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Rbt WADE Essex UK America 1670s REPOST

aileen115w — 2009-11-29 23:23:43Z

ATTN: Originally posted to this board 11/25/09, was up but now gone on archives(?) Also separate post to Essex-uk mail list, also gone from archives. What happened? Was either of these posts seen by anyone? Thanks.

Seeking info re WADEs in Essex England in mid-late 1670s. As I am definitely a newbie on UK research, any advice would be very welcome on how to go about finding:

Marriage record for Robert/wife Lydia prior to 1675; probably Quaker, maybe not yet; no children.

Marriage record for his brother John/wife Frances ca 1690/prior; possible Quaker maybe not.
Children of John/Frances all b UK ca 1690s: Robert, Richard, James, Thomas, Charity; the family to America by 1702 Chester Co Pennsylvania where brother Robert/Lydia were Quakers.

A brother of Robert and John, Thomas, remained in England.

Possible baptismal records; court/parish records, etc., to ascertain their parentage.

Will/probate records of parents or brother Thomas for possible mention of the American relatives.

Replying to either Essex-UK mail list or Essex-UK message board is fine. Thank you in advance for any advice you can give me.

Aileen in Washington, USA
quickcrunch@aol.com

Re: BLACKWATER?

StevesHistory — 2009-11-28 18:06:25Z

There are, even today, quite a few families who live in boats on the Blackwater, though they would usually be expected to give their port as place of birth, but in a census it is up to the person completing the return, not an official.

So, any sailing/fishing connections?

Re: James DRURY from Sible Hedingham/Halstead Essex

lasweet1 — 2009-11-24 12:03:38Z

http://essex1841.com/search.php
maybe this will help.
Essex Marriages from Essex

town,fname1 ,sname1 , fname2, sname2, Parishes, Dates

1 Penfield Edw RAY Dorcas DRURY 1677
2 South Weald William Remmenton Ann Drury 16-Aug 1764
3 South Weald John Remington Elizabeth Drury 31-Jan 1765
4 Castle Hedingham Thomas DRURY Sarah FINCH Of This Parish Of This Parish 1794
5 Castle Hedingham James DRURY Alice FINCH Of This Parish Of This Parish 23-Dec 1797
6 Castle Hedingham John DRURY Rebecca FINCH Of This Parish Of This Parish 01-Dec 1799
7 Castle Hedingham George REDGWELL Mary DRURY Of This Parish Of This Parish 26-May 1803
8 Castle Hedingham Joseph DRURY Sarah EALGER Of This Parish Of This Parish 08-Jun 1813
9 Walthamsto John DRURY Ann HEWIT 1825
10 Castle Hedingham Daniel CLARK Sarah DRURY Of This Parish Of This Parish 15-May 1826
11 Castle Hedingham William DRURY Sarah SMITH Sible Hedingham Of This Parish 29-Dec 1831
12 Castle Hedingham Richard SPALDING Eliza DRURY Of This Parish Of This Parish 31-Oct 1831
13 Castle Hedingham John DRURY Mary Anne TAYLOR Of This Parish Of This Parish 31-May 1835
14 Castle Hedingham William DYSON Matilda DRURY Of This Parish Of This Parish 26-Jul 1835
15 Castle Hedingham John SMITH Sarah DRURY Castle Hedingham Nunnery Street 31-Oct 1837 Carpenter
16 Castle Hedingham John DRURY Elizabeth Hawkins RADLEY Castle Hedingham Castle Hedingham 22-Mar 1849 Carpenter
17 Castle Hedingham William DRURY Mary MITCHELL Castle Hedingham Castle Hedingham 01-Nov 1867 Labourer
18 Castle Hedingham William DRURY Maria EAREY Castle Hedingham Castle Hedingham 19-Jun 1868 Labourer
19 Castle Hedingham John DRURY Elizabeth SHELLEY Castle Hedingham Castle Hedingham 25-Dec 1868 Labourer
20 Castle Hedingham George DRURY Naomi SANDFORD Sible Hedingham Sible Hedingham 17-Jul 1896 Labourer

I am looking for William Henry born 1811 married to a Sarah Essex????

