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Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

ewtemple — 2009-11-26 16:01:26Z

I'm thinking #2 is right.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

swankeeper — 2009-11-11 02:20:17Z

I also found this strange occurrence in my tree, crawfords started in the 1080 and it continued to 1780

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

jrlovell42 — 2009-11-02 23:13:46Z

It is quite strange that so many people have ancestors that wound up buried in Y, Somme, Picardie, France. Provided my findings are accurate, both my great-grandmother and one of her daughters were buried in Y. Must be one heck of a large cemetery.

Jim Lovell

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

davidchurchill162 — 2009-10-25 08:53:48Z

Me too it is very stors as many of my ancestors including a woman died there.

Cherche les noms Bodegom et Germain

fjvanbodegom — 2009-10-04 09:39:19Z

Sorry for my mistakes in French

Je cherche information additionel: Henri Pieter van Bodegom, nee 27 janvier 1881 Rembang, Java. Marriage 12 octobre 1912 St Just Marais (Beauvais) avec Marcelle Louise German, nee 9 octobre 1886 Algiers.
Demeurant en Paris 1927: Rue Louis Morard 35, 4e arr, Paris.

Demande: date decedee ? ?, enfants ? ?

TGI COMPIEGNE

patrickmoutin — 2009-09-15 17:32:49Z

J'ai demandé au TGI de Compiègne copie d'un jugement de divrce de 1904. Le TGI me renvoit aux AD de Beauvais qui me disent que l'incendie de 1940 à fait disparaître les archives de 1834 à 1940.
Que dois-je faire ? Retour sur le TGI ?

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

awgilroy — 2009-09-09 17:02:25Z

I have a Nancy Estep, of NC, USA, born 1770, who died there.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

JanieJoanna — 2009-09-08 04:38:50Z

Many of my ancestors are listed to have died here as well. I am thinking that this must be some sort of mistake - I am sure all my ancestors from Staffordshire didn't go to this French town to die! :) The theory that a "y" meaning "yes" in a death field has gotten picked up and changed to Y, Somme sounds reasonable to me.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

jthomson149 — 2009-09-07 15:47:58Z

I think the poster who pointed to the possibility that "Yes" could somehow get picked up as "Y" through the Ancestry software is on the right track. I have Higgins and Weatherbees in 1700's Nova Scotia with the place of death listed as "Y, Somme..." and the evidence throughout this thread suggests that many others from many places and times have this same anomaly, so I'm definitely removing this data from my tree until firm documentation surfaces to confirm this.

I know how easy it is to accidentally pick the wrong location from the list offered by the software - I've done it myself when I'm tired and found it in many other trees, when comparing persons I am sure were born in a town in the UK or Canada, but the same village name with a US location shows up in another person's tree.

As fantastic as it is to share and access so much genealogical data through computers, it also can be a real curse when we get into such large amounts of data that we can't verify the documentation for each person in a methodical way. Glad to see others have been wrestling with the same situation. I suggest we put "Y, Somme" to bed until better evidence is unearthed.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

raszczurek — 2009-09-05 20:22:56Z

I like this theory. There are way too many incidences scattered all through time and from all over the world.
I suspect that GEDCOM files sometimes insert symbols and could misinterpet information.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

raszczurek — 2009-09-05 20:16:36Z

They are really helpfull at selling new software aren't they. They're also good at incompatable updates which of course prompts you to purchase new versions.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

FarrisGP — 2009-09-04 07:19:56Z

The "Y, Somme, Picardie" anomaly is one that I have repeatedly encountered for more than a year. However, I only found this Board today. Since my discovery I've scoured the 30-some postings and have been impressed by the creative thought contained there.

As for the suppositions offered on the "Y, Somme, Picardie" anomaly I will readily concede that there exists a modicum of just plain sloppy work in not checking on auto fill features, and perhaps more likely, downloading entries without paying much attention to them. In that regard, the "error" will be compounded overtime — hampered only by those amongst us who, like myself, delete the offending entry when we find it in the Place of Death field.

