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Re: Elsie Coughlan, dressmaker, 1901 census

1877Martyn — 2009-11-23 21:21:51Z

I agree, they do. But they usually occur in the same town. In different countries?

Re: Looking for Holder and Russell family

hkenneally259 — 2009-11-23 08:11:41Z

Hi

I know what you mean, I've left it a while and can't understand my notes now! Since your message I have been in contact and met another cousin of ours Patricia. Francis Russell (the 2nd) married a John Stock and Patricia Cox is on that line so we share all share the same Great Grandparents. I really enjoyed meeting her and she kindly gave me a copy of a photo of our great grandfather John Holder born 1802/3 wearing breeches and a magnificent top hat! If this would be any interest to you then let met know. A first cousin of mine also recalls her Mother Sarah Fanny Elizabeth Holder writing toa relation in Canada so could that be a member of your family?
Would like to have any information that you have

Regards
Helen

Kind regards
Helen

Re: Joseph JEWELL circa 1781 in Bristol

carolinedavis007 — 2009-11-21 14:16:59Z

Thanks for your response. However, as these children's baptisms were taken from the parish registers, I believe them to be more accurate than the IGI.

My query was not so much about the children as it was about his parents. Since he was not baptised in Pin N Jay he does not show on those parish records. Without knowing his parish, I do not know where to look for his ancestry.

Again, thanks for taking the time to answer.

Cheers, Caroline

Re: Joseph JEWELL circa 1781 in Bristol

Ovener — 2009-11-21 12:50:33Z

Erratum

Helen 1822 Batch C044405

O

Re: Joseph JEWELL circa 1781 in Bristol

Ovener — 2009-11-21 12:30:40Z

Caroline,

I suppose it's because I worked in quality assurance so always checked provenance of whatever that I checked the info. you gave:-

James Neal 1802, - not found
Eliza 1804, - batch C017186
Edward Colston 1806 - not found
William 1809 - not found
Charles 1810 - not found
Mary Ann 1812 - not found
Emma 1813 - not found
Ann 1716 - batch C042275 - date 1816
Edwin 1818 - batch C042275
Sarah 1820 - batch C043006
Helen 1822 - batch C04405
Joseph NEALE 1823 - not found

The batches are allegedly extracted but I do not think the LDS double extraction procedure was used so they might be inaccurate. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis... and http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/FindingBatchNos.html

The LDS has not filmed the St P & J marriage records so you should search the Bristol RO's on line catalogue to find out if they have the marriage register.

Regards

O

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

rosrhi — 2009-11-21 12:21:53Z

ok will try that link. thanks a lot for your suggestions.

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

rosrhi — 2009-11-21 11:33:17Z

Hiya, dont think this is our john lee or elizabeth lee. dont know the name of the lady john lee married. it was believed elizabeth (his daughter) was an only child but not sure. Elizabeth went on to marry Richard Hutchinson. Both John Lee and elizabeth and her husband were hawkers. so if your ancestry comes from hawkers it may be a possibility.

Joseph JEWELL circa 1781 in Bristol

carolinedavis007 — 2009-11-21 01:39:29Z

Would SKS please help me in identifying his parents. He married Sarah NEALE 15 Jan 1801 in Bristol St. Phillip and St Jacob.

Children of that union include;
James Neal 1802,
Eliza 1804,
Edward Colston 1806
William 1809
Charles 1810
Mary Ann 1812
Emma 1813
Ann 1716
Edwin 1818
Sarah 1820
Helen 1822
Joseph NEALE 1823

I would imagine there is a connection to the Colston family?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

Ovener — 2009-11-20 19:00:48Z

As a last resort - at least as far as I can help - go to http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/ there might be some help I suppose.

O

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

rosrhi — 2009-11-20 15:57:44Z

yeah unfortunately only know eliz fathers name was john. dont know what his wife was called or where/when married. think ive hit a wall. no living relatives to ask either. they were travelling hawkers so dont think i will be able to track them down.