Harwich parish records look up

passiondale1 — 2009-11-24 11:45:35Z

Can anyone do a look up in the parish records for St Nicholas Harwich
I am after any information on Robert Rose born 1807+/-4 years (each census from 1851 gives a different birth year), he married Susannah Thorp sometime in 1830 I think, although I think he was born in Harwich it may be Warebury, dont know where that is. If I could find out any marriage details or even birth details for Robert showing his parents it would be appreciated. Also Robert was a Gunner on the Revenue Cruiser Scout in Harwich - trying to find any info on that and I cannot find him on the 1841 census although I can find Susannah
Regards Ray
Australia

Re: Freeman - Great Chesterford

JLteas_1 — 2009-11-24 01:17:17Z

Hello

Thanks for the message. I have finished researching this part of my family tree, but thanks for letting me know.
Lisa Teas

Re: Freeman - Great Chesterford

wongawallan — 2009-11-23 23:16:35Z

Hi Lisa I have info on Samuel Freeman through the later censuses
If your still checking this post email me at familgarbage@internode.on.net
Paul Wootton (Australia)

Re: John Burke LYNCH d1821, surgeon, and son Nathaniel

ccarpenter93 — 2009-11-23 19:07:59Z

I am a descendant of Nathaniel's youngest brother THOMAS TOKE LYNCH, a pastor who became famous for his book The Rivulet. My branch of the Lynches now lives in France except for me. I live in Brighton in the UK.
I am researching the link between Galway where our ancestors come from and the Lynches of Antigua. Nathaliel's father was John Burke Lynch who married Lydia Daniel in 1803. Nathaniel's and Thomas Toke grandfather was THOMAS LYNCH the surgeon who married first Sarah Rice then Euphemia, daughter of Gilbert. I want to know who were the parents of THOMAS LYNCH... Can you help??

Re: PRIOR / PRYOR baptism in Writtle, Essex

iant148 — 2009-11-22 10:40:43Z

I have been researching my ancestors in Writtle and have been in contact with another member of the Dines family, John. We both go back to John Dines b c1733 and Catherine Prior/ Pryer b c1732 married 10 Oct 1754 in Writtle. John managed to go one further back than me to John Dines of Ingatestone who married an Elizabeth Rolfe in Great Baddow. Neither of us can find a baptism record for John or Catherine. In fact I had intended to go over to the Chelmsford record centre before Christmas to see if the original parish records for Ingatestone throw any light. However the last time I was there I didn't find anything new but I spent the time looking for another relative from Writtle, whom a lady from Canada and I have been trying to track down for a year or so.
I only do this research intermittently and am not normally a member of Ancestry.co.uk so perhaps if you would like to share notes, you could contact me on iant@mailbox.co.uk rather than through a board?

Re: WILLIS, George.

bigskye4me — 2009-11-20 04:16:37Z

I do not have any information about Arthur Willis, but I have some information about George Willis, (Arthur's father).
George Willis is my great grandfather's brother.

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

braishert — 2009-11-20 00:38:52Z

Thanks for that. I've been reciting Duddinghurst in my head - I think if you imagine a strong accent and a lazy tongue you get to something approaching Dudness quite easily! (Thanks for the idea, Steve).

Hmm, that servant may well be my girl. However as there are quite a few Roasts, Roosts, Rusts and variants around, and not enough info on birthplace in the 41 census to be useful in telling them apart, it doesn't advance me any.

It has just given me an idea though - I have her father's name from her marriage certificate, but haven't found him either. Maybe she left home early because he died (as I have found happened in other branches of the family tree). I'll see what death and burial records are around for Doddinghurst. Thanks for leading me to that thought!

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

keldon12318 — 2009-11-19 10:39:27Z

I would guess that it was Doddinghurst. South Weald parish is next to Doddinghurst. In 1901 I have no doubt Dodenhurst is meant to be Doddinghurst. Where Dodness comes from I'm not sure. There's no mention of it on the British Library's 19th century newspapers, and nothing on Seax at the ERO.

