Copied from the Bible of Estha Jane [Flemming] Gahn Hopkins.
Newspaper clipping pasted in: "On Dec. 3, 1884 at 11:3O in Algiers, LA. John Flemings a native of County Ferman Ireland and a resident of Tangipahoa Parish for the last 24 years." (Death notice)

John Fleming b: abt. 1805 Married bef. 1827 in Ireland to Margaret. I have been told from a family member that Margaret's surname was Fitsallen/Fitzallan. Margaret was b: abt. 1806 in Ireland.

I have also been told that Margaret [Fitzallen] Fleming came to the United States with some children before John Fleming came and he had some children with him also. They emigrated through the port of New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana, USA. Two of their daughters have different immigration dates per the 1900 census, Estha/Esther says 1848, Isabella says 1854.

I haven't found any of them in the records for New Orleans, LA. I can't find them in 1860 census either.

Known children of John Fleming & Margaret were:
William Fleming b: abt. 1827 [some say County Fermanagh, Ireland], d: 01 November 1864 in McComb, Pike Co., Mississippi, USA. Some say this is a 2nd marriage to Jane Elizabeth Lanier

Esther [Estha] Jane Fleming b: April 1834 in County Fermanagh, Ireland, d: 01 June 1909 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA, USA. Married 1st. to James William Gahn, Sr., 2nd. to William H. Hopkins and 3rd [some say another Gahn]

Isabella Fleming b: August 1839 in County Fermanagh, Ireland, d: 30 June 1906 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA, USA. Married to Henry C. Andrews.

Mary Jane Fleming b: 16 December 1852 in LA? or Ireland?, d: 31 March 1914 in Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana. Married to Davidson Kincaid Lanier.

Source Census 1870 Tangipahoa Parish, Ward 4, Louisiana, 21 day of August, Post Office of Hammond.
Fleming, John, 65, m, w, Farmer, b: Ireland
Margaret, 64, f, w, b: Ireland
Mary J., 21, f, w, b: Louisiana, FFB/MFB

Source Census 1880, Tangipahoa Parish, Ward 5, Louisiana
Family History Library Film 1254471
NA Film Number T9-0471
Page Number 504C

Fleming, John w m 76 m Farmer Ireland/Ire/Ire
Margaret w f 75 m KeepsHouse Ire/Ire/Ire


If anyone has any documentation on this family I would like to know or see it.

Thank you,
Cheryl

Usually when referring people to websites in Ireland one of the first would be the Griffith Valuations a very good census substitute www.failteromhat.com & www.askaboutireland.com but the valuations were done in 1862
for Fermanagh. Next would be the Tithe's done in the early 1820's. www.censusfinder.com United Kingdom+Ireland+County
and luckily this is one of the few counties that has the Tithe records online.

There are four named John Fleming in 1832-1834:

John, Drumkeeran Parish, Drumnagalagh Townland 1832
John Jr. Galloon Parish, Derranacrow Townland 1834
John Sr.Galloon Parish, Derranacrow 1834
John Jr. Galloon Parish, Derranacrow 1834

There are 3 Andrew, 1 Arthur, 3 James, 2 Thomas all but two in the same Parish.

There are 4 Flemming's, none of the above Parishes or Townlands.

There are 6 FITZ in Drumkeeran Parish

2 Fitzgerald's, 33 Fitzpatrick, 3 Fitzsimmonds some in Galloon Parish

So it is possible that she could be plain FITZ.

There are also parish records on this website, from 1700-1800's as well as marriages mostly Church of Ireland

Other good websites are www.igp-web.com + County some counties have lots of resources, some have gravestone inscriptions and/or photo projects ongoing

www.familysearch.org but it looks as though you have got most of that with the microfilm numbers, don't know if you know about their PILOT program, on the main website top left under 'search record' pull down menu, click on PILOT.Good worldwide. The Irish records are based on donated records as well as those from the National Library in Ireland but like other bmd's online records don't start till later in the 1800's.

Due to the lack of online records for Fermanagh I think you will not be able to go back any further than what is posted above. Gravestones inscriptions maybe your best resource. Things will get better as time goes on, since I started looking for my husband's family the amount available on line has more than trippled. I was fortunate with Parish records of the Church of Ireland which to 1899 are kept all in one place, RC records except for those at the National Library are kept in local custody and you need to contact Parish Offices, some are cooperative some not whether in person or by mail. Most Churches/Parishes are online now and have address/email of clergy.

I think that is about all I can do for you. Please go through the above records for anything I might of missed. I will try and some some US records on-line but since you have done a pretty good job of that it is probably already done. Excuse any typo's.