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

Ovener — 2009-11-20 11:56:59Z

Have a read at http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/

Without the m-cert of Elizabeth's parents you are on very shaky ground. Pity you did not say where they were married but there's plenty of choices nationwide. See freembd for info to enable m-cert purchase.

Having the name Lee perhaps they were Romanies in which case I think you've little chance of success.

O

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

rosrhi — 2009-11-20 11:37:02Z

hiya,

yeah already tried this and sent for some possible birth certificates but alas to no avail. thanks though.

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

Ovener — 2009-11-19 16:32:26Z

Please do not shout in upper case if you've already tried it, but have you searched at Freebmd - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Regards

O

Thomas J S BELL m Harriet BARNES Clifton 1873

2009-11-19 16:20:10Z

My great great grandfather (Thomas) James Sylvanus BELL was born in Batheaston on 17/12/1843 to James and Arabella (nee BRIMSON). James BELL was born in Keynsham Somerset in 1804, while Arabella BRIMSON was born in Batheaston in 1813. Does anyone have any further information on these BELLs or BRIMSONs?

On 07/09/1873, Thomas James Sylvanus BELL married Harriet BARNES at St Jude's Church of England, Clifton. Harriet was born 06/01/1853 in Stroud and lived most of her early life in Bristol. She was the daughter of William BARNES and Miriam BENNETT (no further information known).

Prior to emigrating to Australia aboard the steamship "Goalpara" on 07/11/1883 (arriving in Moreton Bay Queensland on 01/01/1884), the couple had five daughters - Christiana (born 1874), Maud (born 1875), Annie (born 1877), Mabel (born 1878, died 1880) and Millanda (known as Melinda, born 1881). The family history from their arrival in Australia is quite well-documented but I am keen to know if anyone has any information relating to the family origins in Gloustershire. Thanks in advance.

Guy family of Gloucestershire

2009-11-19 16:17:15Z

Are you researching any one from the Guy family of Gloucestershire? Our family has a Francis Guy marrying a Sarah Gazzard. They migrated to Sydney, Australia before 1839.

William SMART m Mary Elizabeth WREFORD Bath/Bristol abt 1820's

2009-11-19 16:12:40Z

Having all sorts of trouble locating family connected to my SMARTS of Gloucestershire, England.
William SMART probably married to Mary Elizabeth WREFORD in either Bath or Bristol areas.
Two sons, Issachar Vickery SMART and Hermon Wreford SMART were christened in 1827 at St. Philips and Jacob's Church, Bristol. Also christened on the same day were two girls to Edward and Sarah SMART. Possible rellies?
Any connections anywhere?

William Andrews - Ann Bartlett 18-19C

2009-11-19 16:06:56Z

Joseph Andrews b. 1806 in Whitminster d. in Eastington, Glouchester, son of William Andrews and Ann Bartlett, m. Hanna Miles b. 1806, Eastington, Glouchester. Joseph and Hanna had at least one daughter Hannah Andrews b. 1843 who married . Hannah Andrews m. Edwin Daw b. 1841 in Frampton- on-Severn, Glouchester.Would like information on any other members of these families and also the parents of William Andrews, Ann Barlett. Also, connected to these people are James Daw b. 1733, Mary Smart, Susannah Guy, Mary Blampton. Any information of any of these families would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Elizabeth LEE b Coleford area abt 1853

redmickaisback — 2009-11-19 13:50:21Z

Hi,

I am a Lee researching my family back to 1816 so far. John Lee is the furthest i have gone back and he was married to Maria Smith. They had a son called Levi Lee, this maybe Elizabeth's brother? If any of that fits you will be helping me as Levi is the only offspring i know of for John and its highly unlikely in those days to have had just one child. They lived in Stroud. Please let me know.
Regards
Michael Lee

Re: John Merchant b Winstone 1819

chrishiggins52 — 2009-11-19 12:00:19Z

Many thanks Chris H

Re: Absent Voters List 1918/19, Bristol.

