Dear Sue,

May I take you up on your kind offer to check the following queries at the Hertford CRO

The birth / baptism of William IVES about 1766
From the IGI 17/4/1797 the marriage of William IVES & Rose RENCH in Little Mundon
The death / burial of William IVES, in the 1841 Census he was aged 65 years living in Great Mundon but dead by 1851

From the IGI the baptism of their children in Little Mundon

Sarah IVES 26/11/1797
Frances IVES 29/3/1801
Samuel IVES 7/8/1803
Ann IVES 17/2/1805
Denny IVES 12/7/1807
Elizabeth IVES 28/10/1814
Charles IVES 16/2/1817
David IVES 21/8/1819


If you can find any marriages or deaths for the IVES children that would be great

Many thanks,
Mike Horton

Dear Mike

- and finally the Ives family!

Following christenings all L Munden, most of which you have already. Children of William and Rose
Sarah, 26 nov 1797
Mary Ann Lidia (as per parish record) 9 jun 1799
Fanny (not Frances) 29 march 1801
Samuel 7 aug 1803
Ann, 17 feb 1805
Denny, 12 jul 1807
John, 4 jun 1809
Elizabeth, 28 oct 1814, of Potters Green, father = labourer
Charles, 16 feb 1817
David 21 aug 1819, born 2 jul 1819, mother formerly Wrench of Levens Green
Esther, 15 may 1821, born 8 apr 1821

Denney Ives + William Sharpe, 21 nov 1829, Stapleford, both of the parish. Witnesses John Ives, Elizabeth Butterfield (On 1841 and 1851 she is entered as Dinah

Fanny Ives + Isaac Phillips (of Strood Kent), 25 aug 1827, Barkway.

John Ives + Elizabeth Free, 17 mar 1832, Grt Munden, both of the parish. Witness Elizabeth Ives
John and Elizabeth are on 1841 through to 1881, John a widower in 1891 - died 1894

Charles Ives (bachelor) + Sarah Andrews (widow), 27 oct 1844, St Mary's, Ware, his father William, hers Samuel Andrews.

William Ives from Levens Green buried Grt Munden, 30 jan 1848, aged 75

Sarah Ives buried Grt Munden, 28 aug 1836, aged 38

Charles Ives from Ware, buried Grt Munden, aged 10, 2 oct 1850

Looking at freebmd, there's a marriage for Esther Ives + William Hilton, 1848, Ware district.
1851 - Braughing
William Hilton, 24, ag lab, Westmill
Esther, 25, Munden


If you need census look-ups, happy to help. Let me know if you need more Hertford CRO searches.

Christine

Dear Christine,
I have been away for a few days and just found your wonderful message upon my return. Many thanks for all the hard work that you must have put in to discover the information. You have found two 'new' children for William & Rose as well as marriages and deaths for some of the others. I found the 1841 & 1851 Census entries for William SHARP but I could not find any Census entries for John IVES although you say he was recorded from 1841 to 1891. Can you kindly give me some references so that I can track them down.
Best wishes,
Mike Horton

Dear Mike

Hope you had an enjoyable few days away.

1851 - Old Hall Green, Standon, Herts
John Ives, 41, ag lab, Mundon
ELizabeth, 39, Standon + children
Charles, 14, ag lab
William, 11,
David, 8
Emma, 6
Alfred, 3

1861 - Colliers End, Standon, Herts (a little further south on the A10)
John, 50 ag lab, pob now Standon
Elizabeth, 48
David, 19, ag lab
Emma, 16
Alfred 13, apprentice shoemaker
John, 9

1871 - High Road, Colliers End
John, 60, ag lab, Great Munden
Elizabeth, 49 (according to image)
Alfred, 23, shoemaker, pob now Old Hall Green, Standon
John, 19, ag lab, ditto

1881 - Turnpike Rd, Colliers End
John, 69 ag lab
Elizabeth, 69

1891 - Old Hall Green
Louisa Ives, 41, wid, charwoman, Standon Lordship
William A, 18, farm labourer, ditto
John W, 16, ditto, Buntingford
Charles, J, 14, scholar, ditto
*John Ives, 81, father in law, wid, farm labourer, Grt Munden.

Louisa was the wife of Alfred.
Alfred Ives + Louisa Day, 1872, Islington dist - I've had a look at 1851-1871 census returns and Louisa Day was born c1850, Standon, so that fits. I wonder why they married in Islington area? As often happpens, each answer poses more questions!

Did you pick up the info on the Bland family - not that I was able to find very much.

Hope this helsp. Happy to help when/where I can.

Best wishes
Christine

Dear Christine,
Many thanks for the Census information, did you find John IVES and family in 1841. The Alfred IVES marriage is a real puzzle and I have no explanation for it. From the information that you kindly gave me I think I have found quite a few births, marriages and deaths on Free BMD and the IGI, I would never have done this without your help. I did carefully check the BLAND, WRENCH and IVES information that you sent and updated a lot of the families. I am having trouble finding most of them in a Census and so if you have a moment and can check some of them out although they may have died before 1841. In any event I am most grateful for all of your help.
Best wishes,
Mike Horton

Good morning Mike

I'll have another look through census returns and I'll see if I can find some more information at Hertford CRO, although I won't be able to go this week.

I wonder if the Bland family moved to Bedfordshire - Hitchin close to county boundary - just a thought.

Best wishes
Christine

Good afternoon Mike

I went to Hertford CRO yesterday evening - but found no more information on the Ives family in the Great Munden records. It's possible that the girls went into service in one of the surrounding villages and married there (eg Denney)
I take it you have the marriage of David Ives to Elizabeth Maskell in 1843. (from bmd on ancestry)

Happy to help when/if I can.

Christine

Dear Christine,
Many thanks for having a second ( or third ? ) look for my IVES family. I do have a brief note that David IVES may have married Elizabeth MASKELL but I have no details and so I could not confirm that this was mine. Have you the details of the marriage ?
Best wishes,
Mike Horton

Not at the moment Mike - it's in my book of look-ups for next week.

Christine

Good morning Mike

I couldn't see the marriage of David Ives in Great Munden or Little Munden, so I shall have to keep hunting for that one.

I did find Esther Ives and William Hilton at Grt Munden, 19 jun 1848. Her father William (deceased), his father John (also deceased)

Christine