Alarmingly, when returning to individual records upon which I was working I have found the "Y, Somme, Picardie" anomaly in Place of Death field where previously the field was blank. Yes, the anomaly could have been entered by another member. However, I don't recall reading of a single instance where someone intentionally recorded "Y, Somme, Picardie, France" in a Place of Death field.

Why don't we also find a certain number of instances of "Y, Somme, Picardie, France" in Place of Birth fields? After all there must have been some support in this obscure village to service to the deluges of tubercular patients streaming like lemmings, or the legion of fallen soldiers? Both possibilities suggested by well-intentioned members groping for an explanation to this troubling anomaly.

We are finding this inexplicable anomaly across the board. From medieval Britons, to colonial Virginians, rural Kentuckians, and merchants in China! What I've learned on this Board only confirms my conclusions. While I am unable to compile empirical data to support these conclusions we are faced with a seemingly random pattern where "Y, Somme, Picardie, France" is entered only in the Place of Death field, not Place of Birth, or Place of Marriage fields.

There would seem to be only two alternatives which would fit the "Y, Somme, Picardie" anomaly. Either there is a bug in Ancestry's software, or someone has hacked their code and planted the anomaly. What was it that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's greatest character told us? "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

It is difficult for us to completely eliminate the impossible. That is the responsibility of Ancestry. If someone has hacked-in and planted this anomaly, however irritating, it points to a weakness in system security that could be exploited by a hacker who is less playful and more destructive. In this scenario subscribers data could be compromised, or deleted.

With Ancestry's system security at stake I find their banal and benign responses reported on this Board to be recklessly cavalier. Come on people, subscribers are going to have to wake-up and smell the coffee! We need to write Ancestry and hold them to a higher standard of care and responsiveness. I'm registering my concern tonight.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

kaethemaguire — 2009-09-01 01:47:28Z

Well, now I know I am not nuts! I went on line to google Y Somme Picardie because it kept popping up as a place of death for some very ancient ancestors and it didn't make sense! I just wanted to know where the place was. I am also getting those "Indiana 1612" type death dates . This almost sounds like a virus or something. This is a new problem for me, but I am relieved to know it is happening to others. Have much editing to do as a result.
The TB hospital does make some sense, but what a distance to go. I have to believe that 'unknown' has been some how translated as the "Y" and then auto links to Somme Picardie. Just too bizarre that it is happening to so many of us.

auxenfans family tree

patlangford1 — 2009-08-24 15:22:02Z

I am looking for any information on the family of Honore Bernard Simon Aux enfans married to Marie Francoise Despagne in the commune of Puiseux-en-Retz Aisne Thank You.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

maybelle0101 — 2009-08-19 05:27:28Z

Here's your answer:

http://www.placesinfrance.com/picardie_history.html
http://www.french-property.com/regions/picardie/history/
http://flagspot.net/flags/fr-pi.html

The area was owned by England during the medieval era and the area is known for its battles.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

DarcyBaker79 — 2009-08-17 20:20:49Z

Another thing I am noticing is there are all sorts of commas out of place, so it must be sloppy work . . . . I wonder why?

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

maybelle0101 — 2009-08-17 20:19:14Z

I think you are on the right track. There was probably some sloppy genie work but this area could have been a sight of major battle. Also, if nobility married daughters to make alliances they would die in this region.

Just some thoughts. BTW I am just starting out with genie research and I have notice a bit of sloppy record keeping. Try chasing down Touchin or Jouchin Hogle...it's Jouchin as best that I can determine.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

DarcyBaker79 — 2009-08-12 23:43:23Z

I have the same issue with my ancestors either being born or dying there. They were Scottish, Irish, and Welsh. Here is my theory.

The name 'Picardie' applied, in the Middle Ages, to more or less the whole of the north of France: Calais and Boulogne, and even parts of Belgium, were considered 'Picard' towns. Picardy contains a large amount of rich woodlands — around a million acres. They are the vestiges of medieval royal hunting grounds, and still contain deer and wild boar. Picardy also claims the village with the shortest name — Y.

France and Scotland have a long history of alliance against England. After the Norman invasion (1066), there were many Normans in England. People came to think of them as less harsh than the Angles and Saxons, and even began speaking French.