Ovener — 2009-11-19 10:08:49Z

AS

Have you Googled for it?

O

Re: William Andrews - Ann Bartlett

deborahdavy — 2009-11-18 20:38:48Z

hi i have information on some of the above people ..guy, blampton and daw ...let me know if you still interested ..thanks deb

Absent Voters List 1918/19, Bristol.

JossSharp1 — 2009-11-18 19:15:50Z

Does anyone have access to the Absent Voters List 1918/19 for the Bristol area. Looking for as much info as possible on Charles Sharp, 3 Glenburn Road, Two Mile Hill, Kingswood, Bristol.(Wife was Elsie Kate Sharp)

Thanks in advance

AS

Re: any help appreciated!

bolty641 — 2009-11-18 00:15:53Z

James Bell Baptised Keynsham 23/05/1802, parents listed on Baptism Cert as James and Christian.

James Bell ( 1802 )married Arabella Brunson ( 1812 Batheaston )I am in the process of developing their Marriage Cert.

I am aware Of TJS Bell and a brother George Hunter Bell 1839 Batheaston. There are other children from James and Arabella can invite you to view my tree on ancestry, be interesting to communicate on this topic

regards

Andy Bolton

(Sarah?) Elizabeth GURNEY (Mrs Joseph FRY) b Bristol abt 1808

numbers12 — 2009-11-17 16:28:22Z

I'm looking for any information about an Elizabeth Fry, or possibly Sarah Elizabeth Fry, born in Bristol abt 1808 from all the census entries. My husband's family have letters from the 1870's to her from Bristol relatives, and there are memories of food and clothing parcels being sent to her from the family - the story is that she married 'beneath her' and that she was related to Elizabeth Gurney Fry. She married a James Kay in 1828 in Sunderland and the daughter who is the direct ancestor is Jane Cooper Kay, born in 1841 in Sunderland. James Kay was a shipwright, and signed his name with a mark on Jane Cooper Kay's birth cert. The eldest daughter Mary Ann was born in Windsor 1833, the eldest son John born outside County Durham abt 1827(1841 census only for him so far) and the family were then settled in Bishopwearmouth, Durham. Other known children Elizabeth 1837, Rebecca 1844
I couldn't find a marriage for Elizabeth Fry and James Kay on familysearch.org, although there was a marriage on another tree for individuals of this name in Sunderland in 1828 but it was unsourced. There is a marriage on familysearch.org for a Sarah Elizabeth Fry and James KEYES in Westminster in 1824, but the surname of James was definitely Kay.

I've now confirmed from Jane Cooper Kay's birth certificate that her mother was Elizabeth Kay. Elizabeth is the name she used on all this and the census entries except the one after she was widowed - then she gave her name as Sarah E Kay. Interestingly the family 'story' is that she was Sarah Elizabeth Kay or Keyes. (birth years from census's are 1808 x2, 1810, 1798 (think this is an error - matches her older husband's birth year) All places of birth given are Bristol.

Does anyone either know about this person, or know about all the relatives of Joseph Fry and the other 'chocolate' Frys and can help me find what the connection is.

Re: Relative of Joseph FRY, husband of Elizabeth GURNEY b Bristol abt 1808

eddie71 — 2009-11-17 16:27:14Z

Hi

I have had a look at Bristol baptism register 1754 to 1812

and found one Elizabeth Fry 1808

Elizabeth Fry
24/7/1808
parents William and Sarah
St George GLS

I had a look at the nonconformist baptisms 1754 to 1837 lots of Frys but no match for Elizabeth

Shelagh

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

bmccartie — 2009-11-14 15:51:53Z

the names are in and around gloucestershire my family was holder,s from taynton,forest dean and surrounding villiages please email me and i will send you a map.brenda xbrendamccartie@btinternet.com

Re: Hatton connections

bmccartie — 2009-11-14 15:47:07Z

please email me i have hatton in my tree,holders of forest of dean and taynton gloucestershire.brendamccartie@btinternet,com

Re: Free on Line Database - Gloucestershire

Ovener — 2009-11-14 07:21:29Z

Stephen,

Great thanks to you and all concerned.

