I have a mention of the above place in an Inquisition Post Mortem
dated 1411. The only clue to where Thornebrughall is though is
that it was in Strickland Ketel (this is an area slightly north
of Kendal covering modern-day Burneside etc).

Does anyone know where this Thornebrughall may have been, if it still exists, or know of any other references to it (even if later than this date) as I'm trying to place it on the map and cannot find anything like it anywhere.

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Anne, Board Admin

Having scanned both the current 1:25,000 scale map and the 1851 census transcription, I can find no sign of what would now, I would guess, be called Thornburgh Hall / Thornbrough Hall / Thornburrow Hall / Thornborough Hall. The only 'Thorn' references are Thorneybank and Thorneyslack Farm to the NW of Garth Row, High Thorn near Watchgate Treatment Plant (south of Selside) and Thorn Cottage on the old loop of the A6 to the north of the Plough Inn. Whether any of these are remnants of a connection with the property you are researching is anybody's guess.

Hi Kenny,

Thanks for the reply... it's pretty much what I found also - the place just seems to have vanished without trace. I was hoping there may be some clue in a local street name or area (like Dockwray Hall Industrial Estate in Kendal and the old Dockwray Hall) but I guess with so much time having passed it was a bit of a longshot hope!

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Anne, Board Admin

There is a Thornbarrow Road in Windermere, but that's a very long shot! Look here: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=341390&y=497745&...

Thanks Kenny... it may be a long shot... then again many of the Mediaeval estates had lands all over the place so it may be a clue.

I shall keep digging! ;-)

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Anne, Board Admin

Hello, Anne,
I think--only think, mind you--that Thornebrughall may weel be Thornbarrow hall in the old township or graveship of Undermillbeck, which is or was part of the ancient parish of Windermere, even though it is several miles from Burneside/Strickland Ketel. I say this because there is a reference to Likbergh or Lickbarrow as being in the vill of Strickland Ketel and Lickbarrow is just up the hill from Thornbarrow Hall. See Farrer, Records of Kendale and also the British History on Line site. I believe the Hall belonged to the family of Thornbarrow

Hello, Anne,
I think--only think, mind you--that Thornebrughall may weel be Thornbarrow hall in the old township or graveship of Undermillbeck, which is or was part of the ancient parish of Windermere, even though it is several miles from Burneside/Strickland Ketel. I say this because there is a reference to Likbergh or Lickbarrow as being in the vill of Strickland Ketel and Lickbarrow is just up the hill from Thornbarrow Hall. See Farrer, Records of Kendale and also the British History on Line site. I believe the Hall belonged to the family of Thornbarrow

I think John may be right. The vill was a medieval unit of administration which would have been larger than the later area of Stricklandkettle. Angus Winchester is the authority on this - he wrote an article in the 1978 Transactions of the CWAAS about vills in West Cumbria. I think he has also written about Stricklandketel but I can't give you the reference.

Thomas Machell mentions Thornbarrow Hall in Undermillbeck in 'Antiquary on Horseback', written in the late 17th century:
'There is also a tenement which does suit at (Windermere manor) court called Thornbarrow Hall. It pays quit rent and greenhew to the King and five shillings per annum rent to Lord Wharton of Wharton Hall. This has belonged to, and been built by, the Thornbarrows - whence it is that we have their names, arms and pictures in the church windows'. (Windermere Parish Church at Bowness).
I think the Thornbarrows had probably gone a long time before, as no person or property of that name appears in the parish registers certainly after 1640. It is still there, if you google the name.

Yes, the vill of Strickland (Ketel) was sometimes conceived as covering a wide area. I have some notes on it that I shall look up and add tomorrow. I am at present engaged in writing a history of Bowness and Undermilnbeck, the township in which it lies (or lay: townships as such no longer exist). If anyone has anything of interest, i shall be pleased to hear from them.

John, I have a lot of information about Bowness and Undermillbeck, and am contacting you separately. I have a database of virtually all the residents of Applethwaite and Undermillbeck, with information about their families and where they lived, in 1671, and I can trace many of them through to the census of 1841. I'm currently trying to extend the database to include everything I can find from original records about the inhabitants up to that date - quite a big job! But I am willing to help anyone if I can.