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Question How did previous researchers tie these people together

arney9thgeneration — 2012-02-05 17:32:07Z

I have a Q? for anyone willing to answer.

How did previous Arney surname family researchers "tie" these people together?
(because, at this point, truly, I don't know)

How did they know, that . . .

Jacob Arney and Anna Ursula Kron, were the parents of:
Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr. (1755-1834)
Adam "Lawerence" Arney (1751-1802)
Johann Heinrich "Henry" Arney, Sr. (1755-1830)
Anna Elisabeth Arney-Setser/Setzer (1761-1849)

What documentation (or as I refer to it, "DTP" Definitive Tangible Proof) did they find that led them to these conclusions?

Jacob Arney and Elizabeth (surname/maiden name, unconfirmed), were the parents of:
Peter Arney (1772-1845)
Catherine Arney-Edleman (1774-????)

Until the 1850 US Federal Census, as a research tool, the names of individuals in a "household" were not individually mentioned (yes, we all know this)

So, how did they know:

Peter Arney and Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown), were the parents of:
Margaret Arney (1793-????)
Adam Arney (1797-1870)
Henry Arney (1799-????)
John Arney (1802-1880)
Hiram Arney (1804-????)
Lucretia Arney (1805-????)
William Arney (1815-1880)
Matthew Arney (1818-1902)
James Arney (1822-1865)
Hardy Arney (1827-1880)

After all, Peter Arney died in 1845, 5 years before the 1850 US Federal Census.

Henry Arney (1799-????), can "supposedly" be found in the 1830 & 1840 Census, but disappears after that (meaning he can't be found, anywhere).

Hiram Arney (1804-????), cannot be found in any Tennessee Census, so where did he go after his fathers, Peter's, death?

Q? How did these early Arney family researchers (and I'm talking about a few that did research in the 1950's, like Ms. Edna Williams) fit or tie these people together, to believe they were part of the same family?

I mean, I'm just as guilty as many researchers out there, in this regard, in what I term, "Stand on the shoulders of Others" researching. Meaning, simply "accepting" that these people knew what they researched and were talking about, therefore I can build upon their research to continue mine.

Can someone explain to me, how they were able to tie these people together?

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Re: George William Arney

jeannie189185 — 2011-10-24 16:43:12Z

George W.(H.) Arney son of David Arney and Salvina (also known as Savina, Lavina, Vina, Viney) Tucker.

George born July 11, 1818 NC d: April 18, 1892 married to Elizabeth M. Freeman who was born 8 Mar 1819 NC d: 1 Jan 1897 Harrison County, MO both are buried in Cat Creek Cemetery Harrison County, MO

George moved to TN between 1850-1852 then to Harrison County MO between 1855-1857

Children of George and Elizabeth
Jesse N. B. 1843 NC
James A. 1845 NC m:Dicea Ann V McLaughlin
David L. 1850 NC
John C. 1852 TN m:Louica unknown
William Wayne 1855 TN m: Mary Lovell
Tennessee 1857 Mt. Pleasant, MO

David Arney b:@1776 Burke County, NC d:aft 1870 m:5 Oct 1816 Burke County,NC to Salvina (nee:Tucker) Wood b:1796 NC d:aft 1850

There is no definite proof but David is believed to be the son of Adam Lawrence Arney and Catherine Lutz.

Some people say that Vina is the daughter of George Tucker and Nancy Hartley. This vina died in 1860 in Mississippi and there is no proof found yet she is our vina.

children of David and Salvina
David L. 11 Dec 1817 Burke County, NC m Martha R.Freeman
(my line)
George (above)
John Wesley 1823 NC m: Mary Wilburn
James A. 1824
Catherine 1825 m: unknown Allen
Celia 1834 m: Rufus Wilburn

Re: Autosomal DNA

pkwilliams823 — 2011-09-07 03:14:19Z

None needed, I appreciate the help :) I should probably go back to the link and contact the project manager :)

Since I have you, I noticed you had posted about a year ago in search of some Tennessee wills. I thought I'd mention, in case you haven't discovered it since, that the Family Search site has some state/county records & indexes that I hadn't seen elsewhere. It has a lot of North Carolina probate records, for example. I did check on the Tennessee wills, and a brief check of the Will books in Overton County did not indicate any Arneys, alas. But I'll mention it nonetheless.

