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William Papworth

geebrooks9 — 2009-10-28 18:31:36Z

Hello, I have been trying to find the birth place Of my ancestor William Papworth. He married Mary Ann Muckley in 1815 at Shoreditch, Hackney. They had five children: James Papworth born abt 1818, in Fashion Street, Spitalfields, Middlesex, England, Mary Ann Papworth born abt 1819 in Spitalfields Christchurch, Stepney, London. Eliza Papworth born 1822 in Tower Hamlets, John,1830 in Spitalfields, William, about 1930 in Spitalfields.
Any information on William would be much appreciated. Thank you, Sara.

Re: Kettle Margaret 1785

lenirene1 — 2009-10-20 09:20:27Z

John Kettle had father Reubin still live in cottage called "the Nook" high street Exton Oakham Rutland

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

tracyelson412 — 2009-10-16 19:52:08Z

sounds exciting ta

i know it sounds silly but i dont know how to find your tree

Re: Birth Search from England Wales Free BMD Birth Index 1837-1915

Susan2670 — 2009-10-16 16:25:37Z

You can apply for copies of birth, death & marriages at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

The cost of a certificate is £7.00.
This includes postage.

Sue

Birth Search from England Wales Free BMD Birth Index 1837-1915

slydog183 — 2009-10-16 15:32:11Z

Hi

Hoping someone may be able to tell me how to actually track done more material details of a birth if one know's the Index and Volume and Page #.

The Index is England & Wales Free BMD Birth Index 1837-1915.

The name is Arthur PHILLIPS.

Born in 1901 (don't know exact date ) but was listed as 3 weeks old on 1901 census as a family member) at Huntingdonshire (think that is the county)

His parents were Peter PHILLIPS & Hannah PHILLIPS. At the time of the 1901 Census, Peter(37) Hannah(42)

There is also a brother George (3 yrs old at census time in 1901) and a sister Ethel (2 yrs old at census of 1901)

The Index Reference is Vol(3b) Page(285) for Arthur.

If someone is able to look this up or tell me where I can look it up that would great.

If this is successful I have others that I can get Vol & Page Numbers for.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Ken

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

robmoff — 2009-10-16 12:13:59Z

You appear to have all the ancestors that I have, but I have invited you to view my tree. You may find a few cousins there!

Rob

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

tracyelson412 — 2009-10-15 15:09:23Z

ok ta david

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

tracyelson412 — 2009-10-15 15:08:33Z

thanks margaret

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

tracyelson412 — 2009-10-15 15:07:45Z

Hello

yes im interested in your ancestors, perhaps they meet up to mine.

james william furnell 1885-1966 was my gt grandad, his daughter eva was my granny ( taylor)

Thanks

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

robmoff — 2009-10-15 12:45:56Z

Hope you find him. He was 3rd cousin twice removed to my wife! I don't have much on him, but several generations of his ancestors. Any interest?

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

david11000 — 2009-10-15 11:15:32Z

If you invest £7 in his death certicate you'll get the address where he died, which may not be his home address particularly if he died in hospital, and the address of the informant, which if it wasn't his wife again is unlikely to be his home address.

But it's the best place to start

David

Re: burial/grave FURNELL

margaretlong321 — 2009-10-15 07:58:24Z

Hello, you could try THE ELECTORAL ROLLS, this gives
names/and where they lived, these Rolls are at Huntingdon record office.Margaret.

burial/grave FURNELL

tracyelson412 — 2009-10-13 21:44:17Z

Can anyone help me find out where someone is buried. I have all dates and death year. James William FURNELL
1885 born Wistow died 1966 Huntingdon. last known living in upwood. I have checked upwood warboys st marys burials.

Is there an easy way to trace where someone lived in 1965-66

Re: RE: stephen munden

Martin_Edwards — 2009-10-04 15:16:32Z

Is this a Huntingdonshire query? If so please name the area.

Martin edwards
Board Administrator

Re: RE: stephen munden

toz38001 — 2009-10-03 02:41:00Z

Hi, I am intersted in any information you may have on the John Munden/Ann Cason's son Emanuel, who married Rebecca (Walker). Emanuel was allegedly the twin brother of Wm. Mumden (b.1766) and was named after another brother Emanuel who died that same year at the age of 8. I found a lot on the Cason's in Huxford's Wiregrass, but not much on the Munden's or Rebecca. I have the Georgia lottery as well but not much else. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Hannah and Thomas

chelseawh — 2009-09-16 12:51:05Z

Trying to locate death registrations of Thomas (1863) and Hannah King (1864) born in Woolley Huntingdonshire. Last known address Upton Alconbury Hill.

