I am looking for present day decendences of these relatives with children of Thomas, Rosa M, Eliza, Frederick W, John, Florence K, Anne E. Edwin Emery, as on the 1881 British Census. Their son Thomas came to Canada in 1882 and married Nancy Lewis in in 1893.

Trying to help, by finding them on subsequent census records, and then marriage records etc. BUT, I cannot even find them on the 1881 census, can you send a copy or say exactly where they were, and what were the ages.

Sorry, found them now. On the 1901 cenuss, Rosa M, aged 43 and Annie A, aged 33 were both living together and still single.

Impressed with the quick response. I have just found a Frederick William Phillips on the 1901 England Census.
He is married to Louisa with children Frederick W, aged 12; Elsie aged 8; and Leslie aged 5. Hope that I am the right track. I do have note of a Frederick William and Leslie Phillips on the 1939/40 voters list at 17 Cadbury Road with a Phyllis Gertrude present. I have good record of Edwin Emery married to Bertha Myers 18/10/18 in Australia when he was part of the Australian Imperial Forces. Florence K is believed to have married a Frederick Herbert Terry in 1887. Thomas married Nancy Lewis 1893 in Calgary, Canada after coming to Canada in 1882. These are my great grand parents. I have no other records of the rest of the great uncles and aunts. Rosa M and Annie A are a good find but Annie has a E as a second initial. Don't sweat the small stuff. Hope to hear more. Regards

I hope you got my message sent through the contact service, with a man named Frederick W Phillips in Warwickshire.

Have you been able to make contact with any of the Australian Phillips, or are they also a mystery?

On the 1891 census this is Florence and her husband, with son and two servants (one of the servats is called Clara Phillips)
Cannot find them on the 1901 census, but did find them on the 1911. They only appear to have had the one son.

Marriages Jun 1887
Phillips Florence Kate Aston 6d 328
Terry Frederick Herbert Aston 6d 328


Births Jun 1890
Terry Herbert Stanley W. Bromich 6b 762


1891 CENSUS
Name: Florence K Terry
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick H
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Westminster Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick H Terry 33 Manager Metal Manufacturer
Florence K Terry 26 wife
Hebert S Terry 1 son
Mary Bailey 23 servant
Clara Phillips 23 servant


1911 census.
Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
TERRY, FREDERICK HERBERT HEAD MARRIED M 52 GENERAL MANAGER TO THE BROTHERHAN TUBES AND CONDUET BIRMINGHAM
TERRY, FLORENCE KATE WIFE MARRIED 22 F 46 LONDON
TERRY, HERBERT STANLEY SON SINGLE M 21 CLERK BIRMIGNHAM
PHILLIPS, JOHN VISITOR MARRIED M 48 HARDWARE MANUCATURE LONDON
TERRY HERBERT STANLEY (RG14PN17008 RG78PN1050 RD369 SD3 ED9 SN89)
Address PENN ROAD WOLVERHAMPTON County Staffordshire
District Wolverhampton Subdistrict Wombourn
Enumeration District 9 Parish Upper Penn


ONE OF THESE COULD BE the marriage of young Herbert

Marriages Dec 1914
Bryant Ethel M (Terry) Greenwich 1d 2019
Terry Herbert S (Bryant) Greenwich 1d 2019

Marriages Sep 1918
TERRY Herbert S (Whitehead) Wolverhampton 6b 1049
Whitehead Doris M (Terry) Wolverhampton 6b 1049


Marriages Sep 1922
FARTHING Cicely G (Terry) Woolwich 1d 2707
TERRY Herbert S (Farthing) Woolwich 1d 2707

Edwin may have gone to Australia in 1913, but his family were not with him on this journey.

Name: Edwin E Phillips
Port of Departure: Melbourne
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 10 Jan 1913
Vessel Name: Suffolk

BUT, I found him on the 1911 census, with Bertha and two daughters. I can find the births of the girls, but cannot find a marriage for Edwin and his lovely bride.

Births Dec 1903
PHILLIPS Vera Emerie Norwich 4b 131


Births Jun 1905
Phillips Irene Norwich 4b 104


Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
PHILLIPS, EDWIN EMERY HEAD MARRIED M 35 COMMERCIAL TRAVELLER WARWICK BIRMINGHAM
PHILLIPS, BERTHA WIFE MARRIED 9yrs F 44 TEACHER OF SINGING LONDON PIMLICO
PHILLIPS, VERA EMERIE DAUGHTER F 7 NORFOLK NORWICH
PHILLIPS, IRENE DAUGHTER F 6 NORFOLK NORWICH
HARRISON, LYDIA SERVANT SINGLE F 18 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC DURHAM SUNDERLAND
PHILLIPS EDWIN EMERY (RG14PN30365 RG78PN1746 RD556 SD2 ED17 SN149)
Address 245 ALBERT ROAD JARROW County Durham
District South Shields Subdistrict Jarrow
Enumeration District 17 Parish Jarrow

Information on Frederick William Phillips in Warwickshire was recieved and will be followed up on as time permitted. The only Australian contact was a Maryrose Phillips but is not a strong contact. The information on Edwin was interesting and I do have all his military records from his time in Australia which includes his marriage information. Included is a resident address of Bertha in England

Edwin Emery Phillips and Bertha Myers married in Victoria state of Australia in 1918 as in his military records. But interesting Bertha is mentioned as next of kin on his enlistment onfo of 1916 into the 21st Battalion, 13th Reinforcement, Australian Commonwealth Military Force. Bertha's address was then stated as 2 Struan Terrace, East Boldon, Durham, England. They live at 2 Dundas Place, Albert Park, Melbourne on the 1919 voters list and 47 Finlay st on the 1924 list. He maintains his clerk employment as he did in the military. Your passenger info for 1913 and on Florence K Terry is the same as mine. I had a hard time making out their son's name on census and thank you for clarification.

I live in England, in Co. Durham. East Boldon is very near to Jarrow, where they were on the 1911 census. Bertha states born in the South of England, so the question is, why did she come North, or where did she meet Edwin. The other odd thing is that theygot married years after the children were born, yet the children have his name. Did the two girls go to Australia with them, and when did she go to Australia. Did they stay there, or come back to England