I trust you will post a message on the forum at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,14.0.html

Regards

O

Free on Line Database - Gloucestershire

stephenoxlade — 2009-11-13 21:44:50Z

The Soldiers of Gloucestershire Museum (SOGM) is pleased to announce that following eighteen months of hard work by our staff and a devoted band of volunteers, the content our web site http://www.glosters.org.uk/ has been very significantly upgraded:

- The online collection of the Gloucestershire Regiment has been updated with approximately 5,000 new records and about 1,800 new photographs, and the Royal Gloucestershire Hussars by a further 300 new records and about 150 new photographs.

- New, much higher quality images have also been added to most items, both new and existing and all such images are now available for download in an improved form.

- Most item descriptions have also been rewritten and extended to aid readability. Additionally we have improved our technology to make the collections more easily searchable, e.g. where we have the names of individuals in group photographs, all these names can now be searched for.

The SOGM museum web site is leading the field with its web technology which covers on line databases of all its collections and of soldiers who served which the regiments in the 19th century and in World War I. There is also an on line exhibition capability and a featured item from the museum collections which change regularly. So, if you haven’t done so for a while, please do visit the site and have a look.

We are soon to start work on the next web release and would welcome your feedback and requests as to what else you would like to see on the site. Please reply to this post with any comments you may have.

Re: William LAMMAS of Hartfold or Hartfield? 1800's

sonia1864 — 2009-11-13 00:20:24Z

'H' Parishes:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Parishes.html#H

Only ones remotely similar might be Haresfield or Hasfield?

Doesn't seem to be a likely one beginning with 'M', which can sometimes be confused with an 'H'.

Sonia

Re: William LAMMAS of Hartfold or Hartfield? 1800's

CJB8201 — 2009-11-12 18:25:20Z

Thanks for replying. I have Phillimores Parish Atlas and cant find a similar name. I hadnt heard of the prog you suggested and will look into it

Thanks again
Chrsi

Re: HARTFOLD/HARTFIELD GLOUCS

CJB8201 — 2009-11-12 18:23:18Z

Hi Sandra

William Lammas (transcribed as Lamnas) 1851 census b 1786 living in Bromley St Leonard, Middx
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1555; Folio: 431; Page: 15; GSU roll: 174787. He is Wdw living with son George. Census place is v. unclear. have checked Phillimores parish atlas for Gloucs and theres nothing like the name. Would love your opinion.

thanks Chris

Re: James CLOSE, b 1863 Stapleton

Vivian_Simmonds — 2009-11-11 19:35:46Z

Thank you so much for finding this. You are probably correct in thinking Eliza was banished and had to deliver her baby in the workhouse. It is possible that she had to leave him as he is not shown in any census as living with her.

Best wishes.

Vivian

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

Vivian_Simmonds — 2009-11-11 19:31:17Z

Thanks again Sandra. Will put all these little snippets together and hopefully will track down Eliza.

Best wishes.

Vivian

Re: James CLOSE, b 1863 Stapleton

Ovener — 2009-11-11 13:02:59Z

Vivian,

If you search at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl you will find an Eliza birth registration at Clifton.

Perchance her parents threw her into the street and into the workhouse when expecting her child James. Shades of Oliver Twist?

Regards

O

Re: William LAMMAS of Hartfold or Hartfield? 1800's

Ovener — 2009-11-11 12:48:05Z

You asked "Is there such a place?"

You really do need the free prog Parloc (Parish Locator)from http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/parlocdl.html you will not regret it.