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

cispt2 — 2009-09-08 16:25:29Z

oops sorry Linda (not Mary). Glad the info helped :)

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

Lindacalvert11 — 2009-09-08 16:14:12Z

Hi Matt

Not sure who Mary is? Maybe my Gt.Gt.Gt. Grandma? lol.
We were in touch a few months back, you kindly provided me with lots of nice information about my Hall ancestry but the Owens left me banging my head against a brick wall so in the meantime I've been finding out about another ancestor's adventures in Wellington's Rifle Brigade during the Peninsula wars, (looks like he was the only ancestor who was anything more interesting than a farm labourer!).
I have your email address so will email you later this evening (UK time)after dinner.
Best wishes
Linda

Re: Pincque family from Dry Drayton, Cambs (abt 1819)???

robannh — 2009-08-17 13:55:10Z

Hi Mark
I have a Sarah Pincque as a witness on the marriage cert of William Hide and Susannah Townsend may 12th 1840 in Warboys, Hunts. So far i can find nothing further as to where she is from or why is Sarah the Witness along with William Samworth (clerk).
Regards
Rob Hyde

swann of needingworth

lucillemontgomery28 — 2009-08-21 08:44:35Z

i am looking for a marriage of a john swan to a elizabeth tomlinson i know that a edward swann maried a elizabeth tomlinson in huntiigton so did john marry his widow

Re: George & Eileen Deadman ( decd )

anbertu75 — 2009-08-12 08:27:45Z

Peggy,
Many thanks for your valuable assistance in obtaining the useful info. on my behalf.Much appreciated. Many thanks. Alan Tutt.

Re: Thomas Goodjohn, b:1748 Godmanchester

MGoodjohn — 2009-08-23 10:26:37Z

Dear David

I was thrilled to receive your reply, and think this takes me back another generation.

I will investigate the LDS film.

Many thanks

Michael Goodjohn

Thomas Goodjohn, b:1748 Godmanchester

MGoodjohn — 2009-08-22 22:33:57Z

Has anyone information about his parents or siblings, please.

Re: Harts of Huntingdon

Quint_Hart — 2009-09-06 17:55:13Z

I'm sorry I didn't see this when you posted it. As I just told another person, yes, I did find the family, and they do descend from the Hart Shakespeare line. I can send it to you if you'd like. There are several of my father in laws family who have posted my work as theirs. That would be the easiest way for you to get it. The proofs are parish records wills, the usual.

Let me know

Emalu

Re: Harts of Huntingdon

Quint_Hart — 2009-09-06 17:51:07Z

my I haven't looked at this for a very long time. Yes the Day family and the LDS have extensive work on the Hart Shakespeare line. It is my work.

I did all the research and did find that this line does descend from the Joan Shakespeare line Sister of William. It has all the proofs. The other members of this family have copied it under their own names.

Thanks

Emalu

Re: George & Eileen Deadman ( decd )

peggysullivan114 — 2009-08-11 17:21:24Z

GRO index had marriage of

George J Deadman to Eileen Curtis or Hine Jun qtr 1921 Chertsey ref: 2a 146

If you know the death date you will be able to get his birth date from there.

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

debscott132 — 2009-09-08 06:42:09Z

Dear Matt,
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my listing. I do have John's death certificate and from your 2nd message, I will order the marriage certificate.

Thanks for your help, Deb

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

debscott132 — 2009-09-08 06:38:21Z

Dear David,

Thanks once again for replying to my request.

The date of 1817 comes from John's Australian Death Cert and the Fen Stanton comes from the passenger list for the Duke of Roxburgh.

I have got the marriage details from IGI and will now order the certificate.

Cheers, Deb

Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

debscott132 — 2009-09-03 07:13:21Z

Could some kind soul please look up the Parish Records for the birth of John Wade in 1817 at Fenney Staunton. I need to know the names of his parents as I have conflicting names for his father.

Thanks to anyone who helps me. It is greatly appreciated.