Then you have the gothic cathedrals! Many of the superior craftsmen, especially skilled masons, were traveling back and forth to and from France.

Later on we have the Hundred Years War, with more travel back and forth. This is Northern France, near the English Channel, and perhaps they were landing there and had places that were friendly to those fromt eh British Isles where English would have been spoken and such.

Just my thought.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

debechemode — 2009-08-11 01:46:31Z

Hi all - I have come across a few different sources that show this as the location of vast military cemeteries going back ages - I don't know if this accounts for all of the hits we're getting, but certainly applies to some/most ...

Someone also mentioned instances of ancestors in "Europe, Indiana" or "died 1503 Jacksonville FL" and so forth - often this is due to the site offering prompts to pre-fill fields. One person slips while entering the info, and everyone who adopts that info takes on the same error (I believe someone said basically the same thing in an earlier post).

:)

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-08-06 17:11:07Z

Touche'

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

coz3001 — 2009-08-05 16:23:34Z

It also could be a trick that preys on laziness. It starts getting hard to trace ancestors when you get back to very old times. If just one person out there started making up information, when another person doing there tree came upon it they might just copy it to their tree, over and over again until someone now might go to it, and see that 10 others have the info on their trees. Over and over again this type of erroneous information would spread. An lie repeatedly copied would eventually appear to be truth. And it would all be based on people being too lazy, and too cheap to get actual documentation of each and every ancestor, but instead relying on others who have 'done the work'. Kind of like kids cheating on a test and everyone gets the same questions wrong.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-08-04 15:42:49Z

Nice thought, but my relatives who "supposedly" died their were women, from Virginia, in the 1800's. I got no help from Ancestry, either, except to sell me their world version software, which I hate. So I am giving up on this. Good luck. Marcy

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

iannterry — 2009-08-03 21:16:24Z

Yes - it must be some feature in Ancestry that appends town, county/state and country to an entry that just says "Y" which some people have recorded against "Death". "Y" is a valid town name in France, so the rest of it gets appended. I have a large family tree of people that I KNOW lived and died entirely in the UK but very often I get matches with a US county/state/USA where the same town name exists in the UK and the USA - a common occurrence with so many settlers naming a town after where they came from. It just has to be edited out when you copy in that record from someone else's tree.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

maryeedwards85 — 2009-08-03 00:40:50Z

I have a load of ancestors dying there also--some from Scandinavian Countries. I have two hypotheses:

1) the place was a battleground for a number of years (Accd to Britanica.com: "The dukes of Burgundy acquired Ponthieu, the Somme towns, and Montdidier under the Treaty of Arras in 1435. Reconquered for France by Louis XI in 1477, Picardy was thereafter a frontier area invaded frequently from the Habsburg Netherlands until the French acquisition of Artois and southern Hainaut in 1659."

2) One very tired but dogged researcher put Y, Somme, Picardie, France when the answer should have been "unknown."

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-07-24 18:11:43Z

Well, Ancestry did get in touch with me, today, but only to tel me they don't validate any of the data, so beware what you download from other people's trees! Has anyone tried to contact a historian in this town? Has anyone found any corroborating documentation about these deaths in France?
I don't speak a word of French, so I can't do much, unless someone can translate for me.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

rockcats — 2009-07-24 15:35:44Z

I haven't tried to find the death certificates but I did find an article at About.com on how to go about getting the records from France - http://genealogy.about.com/od/france/a/french_ancestry_2.htm

personally, I believe that the majority of my ancestors that have Y,Somme,... as their place of death, have that indication as an error rather than the result of having died in a sanatorium as others in this thread believe but I am doing more research to confirm.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-07-23 16:19:19Z

Have you all (later entrants) read my guess, back aways? I think it was a sanitarium for consumption patients. That is what they called Tuberculosis, back then. That is consistant with Lincoln's son's diagnosis, as well. I specifically requested that Ancestry.com address this issue with us, but they have not responded. I've had a problem with them about other corrections, in the past. Our complaints don't seem to be high on their priority list!

