Hello All,
Could someone look up the full entry for the following household or institution on the 1871 census please?
George Frost
age: 25yrs
born: England
Occ: Private 5th Fusiliers
Place: Harbour Street
Parish: Ayr.
The above info. was a reply that I received on Rootschat but I haven't had a follow up answer with the further details & so I am now wondering if this is 'my' man. The last info. that I have on him prior to this, is that he was in barracks in Colchester, England but there was no regiment entered. So if someone could fill in these missing details for me I would be over the moon as it may help me to locate him in earlier years too.
Thank You & Regards;
Derek
Never Say Die!

Hope this helps...If you'd like I can get more details on the other people listed?

1871 Scotland Census
about George Frost
Name: George Frost
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 578/2
Registration district: Ayr Landward
Civil parish: Ayr
Town: Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Harbour Street Ayr
Occupation: Private 5th Fusiliers
ED: Infantry Barracks Ayr
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_106
Household Members: Name Age
James Allen 18
Robert Auld 22
George Barham 27
Joseph Barker 34
Frank Batchelor 20
George Beistors 31
John Besttie 27
George Bonce 33
Ann Bradley 23
John George Bradley 7
Robert Bradley 32
Henry Branmont 31
John Bright 30
Francis Heatheste Denny Brone 30
Thomas Brookes 18
David Brown 22
James Bull 28
James Burns 19
Edward Cafudy 21
Henry Cairns 19
Stanford Call 26
John Camern 18
Glener Campbell 17
John Campbell 24
Sepe Card 28
Ada Carter 2
Emily Carter 26
Robert Carter 35
Robert Carter 1
Sophia Carwell 22
Thomas Carwell 27
Thomas Cattermole 13
Charles Ceberry 18
John Clarke 21
Reuben Clifford 30
George Colguhoun 19
Thomas Cooper 20
James Coyle 35
William Cranston 25
Jerome Crowley 3
Julia Crowley 2 Mo
Mary Ann Crowley 31
Mary Ann Crowley 1
Patrick Crowley 34
John Dawson 22
John Dewyer 27
John Dillon 21
Dennis Doyle 21
Frances L Edwards 21
Frances L Edwards 1
Joshua Edwards 28
Joshua W Edwards 3
Thomas Edwards 37
John Faulkner 29
George Fireman 20
Frederick Arthur Forsyth 31
Thomas Foy 19
John French 15
George Frost 25
Alexander Gadar 24
William Gaty 25
Robert Greenhorn 29
John Hare 32
Henry Harris 23
Charles George Heatheste 27
William Hudson 29
Edwin Jackson 20
Edward Jagnes 20
James Kitson 22
William Bevington Knox 31
William Forth Laughorne 32
Thomas Lynch 33
John Madigan 29
Samuel Martin 19
Bridget McMahon 9
Emma McMahon 3
Esther McMahon 29
John McMahon 5
Matthew McMahon 33
Robert James McMahon 5 Mo
Frank Mills 27
Peter Pembroke 19
Charles Placcham 20
Henry Plumb 22
Charles Frederick Polloch 26
John Renfell 20
Myddleton Westensa Riddelph 21
Frederick Rose 30
George Rowden 20
Henry Senior 20
David Simpson 36
John Sirkiss 28
John Johnson Smith 19
John Solkhead 24
James Strong 19
James Thompson 19
John Townsend 30
Samuel Turner 33
David Urquhart 19

Hi Nicky,
Thanks for that. Someone else sent me this info. too.
Is the commanding officer listed anywhere in the barracks or in a house nearby? The reason that I'm asking is that there were various regiments with 5th Fusiliers in their title, over the years & the usual way of keeping track of their movements is by the CO's name. They might for example be refered to as Grays Fenceables or something like that. Which, in turn becomes shortened, in some cases to e.g. Gray's. So having this info. can be very, very useful.
Thank You Again:
Regards;
Derek

Hi Derek,

I'm a little fuzzy on the hierarchy in the military. I'm guessing a sargeant trumps a lieutenant and a corporal since there's a few lieutenants and corporals listed?

Name: Robert Bradley
Occupation: Sergeant 5th Fusiliers

None of them are actually listed as commanding officer. Also none listed as Grays [Fenceables] or anything close to that. I'm not sure how to search the census record for nearby houses.