There's an Elizabeth Roast aged 14 in Barking as a servant.
Class: HO107; Piece 323; Book: 5;
Perhaps she left home early?

Good luck in your endeavors.

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

braishert — 2009-11-18 23:44:06Z

Here are Elizabeth's census references (sorry if this is too much information!):

1851 South Weald (Class: HO107; Piece: 1513; Folio: 440; Page: 21; GSU roll: 87847.)

1871: Dudness (incorrectly transcribed as Sandness) Class: RG10; Piece: 186; Folio: 46; Page: 2; GSU roll: 823309.

1881: Dudness (Class: RG11; Piece: 169; Folio: 54; Page: 10;GSU roll: 1341037.)

1901: Dodenhurst (Class: RG13; Piece: 4; Folio: 46; Page: 83.)

And here is another independent reference to Dudness in the 1851 census:
Source: FHL Film 1341407 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1704 Folio 112
Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Henry POOLE M 54 M Dudness, Essex, England
Rel: Head Occ: Sawyer Timber

Thanks for your interest and help, everyone!

I'm tending to think it is a real name (or nickname) for a place that we now know as something else. Like So'ton for Southampton. I wondered about Doddinghurst myself, as it is quite close to South Weald, and also the best match for Dodenhurst. But I hadn't come across Dunton, so that is another possibility.

I tried to get a parish look up for Doddinghurst but the OPC doesn't have records back that far, so I'll have to wait for SEAX to get a bit further on with their scanning, or wait til I get a chance to visit (could be a while, I'm in NZ!).

Would love to know your opinions once you've seen the census records.

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

keldon12318 — 2009-11-18 16:48:16Z

You see from my A to Z list there's no Dudness, but there is South Weald. It's now part of the town of Brentwood.
http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/directory.html

You've already been given some good suggestions as to what Dudness could be. Obviously there's a problem with accents or handwriting between her and the enumerator.

Have you the census reference? I intrigued by this...

Keldon
http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/

Re: BLACKWATER?

keldon12318 — 2009-11-18 16:40:29Z

As you quite rightly say, there is no location known as Blackwater apart from the river and estuary.
These are the towns and parishes that come under Witham for BDM registration.
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/witham.html

Do your ancestors appear on the census? let me have the details and I'll see if I can help.

Keldon
http://www.historyhouse.co.uk

BLACKWATER?

carolinedavis007 — 2009-11-15 21:05:34Z

In the censuses I have ancestors recording Blackwater as the place of birth. When I look for information on Blackwater, I am not finding any village by that name... only the river. The registration district for the birth was Witham.

Can somebody please give me an idea where I can look to get information on "Blackwater" from which my relatives originated. I like to include a description of each village/town etc. not just names and dates.

Thanks

Re: TOPSFIELD b. abt 1800 , Essex, UK

GailPas — 2009-11-13 01:19:53Z

Hi Kim. I am doing some research for a friend who is descended from Elijah Greenleaf TOPSFIELD via his daughter Elizabeth marrying into the BLACKBURN family. Would be happy to hear from you with any information. Thankyou, Gail

pascoe @ southwest . com . au

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

rickcowey54 — 2009-11-11 16:01:45Z

Thanks again

What a pity it doesnt have a date.

Its such a pity that IGI didnt transcribe much in the way of Essex registers.

Re: TAYLOR,EVANS,WILLMORE

dduuttcchh44 — 2009-11-10 21:15:03Z

I have some information on descendents of James Edward Evans..........my wife is one of them. I also have information on ancesters of Isabella Mary Cammegh. Would you like me to send it?

Do you have any informnation on James' ancestors?

Best wishes

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

crusoe123 — 2009-11-10 17:11:28Z

I think this death MAY be of interest to you, but unfortunately, the dates are obliterated, and have not been transcribed. I have searched on Find My Past, who have births marriages and deaths, but there are no births or marriages for Essex, only deaths.

Parish Records Collection - burial
Year: ?