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

pennelaine — 2009-07-23 00:17:36Z

I believe you win the prize! People have downloaded their tree information, and ancestry.com has "read" it as Y - which they have listed in Somme, Picardie, France. I wasn't sure about my own relatives moving there from New York. However, I was looking up William Lincoln, who died in the White House in February of 1862....and I'll be darned if it didn't list Y, Somme, Picardie, France!!
There is a whole other thread of people listing other anomalies and complaints made about this kind of problem, but no answers listed from ancestry.com.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

pennelaine — 2009-07-22 20:10:48Z

And I thought it was just me who was crazy. Perhaps there was a foreign office to which members of my family were assigned during the 1700's, as they reappeared in NY a couple generations later. Or maybe it was just a great place to escape then, as it is now.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

majickbug76 — 2009-07-18 19:00:36Z

That could be, however, Y is a real village in France, I did look it up. Yes, all the records would probably be in French, if they still exist. As of 2000, the population of Y was 89 and I had come across some pictures of the village, it is a really cute village in Picardie providence. Very rural.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

rockcats — 2009-07-17 23:15:31Z

This has bothered me as well. I just found on google a different geneology website using different software. On that site, instead of Y, Somme, Picardie, France; the indication for dead was Yes, date unknown. I am thinkning that when someone imported their tree from an outside software that "Yes, date unknown" got translated into Ancestory.com as "Y, Somme, Picardie, France".

I have hundreds of people on my tree going back to the 800's with Y, Somme, Picardie, France as the place of death, much more popular than any other place for my ancestors to die.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

kfoster183 — 2009-07-17 20:09:12Z

I also have a relative who someone on a family tree has listed as dying in Y, Somme, Picardie, France. I have not yet proved this to be true by finding a death certificate. Does anyone know how to find death certificates or registers for this area. Will they be written in French? Thanks for any help.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-07-17 19:05:45Z

Now that read all these notes from others, I am beginning to wonder if, perhaps, it was a "spa" or infirmary of some sort, where people went, who were seriously ill. It seems that everyone who went there, died there!?? Was their something going around in the mid-1800's in Virginia? My relatives were all women, English, born in VA. 1790-1830

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

marcymagatelli61 — 2009-07-17 18:55:40Z

Mine, Too! All my McGhee women in the early to mid-1800's moved from Pittsylvnia/Bedford area, VA. to this town in france. WHY???

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

stefpearson1 — 2009-07-17 17:26:25Z

Hi, I've found that around 20 of my ancestors ranging from 1100 to about 1850 died in Y, Somme, Picardie. I know that it was held as a fief by the English, from around the mid 1200s to the mid 1300s, which may explain why so many English went there.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

tonikindrick79 — 2009-07-06 18:28:42Z

I'm having this issue as well. My surname attached to the area is: Mueller and Rupper or Rupp. I haven't tracked back married children from those two lines to find out if they also died there, but I have found a good many of their children did. Very strange to find we're all having this issue. Mine's not even telling me a date when they died, just that it was there.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

jones1101 — 2009-06-25 14:09:41Z

Same problem. It might help to know if we all happen to be researching the same ancestors in which case the result just might be anomalous. But if we are all have different ancestors than something more general is probably going on. Here is my list of surnames buried in Y: DeBeresby, Parre, Biset and DeCany.

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

jones1101 — 2009-06-25 14:09:04Z

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

allyn211 — 2009-06-03 00:36:36Z

Here's a Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y,_Somme

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

majickbug76 — 2009-05-25 02:25:18Z

I'm still working on my family tree and still finding ancestors who have died in Y, France. It is a real place, it is now a small village in the providence of Picardie, just near the northern coast of France. Last census only showed about 89 inhabitants at this time.

There has to be some sort of link....

Leza

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

sshepard7a — 2009-05-25 01:59:13Z

Yes, I've seen such errors as 1254, Florida!!!! In this case, however, looking at the map, Y is close to the French
coast and high born Welch and English people went back and forth to France frequently. I'm wondering if it was what we would call a resort, or if it was a second home to many with French blood, as many of my ancestors had. Just a theory... Thanks for your input. Let's keep it going if either of us learns something!