Sorry I couldn't help more.
Nicky

Hi Nicky,
Thanks for that. The army officers ranks start from the bottom with a lance corporal, corporal, sergeant, sergeant major,lieutenant, captain, major, general & field marshall. The Commanding Officer of a unit at a barracks would probably be either a lieutenant or a captain unless they were involved in some type of war or battle when he would be higher up the ladder; usually a general. Other houses in the censuses will just be on either the preceding or following pages after those that you've already found. If you haven't got time it doesn't matter. I'm very grateful for what you have already found for me. Thank You!
Regards;
Derek

Hi Derek,

There were at least 2 or 3 lieutenants listed on this particular census record so I'd have to guess there was a captain in one of the other households. I found this record on ancestry.ca, which doesn't seem to allow me to check the previous or next page on the census record. I'll see if maybe I can search by addresses.

I don't know if you are interested, but you can find those records at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/. The only thing is this is a pay-per-view site so could start getting costly trying to find the record you need.

Cheers!
Nicky

Hi Nicky,
Thankyou for trying. I'll have a go on the Scotland website to see what I can find.
Regards;
Derek

1871 Scotland Census 1871 Scotland Census
Name: George Frost
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 578/2
Registration district: Ayr Landward
Civil parish: Ayr
Town: Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Harbour Street Ayr
Occupation: Private 5th Fusiliers
ED: Infantry Barracks Ayr
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_106
Household Members: Name Age
James Allen 18
Robert Auld 22
George Barham 27
Joseph Barker 34
Frank Batchelor 20
George Beistors 31
John Besttie 27
George Bonce 33
Ann Bradley 23
John George Bradley 7
Robert Bradley 32
Henry Branmont 31
John Bright 30
Francis Heatheste Denny Brone 30
Thomas Brookes 18
David Brown 22
James Bull 28
James Burns 19
Edward Cafudy 21
Henry Cairns 19
Stanford Call 26
John Camern 18
Glener Campbell 17
John Campbell 24
Sepe Card 28
Ada Carter 2
Emily Carter 26
Robert Carter 35
Robert Carter 1
Sophia Carwell 22
Thomas Carwell 27
Thomas Cattermole 13
Charles Ceberry 18
John Clarke 21
Reuben Clifford 30
George Colguhoun 19
Thomas Cooper 20
James Coyle 35
William Cranston 25
Jerome Crowley 3
Julia Crowley 2 Mo
Mary Ann Crowley 31
Mary Ann Crowley 1
Patrick Crowley 34
John Dawson 22
John Dewyer 27
John Dillon 21
Dennis Doyle 21
Frances L Edwards 21
Frances L Edwards 1
Joshua Edwards 28
Joshua W Edwards 3
Thomas Edwards 37
John Faulkner 29
George Fireman 20
Frederick Arthur Forsyth 31
Thomas Foy 19
John French 15
George Frost 25
Alexander Gadar 24
William Gaty 25
Robert Greenhorn 29
John Hare 32
Henry Harris 23
Charles George Heatheste 27
William Hudson 29
Edwin Jackson 20
Edward Jagnes 20
James Kitson 22
William Bevington Knox 31
William Forth Laughorne 32
Thomas Lynch 33
John Madigan 29
Samuel Martin 19
Bridget McMahon 9
Emma McMahon 3
Esther McMahon 29
John McMahon 5
Matthew McMahon 33
Robert James McMahon 5 Mo
Frank Mills 27
Peter Pembroke 19
Charles Placcham 20
Henry Plumb 22
Charles Frederick Polloch 26
John Renfell 20
Myddleton Westensa Riddelph 21
Frederick Rose 30
George Rowden 20
Henry Senior 20
David Simpson 36
John Sirkiss 28
John Johnson Smith 19
John Solkhead 24
James Strong 19
James Thompson 19
John Townsend 30
Samuel Turner 33
David Urquhart 19




Source Citation: Parish: Ayr; ED: Infantry Barracks Ayr; Line: 6; Year: 1871.

Hi Robert,
Thanks for that. I have already been sent this info. from Nicky but thank you for taking the trouble.
Regards;
Derek

This is the exact same list that I have...but it doesn't help me much. My ancestor is on this list (Dillon), but what I want to know is more about the 5th Fusiliers and I can't seem to correctly identify exactly who they were in 1871. Not knowing this makes it difficult to track my ancestor.
If anyone has any info (that's easy to understand) I'd surely appreciate being pointed in the right direction. What I'm finding online are mixed facts and overlapping dates...lots of non-solid facts.

Thank you!