I always knew the LDS was a great resource for records in microfilm form, but had more or less forgotten about or didn't even know about their digitized records until recently. So in case you or anyone reading this had the same thoughts, you might want to check out the site again :)

-Paula

Re: Autosomal DNA

arney9thgeneration — 2011-09-07 02:04:41Z

My apologies.

Re: Autosomal DNA

pkwilliams823 — 2011-09-07 01:01:47Z

Thanks, but I knew there was a Y-DNA project (male ONLY), but I was wondering if anyone had begun a project for the newer autosomal test.

Re: Autosomal DNA

arney9thgeneration — 2011-09-06 21:23:57Z

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Arney

Try this place.

Autosomal DNA

pkwilliams823 — 2011-09-06 07:48:03Z

Have any of you Arney folks done the "Family Finder" / autosomal DNA tests? Is there a project for the autosomal DNA?

Thanks!

-Paula Williams, descendant of John Esley Arney

Rector Arney of Bluefield, WV 1943

drbrownlee — 2011-08-18 03:12:45Z

Rector is pictured in the 43-B class flight yearbook of Lubbock Army Air Field in Lubbock, Texas. He is a flight cadet. I'm not kin but thought this might help someone researching the family.

Re: Reuben Henry Arney/Earney

khajwa2 — 2011-08-12 01:41:32Z

I am also having a time with Reuben Henry Arney. I could get my DAR papers if I could find a will that shows him being John E. Arney's heir, but he is in hiding! Have you found anything your post. Katrina Avery

Re: Arney, Buford Y.

Charles_Hinman — 2011-08-03 01:45:08Z

Please contact me regarding your granduncle and the crew of USS Capelin.

Charles Hinman
info@OnEternalPatrol.com

William Lincoln Arney

jeanglisson37 — 2011-07-29 20:24:17Z

Please share with me information on any of his ancestors.

Re: James Madison Arney

libbylu722 — 2011-07-22 05:50:43Z

I am interested in knowing more about your great grandfather. My family name on my mother's side is Arney and I have traced roots back to the 1700's - Jacob Arney, born 1728 and died 1782. He married Elizabeth Hall (born 1731 and died 1782) and married Anna Ursala Kron (born 1730 and died 1761) in 1748. With the two wifes, he had a ton of kids and I'm wondering if your great-grandfather is related somehow. I am really wanting to find Jacob's parents as it is said we originated from Ireland but I cannot find the connection except that there is a town in Ireland called "Arney." It is rumored that an Arney in Ireland married a Meade, immigranted to the US and that the Meade she married is related to General George Meade from the Civil War. Can you provide any information? Thank you. Jill

James Madison Arney

marreal — 2011-07-22 05:50:16Z

My Great Grandfather's name is James Madison Arney.
In the 1910 McCurtain County OK census his name was listed as Armey. Just a typo.
Just a thought!

Re: Jacob Arney

arney9thgeneration — 2011-07-19 03:46:21Z

I would be very interested in what information you have.

Re: Jacob Arney m. Elizabeth Hall

arney9thgeneration — 2011-07-19 03:44:37Z

May I ask what information you have on Jacob Arney and Elizabeth Hall?

Re: Mary Magdalene Arney m. John H. Hauser

arney9thgeneration — 2011-07-19 03:42:20Z

May I please see, what information you have on Jacob Arney and Anna Ursula Kron?

Re: Sarah Arney

arney9thgeneration — 2011-07-19 03:12:58Z

Have you learned anything more on the Sarah "Sallie" Patrick issue?