Annette Code
'genealogy for fun'

I googled Drumkeeran Parish and there is some good information, www.inishmagrath.com is an RC Parish
Fr. Gerard Alwill. PP. email: pp@inishmagrath.com

The website has some excellent history of the area, good pictures of Churches both denominations. If Fr.Alwill is contacted, he may not have the information you are looking for but he can point you in the right direction if she is so inclined.

www.ukisearch.com/fermanagh

AC

Thank you Annette, Irish records are very hard for me to learn about with the different townlands, parishs and counties. I did find some interesting information on Co. Fermanagh while googleing. Also with John Fleming it is very hard to find him without a middle name. I have searched the US 1860 census records for Orleans Parish, Louisiana USA page by page and have found nothing. I also searched Tangipahoa Parish in Lousiana USA page by page and nothing in 1860. He had to be in one or the other Parish's in Louisiana USA. Also we have only found the 3 girls and one son born to John & Margaret Fleming so between 1848 and 1854 he had to have come to the United States.

Someone on another site has our John Fleming being born in Mt. Melic, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
I guess I was getting antsy about this Co. Tyrone, NI, so I went in and was checking for Mt. Melic, Tyrone, Fermanagh Co., Ireland. What I found was this:
There is no Mt. Melic, but there is a Melic which if I am reading it right, Melic is a flower?
There is no Tyrone in County Fermanagh, Ireland, but now this is the interesting part, The administration, Fermanagh District Council is the only one of the 26 district councils in Northern Ireland that contains all of the county it is named after. The district council also contains a small section of County Tyrone in the Dromore and Kilskeery road areas. Fermanagh is part of the Fermanagh and South Tyrone Parliamentary Constituency.

Also I found this:
This is JUST A NOTE on a John Fleming for immigration from Ireland to New Orleans, Orleans Parish Louisiana.
Name: Fleming, John
Place: New Orleans
Year: 1851
Source Publication Code: 2908.10
Source Publication Page Number: 236
Document Type: Immigrant Record
Source: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index
Bibliography:
HARRIS, RUTH-ANN, AND B. EMER O'KEEFFE.
The Search for Missing Friends: Irish Immigrant Advertisements Placed in the Boston Pilot. Volume II: 1851-1853.
Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1991. 672p.

Another thing is that I am running Windows 98 and since everyone on the internet has updated their sites using acrobat readers I can't access them anymore.

Kind regards,
Cheryl Myers

Ireland is extremely difficult at the best of times. It is getting better but most websites are charging fees and most of the counties charge fees due to their council's insisting on fee for service on a cost recovery basis. No wonder it is so expensive. If you do't understand the different division, Diocese, Parishes, Townland, Poor Law Unions, Baronies etc. etc. www.from-ireland.net is one of the better websites for that information.

Many registration district covered three counties, Diocese and Parishes crossed county lines, Fermanagh and Co. Tyrone being one example. The problem I find with the two is the records that aren't there, Fermanagh for instance doesn't start on most websites to 1864 the time of Civil Registration.

It was also rare at this time to have a middle name, also everyone called their children the same names, cousins married cousins, so it is quite confusing and birthdates become really important, except you will often see the same person give a different year in different census. The American records I find are very good compared to others and most everywhere in the Western World 1911 is it, whereas the US is up to 1930 Census.

So don't give up as it gets better and better every year.

I loved Windows 98, so easy and simple to use, the improvements they have made are not.

AC

I went to another posting Fraser/Dewitt and looked at their Griffiths records, part of the land they rented was Mountain - 20 acres. I'm thinking possibly Melic might just be local, and mountains in Ireland are nothing like what we think of mountain, basically to us no more than big hills, I can't think of a comparison but it certainly isn't the Rockies nor the Cascade coast mountains I'm familiar with.
AC

I have searched all the tithes but like I said, he isn't there. Without having a some kind of document that tells us something we have zip. I have been talking with a cousin that has a box of pictures and notes that were from her sister and she hasn't gone through all of it yet. We know that five children were born in Ireland, 3 boys and 2 girls. And possibly a third daughter. I have a John Jr., Richard, William Joseph b: 1827 , Esther [Estha] Jane b: April 1834, Isabella b: August 1839 and Mary Jane b: 16 December 1852.

If, as the story goes. Margaret [Fitzallen] Fleming came to the United States first with children, Mary Jane would have come with her as she was the youngest being born in 1852. Then we come to John Fleming coming after his wife with children.

Mary Jane [Fleming] married Davidson Kincaid Lanier and one of their sons was named John Davidson Fitzallen Lanier. So like you said the mother, Margaret, could have been a Fitz, but where in the world did the [allen] come from.

Thanks for all that you have done, I really appreciate the information.

Kind Regards,
Cheryl

Is the family RC or Protestant. AC

In Louisiana I think they were Catholic.

Cheryl