Susan

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

slloydschulz — 2009-05-25 01:47:01Z

I am noticing the same thing and I have to believe this is erroneous . . . but how did it get there? Also, I have come across quite a few ridiculous locations, e.g. place of death in 1254 listed as Delaware or Florida! Clearly in error, so I just remove those words and then have to leave the place of death blank. Or sometimes the place of death (all in Europe) will be listed with the erroneous information afterwards, e.g. Calais, Delaware, USA so I drop off the Delaware, USA part. Any ideas?

Re: Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

sshepard7a — 2009-04-27 03:44:48Z

I have the same question. Many of my Welsh ancestors died in Y, and I wonder why. If you find any information, I would greatly appreciate your sharing! My regular email is susanshepard@bresnan.net.

Many thanks.

Re: CHARLES CRONIER, CRONNIER, CRONIA, CRONEA B 1805

fishermandunn — 2009-04-18 21:28:04Z

My grandmother was Emeline Bellar the daughter of Noah Bellar and Mahalia Cronea . Let me know info you have . James Dunn . e-mail fishermandunn@yahoo.com .

Re: CHARLES CRONIER, CRONNIER, CRONIA, CRONEA B 1805

fishermandunn — 2009-04-18 21:19:34Z

I am also a direct decendant of Charles Cronea . My grandmother was Emeline Bellar who was the daughter of Noah Bellar and Mahalia Cronea . Let me hear from you . My e-mail is fishermandunn@yahoo.com . Thanks James Dunn .

Re: CHARLES CRONIER, CRONNIER, CRONIA, CRONEA B 1805

babyboots9 — 2009-04-10 07:39:31Z

I am also doing research on Charles Cronea, he was my gg grandfather. His daughter Miltida married Fransuar Revier, there son Charles f Reviea was my great grandfather, my grandfather was Charles William Reviea and my mother was Mary Alice Reviea.
The name Reviea has many different spellings and it looks like Cronea has many different ones too.
I have the Revieas only as far back as Fransuar.

Y, Somme, Picardie, France?

majickbug76 — 2009-03-29 05:39:23Z

I have found that a number of my ancestors died in this small French village and I'm trying to find out more information about it aside from what's in Wikipedia. Why did so many end up there? The span goes from the 1100s-1800s and there are many surnames.

Re: CHARLES CRONIER, CRONNIER, CRONIA, CRONEA B 1805

richandrews1970 — 2009-03-29 03:00:20Z

Please reply. Charles Cronia was my Great Great Great Grandfather. I do know a little info about him, but would would love to find out more. He sailed over to America with pirate Jean Lafitte at age 12-13 as his cabin boy. Charles now has a historical marker on his grave site. Charles is now RIP in High Island cemetary Along with my Grandfather, Great Grandmother Mary Cartlidge Rivea, who cooked cook her ass off at the High Island Cafe.

Re: LEDUC - HAUTION

rogerdehart58 — 2009-03-20 03:14:23Z

Bon Jour Angelica:

I received your posting. It is surprising that after 8 yrs items that one posts is still available and active on the Internet.

My Aunt Edna (LeDuc) Wiggins was very involved in genealogy. She did it the old fashion way (letters, 3x5 cards, post-it-notes, etc.). She got me interested and her sister Nina LeDuc married by dad, Lowell De Hart. I have done the De Hart genealogy by computer and have obtained a lot of info. as the De Harts' arrived in New Amsterdam, NY in the 1660s.

Aunt Edna had some correspondence with distant cousins back in France but not much genealogical information was provided. My great-grandfather, Isidore Ector LeDuc, Sr. came to the US in 1852. I do have sketchy info. back 5 generations in France (to 1730).

It would be totally awesome to obtain additional info. as my Aunt Edna is now 90 yrs old and in a nursing home. It would make her extremely happy, to say the least.

I can send you what I have and you could go over it to see if you could add anything.

It would be greatly appreciated.

My email address is STRAYKIKI@cebridge.net.

Roger

Re: LEDUC - HAUTION

angelbocq — 2009-03-19 00:34:52Z

hi ! I just find your message about your queries for Leduc familly in Haution / Picardie / France. It's very late, but have you got any informations about this familly ?
If not, I can help you cause I have all documents concerning this village, since 1669.
So if you need my help, you're welcome.
Angelica Bocquet