My "best guess" is, that Matthew Arney, Sr. married Sarah "Sallie" Pharris (Farris) first, and that she died young, then he married Sarah "Sallie" Patrick later.

I cannot confirm either of these marriages, due to the loss of early marriage records, with the burning of the Overton County Courthouse, at the end of the Civil War, in 1865.

Also, I have been unable to find Matthew Arney, Sr. in any 1850 US Federal Census.

Re: ARNEY/VOLCK

arney9thgeneration — 2011-07-17 01:16:54Z

Wow, now that's a "leap" I haven't seen, until now.

From what has been learned about Jacob Arney (circa 1729-1782), he was "possibly" from Switzerland.
His first wife, was Anna Ursula Kron, who may have died between 1761-1767. Jacob Arney's second wife, Elizabeth (maiden name/surname, unconfirmed), was the name of his wife, at the time of the writing of his Will, in 1782.

Sounds like, Johann Heinrich "Henry" Arney, Sr. and his wife, died pretty close together, he died in September 1830.

Re: ARNEY/VOLCK

libbylu722 — 2011-07-16 23:56:25Z

Also, regarding John Henry Jr Arney, he was married to Polly (Brush 1802-1862) in 1833. His first wife was Elizabeth Lee (1787-1827). Do you know if there was a third wife? I'm trying to figure out where "Barbara Franklin" fits in if at all. Thanks.

Re: ARNEY/VOLCK

libbylu722 — 2011-07-16 23:46:52Z

You have no idea how excited I am to find your post. My ancestors are the Arney's and I've been trying to find Henry and Maria's children, which you provided. Thank you. I have that Henry Arney (born Heinrich) was born 1755 and died 1830 and he married Maria Magdalena in June 1775 (Maria was born 1755 and died approximately 11-9-1830). I also have records of their son Jacob being married to two women at the same time and who their children are. What I am looking for is who is Jacob's parents and did they originate from Ireland? Thanks!

Loren W. Arney in San Angelo, TX 1942

drbrownlee — 2011-07-11 04:20:41Z

Loren is pictured in the 1942 yearbook of the San Angelo (TX) Army Air Field, Bombardier School. I'm not kin but thought his might help someone researching the family.

Re: Laurence Arney ...

laura_arney — 2011-07-07 23:14:28Z

Marlene,
Please email me at lauraarney@hotmail.com. I would like to get copies of the pictures you have of Lewis Franklin's house. I don't have an account with Ancestry at the moment so I can't look the information up on there.

Thanks,
Laura

Re: Laurence Arney ...

MarleneOdleKemp62 — 2011-07-07 20:20:21Z

Laura, I was so excited to find your post about Uncle Thomas Earl. I had a lot of stuff on him, but your information helped alot. My husband, Bill, found Lewis Franklin in Lincoln County, TN. I've posted photos of his house on Swan Creek Road, Lincoln Co., TN on ancestry. com. I've found his ancestry from North Carolina. It has been fun. You are welcome to look at my research. Marlene Odle-Kemp, married to William T. Kemp (Odle-Kemp). His mother was Martha Bell whose father was Thomas Franlin.
Marlene

Some arney genealogy research questions

arney9thgeneration — 2011-06-15 21:56:11Z

Fellow Arney researchers,
I have a few Q? for you, if I may.

Can anyone explain to me, where the information about Peter Arney, moving to the area of Wythe County, Virginia, marrying Margaret (surname/maiden name, unknown), and began having his children, came from, is there any such documentation that exists?

Does anyone know, what happened, to Peter's sons, Henry and Hiram (2/3's of the trio, that received Peter Arney's land and property), after they received it? Where did they go, do they appear on any US Federal Census, after 1840, anywhere? Do they appear anywhere (ex. land deals, tax lists, etc.)?

Was William Arney, who appears on the 1840 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County, one of Peter Arney's children (who later moved to Randolph County, Illinois)?

