather
Henry Winson 21 great grandfather
James Gladwin 21
Sarah Smith 19

1901 census
Henry Winson 31 farmer in Ault Hucknall
Esther Winson 24
Wilfred Winson 4
George Winson 2 perhaps your grandfather
John Smith 42

How they managed to get all children to Canada and back escapes me though, that seems strange.

Hope this is useful.
Lorraine Winson

Re: George Winson b1898

rmorton58 — 2009-10-18 15:06:25Z

Lorraine

Yes. I would appreciate any more information that you might have.

Richard Morton

Re: George Winson b1898

lorrainewinson50 — 2009-10-18 12:25:52Z

Hi Richard
If this is your grandfather, Then his parents were my Grandfather's cousins (Henry and Esther were also first cousins)Henry's father Henry 1 and his mother Mary A Smith nee Winson) were brother and sister. Should you like any more info on Henry 1 and Mary's parents would be happy to provide it.
Regards
Lorraine Winson

Re: JOULE in Chapel-en-le-Frith

SandyQuinn38 — 2009-10-17 21:59:49Z

Hi there,

I have vast files of information of the JOULE name. Can you be more specific on where your interest lie?

Regards Sandy Quinn nee JOULE

Re: JOULE

theantiquarian2 — 2009-10-17 13:34:46Z

I was intrigued by your post regarding this name. Do you have a Joseph Joule b Walton Le Dale Lancs 1837 m Eleanor Hayes b 1836 Preston Lancs. They moved to Stockport Cheshire by the 1881 census with nine children. Daughter Eleanor M a Ralph Toft there in 1896-9.
Thank you

James COLEMOSS or COLE MOSS

2009-10-15 13:53:23Z

I am looking for any ancestors of James Colemoss born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby. He was a soldier in the 37th Regiment of Foot and emigrated to New Zealand in 1847 with his wife Mary and 4 young children.
There does not seem to be ANYTHING about the name Coalmoss. Any help would be appreciated.
Karen

Re: JAMES COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS

turbine176 — 2009-10-14 21:28:13Z

Thanks for your info. I will contact Brian Holden, for info, and contact you again. Gina.

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

thamesboy — 2009-10-14 20:51:50Z

I show Jane born on the date you indicate, in North Shields, Northumberland, you probably have the more exact location. Also have information on the Colemoss/Moorfoot branch, including Australian and New Zealand descendants.

Re: JAMES COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS

thamesboy — 2009-10-14 20:49:00Z

Hi,

I am a second great grandnephew of Jane Maria Colemoss. I do have James Bwn showing in my family tree, born 18 November 1880, in Whangamata, but nothing beyond that. Have information on the Colemoss/Moorfoot family dating back to her father James Colemoss, born 5 April 1806, in Heneor, Derby, England, and her mother Mary Moorfoot, born 31 March 1811, in Beverley, Yorkshire, England. Also have information on their seven (7) children, plus descendants in New Zealand and Australia.

Would be glad to provide additionainformation on request, including the inquest of James Cole(moss), and his life in New Zealand.

I live in the USA, (since 1959), but have made several trips back to NZ, to see family and do research. Would be glad to provide aditional information, or you could contact my first cousin, Brian Holden, who lives in Auckland, poppa@xtra.co.nz We have both been working on the tree for many years, and routinely exchange GEDCOM files, so we have the same information.

Mary Colemoss (Jane Maria's sister, m. William Kerin Foster.
Their daughter Frances (Fanny) Foster, married William John Reddy.
Their daughter, Mary Catherine Reddy, married Francis Henry McCormick, and this couple were my grandparents.

The Thames/Coromandel area is crawling with descendants, including, Foster, Louden, Geard, McCormick, Reddy, Holden and other surnames. As you drive north from Thames, various branches of the family lived in the small towns, including Matatoki, Puriri, Tararu, Whakatete Bay, Ngarimu Bay, Thornton's Bay, Tapu, Kereta, Coromandel, etc. Obviously, a lot of these branches can be very distant relatives.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

Alan McGuiness

Re: JAMES COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS

turbine176 — 2009-10-14 20:03:59Z

Hi, I am connected to Jane Maria Colemoss, she married Thomas Brown in 1860 here in NZ. Their son, James Albert married my great aunt Sarah Elizabeth Mitchell, sister to my grandmother, Agnes Mitchell.I have read Karens post and believe Jane may be the daughter of her James and Mary Colemoss.My email is turbine@orcon.net.nz Are we connected. Gina

Re: James COLEMOSS / COLE MOSS born circa 5th April 1806 at Heanor, Derby

turbine176 — 2009-10-14 19:55:56Z

Hi, I am connected to Jane Maria Colemoss,she married Thomas Brown in NZ in 1860. They were the parents of James Albert Brown, who married my great Aunt Sarah Elizabeth Mitchell. Could Jane be the daughter of your James and Mary. Jane was born 1844 in Tynemouth, Northimberland.Gina

Re: Street name help in Derby

rldriver — 2009-10-13 12:58:51Z

Thanks Denise for the reply. Molyneux is the street.

Richard Driver

Re: Street name help in Derby

onelayperson — 2009-10-13 10:05:25Z

You may like to consider the following site which will assist you in confirming the address.

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/

Historical Directories is a digital library of local and trade directories for England and Wales, from 1750 to 1919

regards this board Admin onelayperson

Re: Street name help in Derby

denisehathaway1 — 2009-10-12 14:53:35Z

Hi did you find the street you were looking for? I believe
that it could be Molyneux street Derby, Which is in the Peartree area of Derby. The Street still exists.

Denise Hathaway

Re: John Wragg of Matlock Derbyshire

peggysullivan114 — 2009-10-11 08:46:43Z

1871 census
Luke Wragg 30 Lab: b. Matlock
Hannah Wragg 31 "
Rebecca 8 b. Tansley
Edward 6 b. Ripley
John 4 b. Tupton Moor
Luke 1 b. Tansley

living Cliff. Matlock
RG 10/3631/f43/p34

John is still living with parents on 1881 and 1891 census

He marries Zillah Kirk Jun 1891 Belper 7b 923

She was staying with the Wragg family in 1891 census and was listed as a relative.