Hi

Thanks very much for the reply. I just have a little unconfirmed information going further back than the 1851 censuses for John and Mary Ann at the moment. I recently made contact through Ancestry with a cousin of my Dad's he didn't know about (the son of my grandmother Nellie Haynes' sister Mabel). He had done a family tree which put John Haynes on the 1841 census living in Old Swinford, Stourbridge, Worcestershire with an Ann Haynes and a Herbert Haynes. Their ages would suggest Ann was John's mother and Herbert his brother, although information about the householders relationships to each other is not given on the record. I found this household when I searched the census records myself and I also found a Mary Ann Smith of the right age living on the next street. I struggled to find a marriage index reference for them initially but have just found a Joseph Haynes and Mary Ann Smith at the same index ref in Storbridge in the 4th quarter of 1847. I'm going to order the certificate to check this. The date is after two of their children, Mary and my own direct ancestor, John were born!! I can't find the right birth index for John Haynes Jr, the census records suggest he was born in the Pershore district but nothing fits this.

The Dog and Partridge pub where John was a publican was on the Bristol Rd near the corner of Elliot Road, it was demolished in the 1990s. The Dingle is a small Cul-de-sac in the same location which still exists. We think that my great-grandfather William Haynes met his wife Annie Eliza Berry in the same pub, she certainly worked in a bar in Selly Oak and the Dog and Partridge was on the corner of the road where he worked at Elliot's steelworks. . . one of the main things we're trying to find out at the moment is what became of Annie Eliza, William's wife. She left the family for another man in around 1916-1917 and there was no further contact, we can't find a death record or a record of a further marriage. William and Annie Eliza's daughter Mabel is still alive and would like to know what happened to her! After Annie left Mabel went to live with her Dad's brother George Robert Haynes who's descendant contacted you. . .

Any way I've gone on enough for now..! Hope you find some of the above useful. If you want to take a look at my tree it's public on the Ancestry site. If you don't have a subscription that allows you access I can email you a guest pass. I'm not sure I worked out your own connection to the Selly Oak Haynes's and to John and Mary Ann... Was it that you married a descendant of Henry Haynes & Louisa Parkes?

thanks again for the reply

Mark Vaughan