Can anyone explain, what happened to most of the Arney's, from the Overton County, Tennessee area, in the 1850 US Federal Census?

Can someone, please tell me, what happened to Matthew Arney, Sr.'s son, Cullom Arney? He appears on the 1860 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County, living with his father, Matthew, Sr. (aka Madison), then simply disappears. Was Cullom involved in the American Civil War, and killed during battle?

Can someone explain to me, how many wives did Matthew Arney, Sr. have (1/2)?
All this time, all the information I have seen, stated that Matthew Arney, Sr.'s wife's name was Sarah "Sallie" Farris. However, upon finding the death certificate, of Matthew, Sr.'s youngest son, Jefferson Davis Arney, it lists his parents as Matthew Arney, born in Lillydale, TN, and Sallie Patrick, born in Lillydale, TN.

Looking at the 1860 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County
We find Madison (aka Matthew) 43, Sarah 35, Dianah 24, Cullom 22, Irvin 18, John 16, Sarah 13, Anna 11, Mary 8, Matterson (aka Matthew), twin 8, Jonah (aka Josiah), twin 8, Amanda 3, and Janthey 3/12.

If Sarah, was the birth mother of Dianah & Cullom, and all three ages are correct, Sarah would have been 11 years old, when Dianah was born, and 13 years old, when Cullom was born, not impossible, by highly improbable.

Is it possible, that Matthew Arney, Sr. married one woman, she died, and he married another woman, soon after? Unfortunately, we have not found Matthew Arney, Sr., anywhere in any 1850 US Federal Census, that would help answer these questions.

There are some clues, in the 1850 US Federal Census, that we can find and use though.

Peter Arney's children (that we know of)
Margaret (1793), Adam (1797), Henry (1799), John (1802), Hiram (1804),
Lucretia (1805), William (1815), Matthew (1818), James (1822), Hardy (1827).

1850 US Federal Census, State of Illinois
St. Clair County, Margaret Arney 62 (1788)
Fayette County, James Arney 30 (1820), Lucrecia Stigall 40 (1810)

1850 US Federal Census, State of Kentucky
Cumberland County, Adam Arney 51 (1799)

[So, it "appears" that, at least, 4 of Peter's children, moved out of State (Tennessee), but 3 of them returned by 1860]

1860 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Overton County
Margaret Arney 70 (1790), Adam Arney 63 (1797), Madison Arney 43 (1817), James Arney 38 (1822), Hardy Arney 35 (1825)

1860 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, Johnson County
John Arney 58 (1802)

1860 US Federal Census, State of Illinois, Randolph County
William Arney 43 (1817)

1860 US Federal Census, State of Texas, Collin County
Lucrecia Stegall 52 (1808)

1860 US Federal Census
No Henry, or Hiram

If you can help answer any of these questions, for me, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation.

Sincerely,

Stan Arney
Wichita, KS

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-15 20:41:14Z

Probably the easiest way for me to tell you to access David M. Friscia's helpful list of Christian Arney descendents which he had compiled (at least as of his post dated 8/2011) is simply to check my post history. It actually came up as I was searching Arney info, under another post titled "wills and probates" from Sherry Bean, and that is what's listed on my post history. Click on that and see what happens! (and let me know, please)
Another suggestion: search for info on Jacob Earney 1790-1859. Kay
PS Mr. Friscia's considerable research, documentation, and generosity (At least I hope he doesn't mind it's being passed on; it was out there on the Message Board in 2000...) is most appreciated.

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

hoosierbug — 2011-06-14 17:48:55Z

Kay, I could not pull up any info on David Friscia. Could you please send me a direct link at arney@tds.net?? I would really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Darlene Miller Arney

Marriage of Christian Arney, Sr. to Anna Catharine Keener

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-14 17:07:47Z

Just in case you do not have this information about our mutual g-grandfather of many generations past: (I was delighted when another distant cousin passed the info and source along to me)

From the DIARY OF JOHANN GOTTFRIED ARENDS 1740-1807 Annotated Transcription by Jo White Linn
Page 12 Christian Erni and Anna Catharina Kienerin 13 Julius (1777)
Note: ordered from NC Historical Publications Shop 2009
http://store.yahoo.com/nc-historical-publications/diofjogoar...