Kind regards, Deb

Re: Details on Huntingdonshire

jslambert2000 — 2009-08-23 01:21:57Z

Hi David
Thanks for your reply it has cleared up my problem.
Much appreciated.
John Lambert

Details on Huntingdonshire

jslambert2000 — 2009-08-22 04:31:03Z

Can anyone please help I have a William Lambert born 1794

The 1841 Census For Haddon shows the family of William and Susanna Lambert living in
High St Haddon but no place of birth
1841 England Census Shows William Born in Hertfordshire England
1851 England Census Shows William Born Cherry Burton Huntingdonshire England
1861 England Census Shows William Born Orton Waterville Huntingdonshire England
1871 England Census Shows William Born Orton Huntingdonshire England

The first of Williams Children was born in Ramsay
The rest in Haddon Huntingdonshire England and Orton Huntingdonshire
1841 England Census shows them Born in Hertfordshire England

1841 England Census Shows Williams Wife Susan / Susana was born In Hertfordshire England
1851 England Census Shows Williams Wife Susan / Susana was born in Longthorpe Northamptonshire England
1862 England Census Shows Williams Wife Susan / Susana was born in Longthorpe Northamptonshire England

Q1 Was there a Cherry Burton In Huntingdonshire or should Burton be Cherry Orton?
(Orton Waterville)
Q2 Is there any connection between Huntingdonshire Northamptonshire Hertfordshire

Thanks John Lambert confused Aussie.

Re: swann of needingworth

david11000 — 2009-08-22 06:25:58Z

Giving a single date would make it so much easier.

An Edward Swan married Elizabeth Tomlinson in 1807, so if she was widowed and then remarried it would have been as Elizabeth Swan

There's no marriage of a John Swan 1807-37 in Hunts. What else do you know about him?

Re: Details on Huntingdonshire

david11000 — 2009-08-22 05:03:11Z

You've been fooled by an Ancestry error in 1841. The 1841 census merely states whether or not the person was born in the county in which he was enumerated, indicated by a Y(es) or N(o). So in Haddon, Hunts the whole of the Lambert family had a Y(es) or Ditto against their names, meaning they were all born in Hunts. I've no idea how Ancestry managed to make a hash of it (for the whole parish, not just the Lambert family.

Same with 1851. It was enumerated as Cherry Orton not Cherry Burton, which is an Ancestry mistranscription. You need to be looking at the census images not Ancestry's indexing which is of a low standard

Hunts and Northants are adjoining counties. Longthorpe Northants and Orton Waterville Hunts are only a couple of miles apart but the county boundary runs between them

David

Re: Thomas Goodjohn, b:1748 Godmanchester

david11000 — 2009-08-23 07:31:39Z

There's only one marriage in Hunts of a male Goodjohn between 1726 and 1754 - at Godmanchester in 1741 between John Goodjohn and Ann Brown (per Hunts Marriage Index). It seems a good bet that these were his parents. The BVRI shows the marriage as being on 29 Sept 1741

Unfortunately Godmanchester baptisms on the BVRI only start at 1753, and there is one son of John and Ann:
Joseph Goodjohn 17 Jan 1757.

There's no transcript available for Godmanchester baptisms, but the parish register has been filmed by the LDS so is available to order and film at your nearest LDS Family History Centre

David

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

david11000 — 2009-09-03 15:27:25Z

The marriage is also on the IGI, extracted so reliable, where John's father is shown as John Taylor Wade.

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

david11000 — 2009-09-03 09:15:05Z

I looked this up for you a year ago, and drew a blank.
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.england.hu...

The answer's still the same. There's a John Wade baptised on 1 July 1804, son of John and Elizabeth, and another on 6 Sept 1835 son of Robert and Mary Ann. The only Wade baptisms in Fen Stanton between 1804 and 1830 were all children of John and Elizabeth.

I asked before where the 1817 birthdate came from? Was it from his death record in Australia or the passenger list, or is it a guess based on his marriage? Could he have been older when he married? If you still haven't purchased his marriage certificate, you need to, as his father will be named, and the witnesses may provide a clue.

I still can't find John in 1841 although there's a Rebecca Richardson living at Eaton Ford aged 20 ie 20-24

Since last year I've acquired St Neots baptism transcript. William Wade was baptised on 23 Aug 1846, son of John & Rebekah, labourer; and Elizabeth on 17 Sept 1848, dau of John & Rebecca, labourer

David

Re: Harts of Huntingdon

david11000 — 2009-09-06 19:55:00Z

I'd be interested to learn how you established that Thomas Hart of Hemingford Abbots who married Elizabeth Marriott at Buckden in 1806, and who according to online trees citing Emalu Pedigree Records was born in Godmanchester in 1784 (have you found a baptism?) was the son of John Shakespeare Hart who was born in Stratford-upon-Avon and who died at Tewkesbury Gloucs, the other side of the country?

John and Mary Hart who married on 27 Nov 1774 at Tewkesbury, baptised the following children in Tewkesbury:
Sarah 12 Nov 1775
William Shakespeare 1 Nov 1778
George 22 Dec 1780
John 22 Dec 1780
A member submission on the IGI also suggests there was another son, Henry, born c1781.
William Shakespeare and John jun were both buried in Tewkesbury according to member submissions, and John senior died on 22 Jan 1800 at Tewkesbury citing Emalu.