Year num: 0

Forenames: Susannah

Surname: Cowey

Place: Great Oakley

Description: All Saints

Denomination: Anglican

County: Essex

Country: England

MI ref: 221h

Notes:

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

rickcowey54 — 2009-11-10 16:39:38Z

Thanks for the info

Having spoken to several people who hail from Great Oakley they always just say Oakley I found this common with locals that lived in villages with long names.

I was already aware of the early images but looking for a lookup of around 1829 give or take a year or two. IGI in Singapore is a lost cause because of their restrictive hours.

I actually now believe that John Cowey's parents were not from Great Oakley but from Fordham west of Colchester.

This deemed by his 2 sisters born before him showed Fordham and Mary his mother also showed Fordham in the census returns.

I have sent a request to a fellow RAOGK researcher to do a lookup at the records office so hopefully will find their marriage.

Rick

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

Pete_Smee — 2009-11-10 16:12:57Z

There is no such place as Oakley, only Little Oakley and Great Oakley

SEAX
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/displayParishContents.asp
has images of the parish registers online for
St. Mary The Virgin, Little Oakley 1558-c1680
All Saints, Great Oakley 1559-c1766

So you really need to get back one generation at IGI Sorry!

Re: Chinnery

ttalppi — 2009-11-10 00:39:31Z

Sharon
Do you have an up-to-date email address for Vivienne Garforth as one you quote is not current.
Peter

Re: Chinnery

ttalppi — 2009-11-09 22:42:41Z

My name is Peter. My mother's family name is Chinery. I have some details on our Chinery line back to a Thomas Chinery who married a Mary Wright on 11.03.1777. I have not been able to get any further back. All the line is in England but my grandfather took his wife and first 3 children to NZ then Aus before returning to England and enlisting for WWI in 1916. I am new to genealogy so what I have to date is sketchy. I have not a clue whether my line is linked but I would be pleased to pass on what I have. Similarly, any info that would take me further back would be well received.
Regards, Peter Platt.

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

rickcowey54 — 2009-11-09 16:15:34Z

Many thanks for finding the deaths of John and Maria.

As stated previously their son John was bn c1829 in Oakley as well. He is my 3xgrandfather.

Also of note I believe John 1807 had a sister Susannah c1810 or she was the wife of John's brother and their parents were John Cowey and Mary ??? both bn c 1780 both John and Mary appeared in the census of 1841 and 1851 but still to find their deaths and marriage and any other children.

Anything you find is greatly appreciated

Rick

Do you know if there are records going back to mid 1700's to early 1800's for Oakley.

I live in Singapore and it does have an IGI centre but only open for research 2 hrs a week during the week and not able to attend so makes it hard to do any research from here.

Re: Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

crusoe123 — 2009-11-09 14:35:10Z

cannot find the marriage at the moment, but John and Maria both died in 1892, and are buried at Great Oakley All Saints.

First name(s): John
Last name: COWEY
Date of burial: 16 Oct 1892
Age at death: 85
Calculated year of birth: 1807
Place of burial: Great Oakley
Dedication: All Saints

First name(s): Maria
Last name: COWEY
Date of burial: 21 Jan 1892
Age at death: 84
Calculated year of birth: 1808
Place of burial: Great Oakley
Dedication: All Saints
County: Essex

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

derek251 — 2009-11-08 22:39:54Z

Hi,

I had a look at the map index and couldn't find a Dudness, there is a Dunton quite close to South Weald but Doddinghurst seems a better possibility. The map I checked is of a scale of 1 inch = 2 miles, although the attached index gives the location as B4 Dunton is not there. To find Dunton I had to use Mapquest, Dunton appears as just a spot on that map.

On Google Maps I found a Dunton Wayletts on Dunton Road just north of the A127 (Southend Arterial Road.
Dunton Road branches south off Billericay Road then after passing Dunton Wayletts and going under? the A127 it eventually becomes Lower Dunton Road. Just off to the right of Lower Dunton Road is a spot called Dunton Plotlands, doesn't appear to be anything there though.

By the way there is also a Shoeburyness in Essex. a tad east of Southend.