O

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

Merice46 — 2009-11-11 11:55:59Z

Hi,
1841 census for Westbury on Trym Gloucestershire

HO107 Piece 359 Fol 25 Page 5

Mary Close 40 Ind. Yes
Ann 10 YES

Regards

Sandra

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

Merice46 — 2009-11-11 11:55:42Z

Hi,
I wonder if this is any help,might be worth investigating?

1851 census for Westbury on Trym Gloucestershire

Piece1955 Fol 79 Page 8

William Higgs 23 mason born Bristol
Ann 21 born Westbury
Charlotte Ann 2 months born Westbury
Mary Close wid.lodger 59 washerwoman born Clifton Gloucestershire
Eliza Close 23 dau of above laundress born Westbury

Marriage

William Higgs - Ann Close

Clifton 11 373 Jun.Qtr 1850

Regards

Sandra

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

Vivian_Simmonds — 2009-11-11 11:55:24Z

Thanks Michael. I have not found a suitable Eliza Close in any census either although of course she could have married after the birth of James. She remains a mystery. The birth you have found could certainly be her as far as age and area are concerned.

Best wishes.

Vivian

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

michaeldavies45 — 2009-11-11 11:55:11Z

There is a birth record of an Eliza Close in Clifton in 1846
but I have not been able to find her in any census.

James CLOSE, b 1863 Stapleton

Vivian_Simmonds — 2009-11-11 11:54:57Z

I have the birth certificate for James Close, illegitimate son of Eliza Close, born 1863 in Clifton Union House, Stapleton. James is living as a boarder with a family in the 1871 census (I can find no connection to this family) and I wonder if there are any records held of Clifton Union House which might give me some information about Eliza. I have no idea who she is, or where she came from, and it has brought this line to an abrupt halt.

Any help with tracing Eliza would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

Vivian

Re: JAMES CLOSE, Stapleton

Vivian_Simmonds — 2009-11-11 09:16:06Z

Hi Sandra

This looks quite promising. Thank you so much for your help.

Vivian

William LAMMAS of Hartfold or Hartfield? 1800's

CJB8201 — 2009-11-10 17:25:48Z

I am researching the Lammas family of Stratford, Essex, and have found a William Lammas in Bromley Middx in the 1851 census. His birth place is not clear due to corrections but it looks like Hartfield or Hartfold, Gloucs. Is there such a place?

Re: HARTFOLD/HARTFIELD GLOUCS

Merice46 — 2009-11-10 16:33:09Z

Hi,
Bit more info needed so we can have a look at the census.
c year of birth? is he married,or a widower,has he any children?

Regards

Sandra

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

brendamccartie1 — 2009-11-10 10:49:51Z

east dean is in gloucesters please email me.i have holders diary and there is humphries in it.
brendamccartie@btinternet.com

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

AdrianGreen80 — 2009-11-09 19:26:33Z

Thanks for this suggestion - I'll check it out!

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

Ovener — 2009-11-09 07:55:59Z

P.S.

Do a search for Gibraltar.

O

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

Ovener — 2009-11-09 07:46:16Z

??,

You might find help at http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

O

Re: Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

crusoe123 — 2009-11-09 00:25:25Z

Have a look at the site for Blakeney Hill limestone mine. It shows (Gibralter) in brackets.

aditnow.co.uk

Blakeney Hill (Gibralter) Limestone Mine (United Kingdom)

Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) living in East Dean 1851

AdrianGreen80 — 2009-11-08 22:09:12Z

I am trying to find out some information about Ann HUMPHRIS (or HUMPHRIES) who is on the 1851 Census as living in East Dean with her 3 children, Edward, Mary Ann and Elizabeth.

Ann was born in Somerset, but the children born variously in Awre and Westbury. Intriguingly, her occupation is shown as ‘receiving pay from the father of her children’ but no father is shown on Mary Ann’s birth certificate.

The ‘Name of Street Place or Road’ shown on the census looks like ‘Gibraltar’ – I believe this might in some way be related to the Blakeney Hill Stone mine, but can anyone tell me any more about the area or recommend any source of information I can refer to?