So the logistics are that John and Mary married in Tewkesbury, had at least 4 children there, then galloped 100 miles cross country to have Thomas in Godmanchester, then left him there when the rest of them went back to Tewkesbury at some time before 1800. My credulity is being stretched!

There was a John Hart age 86 buried at Hemingford Abbots on 15 Apr 1821. Who was he?

David

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

david11000 — 2009-09-06 09:12:33Z

You can't assume that because a father on a marriage cert isn't described as deceased that he's alive.

"Father's name?" asks the vicar
"John Owen" she replied
No-one asked if he was alive or dead so she didn't volunteer the information that he was dead!

Happened often

(Equally you can't rely on the statement that the father was deceased!)

David

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

david11000 — 2009-09-06 09:08:28Z

This will be a quicky as I've got visitors from England arriving in the morning and the house is a TIP!

Jane in 1841 was aged 20 ie 20-24, so I suspect she could have been a daughter of John's earlier marriage, bearing in mind that John and Ann didn't marry until Dec 1821. But William born 1822 would seem to have been a son of John and Ann.

Fen Stanton baptisms only go up to 1843 on the IGI and BVRI, so that's possibly why you haven't found baptisms for William and Mary Ann. Hunts FHS sell a transcription on CDrom which goes up to 1990.

The BVRI is a CDrom set produced by the LDS, which is an adjunct. It's good for Hunts where so few parishes are on the IGI

Microfilms are available to order and view at your nearest LDS Family History Centre - list at www.familysearch.org

David

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

david11000 — 2009-09-05 20:38:07Z

There's only one Owen baptism at Fenstanton - Jane on 9 Sept 1832, daughter of John and Mary. She may have been William's sister, but that's pure speculation. More speculation is that it may have been a late baptism as the only Jane Owen I can see in Fenstanton in 1841 was aged 20, living with Joseph and Ann Mole (in 1851 William and Mary Ann had a daughter named Jane)

There are no Owen burials in Fenstanton 1701-1900

There are the following marriages in Fenstanton
1821 John Owen widower and Ann Stacy widow
1822 Ann Owen widow and John Eden

A John Eden 34 was buried on 21 Jul 1832 at Fenstanton
In 1833 Ann Eden widow married Joseph Mole widower

And finally I'm getting somewhere as Jane Owen age 20 in 1841 was living with Joseph and Ann Mole - so it seems as though Jane may have been the step? daughter of Ann. Also in the same household were Rebecca Eaden 15 and John Eaden 13. William Owen 15 was the previous entry, living in the Hall household.

There's a burial of John Owen age 55 at Bluntisham cum Earith on 11 Jul 1822, but I can't tell if it was the same John. Bluntisham is 5 miles from Fenstanton.

The only Stacy/Ann marriage that fits was at Fenstanton in 1812 between William Stacy and Ann Briers, but I can't see a burial of a William Stacey in Fenstanton 1812-21

You need to look at the parish record microfilms to get further details of the above events, but from dates it fits that Ann (Briers?) was William's mother

The Fenstanton marriages and some baptisms have been extracted onto the IGI, so you can check the dates yourself. But the batch that includes Jane Owen is one of the sexist female only batches, but I took my data from the BVRI which includes males as well!

David

Re: Collingwoods of Somersham and Bluntisham Cum Earith

goddardanne — 2009-08-29 14:03:48Z

hi ,just seen your message, i am related to William and Elizabeth . my father was Spencer Charles Henry Collingwood. i can get no further back than Will and wonder if you had any luck
regards Anne goddard nee Collingwood

Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

Lindacalvert11 — 2009-09-05 18:26:10Z

I need to confirm William's birth to move my search backwards but I'm not sure how to go about it. 1822 fits with all the census entries and his age in 1846 when he married Mary Ann Hall. On the marriage certificate his father's name is given as John Owen, occupation 'Waterman'. I'd like to be able to find out William's mother's name so that I can try and match up the John Owens I've found on the 1841 census with William's father, (supposing they were still alive then!), and find out whether he had any siblings. If someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Linda