Regards

Re: Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

StevesHistory — 2009-11-08 13:50:07Z

Well looking through GenUKI http://www.nivek-systems.co.uk/genuki/ESS/Towns/index.html the only ...ness places I can see in Essex are Wrabness and Foulness and there are no Dud... place names.

The only other thought is that she came from Doddinghurst and had such a strange accent, or speech impediment, that it came out as Dudness. And I have heard some strange place names from my mother in law who was old Essex country.

Perhaps joining the GenUKI Essex mailing list and posting there might get a better response?

Best of luck
Steve

Elizabeth Roast of Dudness, Essex

braishert — 2009-11-08 11:32:49Z

Hi. My ancestor is Elizabeth Roast(b 1827, m James Denton 1850), clearly described on two census entries as born in Dudness, Essex, and in another as from South Weald.

I can't find any such place. Others have suggested Dungeness to me, in Kent but that doesn't really fit - and there are no other Roasts in Kent.

Anyone know where it could be?

Re: Clark Family, Southend on Sea

janwatts15 — 2009-11-07 05:58:41Z

I have a cousin Sidney Clark in my family tree, born 1901-1902 in Southchurch, Essex. His parents were James & Minnie (nee Dean) Clark. I don't have any wife or children for him. Do you think this is a connection?

Jan

Great Oakley Essex - Cowey

rickcowey — 2009-11-06 14:11:58Z

I am looking for a marriage between a John Cowey and Maria ???? sometime before 1841.

They had a son John bn 1829 and several other children after this date.

John and Maria both showed they were natives of Great Oakley in every Census up to 1891 so presume they would have married there.

I have not found a Parish Online register for Essex or any records on line for Great Oakley in IGI.

If possible would someone be able to check the records office for this marriage.

Regards

Rick

Re: saich family. redgewell family.

onogiles — 2009-11-05 17:07:58Z

Hello Harry.
No sorry have not got back any further. Every time I try to do my own family some one wants me to research for them.

Hope I have this right.
George John Saich married Charlotte Thorogood in 1939 Sept. qtr. Dunmow Essex.

Do you have the marriage cert. This will show His father.

have you noticed on 1841 census after son Georges name there is a Susannah Thorogood aged 5 aged hard to read so could be a mistake

possibly born before they married. Do you know was she Charlottes daughter. just wondered why she is marked as a Thorogood.

My side of the family come down to Blanche M Saich daughter of George and Rebecca
Blanche married William Thomas McPherson. They lived in London then Cambridge.
Are you connected to Blanche and the New Market family.
Look forward to hearing from you Edwina

Re: saich family. redgewell family.

onogiles — 2009-11-05 17:04:53Z

Re: Msrriage Lookup Takely @1837

avidt1 — 2009-11-05 16:34:48Z

Hi Denis

Thanks for your help
Regards

David

Re: Msrriage Lookup Takely @1837

DeniseLind75 — 2009-11-05 12:17:52Z

Hi If you look at this website they have a lot of the Takeley parish records on it
Regards Denise

holytrinitytakeley.moonfruit.com

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

derf2fred — 2009-11-04 21:31:24Z

Hello Ken,

Thanks. Email on its way.

Regards,

Fred

Re: WHEATE Sisters. Help with Essex marriage please

joanpdewar — 2009-11-04 20:23:50Z

Have you tried finding him on a cencus, that could possible help.

Re: CRIPPS/BIRD/REVETT families in Essex, England

maggiethwaites — 2009-11-03 19:19:00Z

Hello, my GGrandmother was Elleanor Revitt( various spellings have included Rivitt Rivett and possibly Revell in the 1851 census. Born abt. 1850 Ipswich Suffolk she married Henry Nattrass and died in Barking Essex, England. Some breakthrough particularly in determining the correct name would be great. Regards, Maggie

Re: Upson Booker change to Upson ?