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

Lindacalvert11 — 2009-09-06 07:29:33Z

Hi David
I'm extremely impressed that in a little over two hours you've managed to provide so much information. The original Ann Briers seems to have been a busy lady in the husband department.
I had found both Jane and William on the '41 census and did wonder if they were related. I'm sure it's the right William though as his age would have been rounded down from 19 to 15 and on the same page is a William Hurl (who appears as a witness on my William's marriage cert.) And he's living with a branch of the Hall family and five years later marries Mary Ann Hall.
Including Jane, who you mentioned, William and Mary had eight children in Fenstanton and I haven't been able to find baptism records for any of them so maybe they weren't 'regular church' people.
I've been working on the premise that John Owen was alive at the time of William's marriage as there was no (dec) after his name on the marriage certificate, as I've found on others, although maybe this wasn't standard practice at the time, I'm not sure.
I'm beginning to doubt whether the Owens originally came from Fenstanton after all, perhaps they were from a neighbouring village. I'm intrigued by the 'John and Mary on Jane Owen's baptism, I wonder who Mary was?
Now I have to admit my ignorance, I'm aware of IGI but I have no idea what the BVRI is that you mention, and where would I get hold of microfilms of parish records?
You've certainly given me a lot to think about.
Many thanks
Linda

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

Lindacalvert11 — 2009-09-06 09:33:21Z

Thanks, David, more excellent information for me to follow up.
A quicky from me also as I have to get ready to go out for Sunday lunch.
Go easy on the housework, I'm sure your guests are more eager to see you than how tidy your home is!!
Best wishes
Linda

Re: Collingwoods of Somersham and Bluntisham Cum Earith

ircoll — 2009-08-31 19:49:37Z

Hello Anne

We've already corresponded (about a year ago) through Genes Reunited, and I am afraid I have made no progress. To be honest I've done very little genealogy in recent times and am frankly at a bit of a dead end with William and Elizabeth. I am not sure what the next step would be, indeed even if there is one. Perhaps I need to take some specialist advice on this if I am to make progress.

Regards Ian

Re: James Bluff

hazelgoodes — 2009-08-25 18:43:27Z

Hi Josie,

I sent you my last message when I was at work, and have just taken another look at my tree.
I am related to this Bluff family!

James Bluff = Elizabeth ?

Children, all born Keystone
William Bluff c. 1786
John Bluff c. 1788
James Bluff c. 1790
Thomas Bluff c. 1792
Samuel Bluff c. 1794
Joseph Bluff c. 1797
Ann Bluff c. 1802
George Bluff c. 1805

William Bluff (c. 1786) is my Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather.

I have lots of information on his family, and the family information of Joseph and Ann (I have lots on Ann). If you'd like more info please let me know. How are you related to James?

I don't know anything about James except his name, I'm afraid! However, I will keep on looking...

Best wishes

Hazel

Re: James Bluff

hazelgoodes — 2009-08-25 12:02:44Z

Hi Josie,

I'm interested in your post because I have quite a large Bluff family line in my tree. Please could you send me some info on your family in the 1830s+? Then I'll see if any of mine matches up.

If you would like to e-mail it my address is hazelgoodes@hotmail.co.uk.

Best wishes

Hazel

Re: Parish record search for William Owen 1822 in Fenstanton

cispt2 — 2009-09-08 15:55:52Z

Hi Mary,

I've done a bit of work on 'your' HALL line in Fenstanton (the line descended from Israel Hall) because I'm descended from the 'other' HALL line down from Edward HALL who was about the same age as Israel. Neither Edward nor Israel (who were not siblings I believe) were baptised in Fenstanton.

I'd be very interested to know about the children of William OWEN and Mary Ann HALL.

cheers,
matt

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

cispt2 — 2009-09-03 13:47:09Z

p.s. I assume this is their marriage?

Rebecca Richardson and John Wade appear on the same page
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Neots
County: Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire
Volume: 14
Page: 276 (click to see others on page)

and there is only one NSW Rebecca Wade death from 1849-1920:
11175/1902 WADE REBECCA HENRY ST LEONARDS

Do these sound right?

Re: Parish Record Look-up for John WADE of Fenney Staunton

cispt2 — 2009-09-03 13:41:21Z

Hi,
I see their arrival, all on the Duke of Roxburgh, 1849. From looking at the old messages i've listed what i think is each place of birth.

WADE, Elizabeth, inft, St Neot's, Hunts
WADE, John, 30, Fenstanton, Hunts
WADE, Rebecca, 29, Eaton Socon, Beds
WADE, William, 3, St Neot's, Hunts

A marriage certificate will be your best bet for getting solid information on the family. It may well be he John grew up in Fenstanton, but was in fact born elsewhere. All this is complicated by the fairly miserable state of Hunts records no IGI.

I see they had at least one child after arriving in Australia:
V18513027 37A/1851 WADE GEORGE H JOHN REBECCA

Do you know when John died in NSW? What does the death certificate say?

cheers,
matt