Susan2670 — 2009-11-03 09:34:18Z

Is this him?
Birth
John Upson Booker
Year 1884 Qtr Jun Dist: Scarbro' Vol 9d Pg 386a

1901 census RG13/4280 Folio 125
John S Barrott Head 42 b Sheffield, Yorkshire...Coal miner, hewer
Hannah Barrott Wife 28 b Ganton, Yorkshire
Charles Barrott Son 8 b Normanton, Yorkshire
Richard Barrott Son 5 b Normanton, Yorkshire
Walter H Barrott Son 2 b Normanton, Yorkshire
Mary Barrott Dau 2 months b Normanton, Yorkshire
John Upton Booker Brother-in-law 16 b Seaborough, Yorkshire...Coal miner, hewer
13 Crowther St, Normanton, Yorkshire

Sue

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

nativeinstinct1 — 2009-11-03 03:13:52Z

you can get in touch with me through my web site google search native plants online au (plants). sorry dont beleive in paying if so ill just keep diging if your not interested
ken
bermagui australia

Re: 2 Thatched Cottage, The Naze, Walton-on-Naze

kryten1sun — 2009-11-03 01:17:07Z

Thank you for the information.

I will send an email as your suggestion.

Re: WRIGHT/DELLOW Essex

sbuchanan158 — 2009-11-02 23:42:42Z

Hello Carol In my family tree i have Susan Dellow @ Alfred West and all there children even your John West his wife @ 3 children.i have the dellow fami;ly going back to Matthew Dellow born Abt 1590 Essex England.

Regards
Helena Hay

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

derf2fred — 2009-11-02 21:17:56Z

Hello Ken,

When I click on 'Contact' link I get "Choose a membership to get started:" because I have no current membership and don't intend giving my card details out. So, I think we are stuck because it's not wise putting an email address in a post.

Regards,

Fred

Re: Upson Booker change to Upson ?

lorrriccio — 2009-11-02 20:00:48Z

At some point between 1800 and 1890 part of the family dropped the "Booker" and became just "Upson"....

Re: Upson Booker change to Upson ?

Susan2670 — 2009-11-02 19:39:04Z

You don't give any dates...

Birth
John Upson Booker
Year 1884 Qtr Jun Dist: Scarbro' Vol 9d Pg 386a

Sue

Upson Booker change to Upson ?

lorrriccio — 2009-11-02 16:53:43Z

From information from my grandfather, the Upson Bookers were tinkers. I know they spent a lot of time in Eckington, Derbyshire, which is very close to Sheffield, Yorkshire.
Family legend says that John Upson Booker was responsible for the death of a gamekeeper and had to "disappear" to Wales for a while, then came back ot Yorkshire as an Upson, but we haven't found anything to substantiate this. Nor do we have a timeframe.
What we do know is that the family for a while was known as Upson Booker, then reverted back to Upson.
Does anyone have any leads for us???
Thanks
Lorraine

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

nativeinstinct1 — 2009-11-02 11:10:40Z

hi fred can we use email any info would be great as there arent many people researching salmons not at least in oz

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

derf2fred — 2009-11-01 21:45:20Z

Hello Ken,

Thanks for your reply. My connection is through a brother of my great grandfather who married a SALMON. I have been given a lot of info on the family by a descendant who lives in Australia. A few things still puzzle me though so I hope you may be able to help. Possibly, I can be of help to you too.

Regards,

Fred

Ellen and Alec Mobbs

lorrriccio — 2009-11-01 21:28:12Z

Does anyone know where Ellen spent the years in WWI? Alec appears to have enlisted with the New Zealand infantry, but I am trying to figure out what she did during those years?

Re: Benjamin Grist SALMON b. 1 Jun 1822 Great Oakley

nativeinstinct1 — 2009-11-01 03:20:35Z

hi fred my wife is a salmon. they still carry the grist on the male side my brotherin law is william grist salmon
so we need to talk more.
ken

Re: Giffords of Thorpe-le-Soken

thesaunders146 — 2009-11-01 03:11:59Z

Actually, you would be a cousin of my wife. I do have some information on the Giffords, but I have not been able to track down all Horace's children. There were 13 of them and I have information on 7. My m-i-l never knew all her siblings. She was the youngest and at least one had immigrated to Australia before she was born.

What information are you looking for and how can I get it to you?

Jim