Pastor Arends was a most interesting and dedicated pioneer of the Lutheran faith, who ministered to so many German and Swiss families across Piedmont North Carolina. This translation of his diary is a small treasure, and a marvelous effort by Ms. Linn. - Kay

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-14 16:52:07Z

About John Friscia's detailed Arney tree: The same day I read your first post I came across his early posting in 2000 in looking at Message Boards "Arney - Family History & Genealogy Message Board". His was the second post that came up.
David M. Friscia Surnames: Arney Earney Posted 9 Aug 2000
"A Generations report follows that includes the information I have. Please, note that I have elected to use artificial but consistant surnames in my database.

Descendants of Christian Arney
(And the Generation lists begin, and continue for 11 pages, as he documents his sources at the end)
I hope this helps! His Generations Report is most appreciated! If you are unable to pull this up, let me know. Kay

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-14 16:24:35Z

Thank you for the reference to Elisabeth Carpenter Arney/Earney! You are so right about "baby steps." Only once in a while do we make a "leap!" KJM

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

pkwilliams823 — 2011-06-14 00:01:12Z

Progress! I knew as soon as I said I couldn't find diddly...

I figured the answer would be among the Carpenters...

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op...

She, at least, is buried in a private family cemetery in Lincoln County. I would *assume* he is with her, but no mention is made, and the website's author seems to be among the many who do not know Reuben's death date.

Baby steps...

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

pkwilliams823 — 2011-06-13 23:44:49Z

Hey thanks for the info! Yeah, I did notice quite a few offspring amongst the info I had gathered so far!

I have to say that I'm rather surprised at this whole burial mystery. Beyond the usual official haunts (well, online anyway, visiting the area is still on the "someday" list), I've hunted through hundreds of posted trees, and while I know better than to take any of that info as gospel (I treat any information I find there to be "clues", though!), I have yet to come across *anyone* having his or Elizabeth's death or burial information. Usually somebody has *something*, even if it can't be verified.

I'm also mystified as to the disappearance of David M. Friscia's tree. He seems to have vanished and taken his tree with him. If anyone reading this knows where he (and/or his info) might be, I'd appreciate knowing!

Had trouble locating the Carpenter book. I'll let you know when I have better luck!

-Paula

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-13 20:06:43Z

Here's a little info on John E.'s brother, Jonathan: m. Mary Elizabeth Chunn 11 Feb 1869; according to census records, in 1870 (age 21) lived in Hamilton, Catawba Co., NC; post office, Catawba Station. 1880, lived in Catawba Village, Catawba Co., NC (age 31). Reuben Henry and Elisabeth with him then. 1900, Lincolnton township, Lincoln Co., NC (age 51)Appears the household consisted of 13, including in-laws and grandchildren. Mary died in 1903; Jonathan remarried, and died 1 Feb 1914. Mary and Jonathan are buried at Pisgah United Methodist Church cemetery on the Gastonia Highway, near Lincolnton.
I've search cemetery records and haven't found Elisabeth (Betsie) C. Arney and Reuben Henry yet! I still hope that perhaps a family bible will turn up with information about them! I'll let you know if I discover anything and would really appreciate it if you could let me know if you learn anything relative to them, too. Thanks!! KJM

Matthew Arney Sr. 1818-1902

arney9thgeneration — 2011-06-12 16:06:54Z

Subject: Matthew Arney, Sr. (aka Madison, Mathew, etc.)

Born: 1818 (Overton County, Tennessee)
Died: 1902 (Pickett County, Tennessee)

How many wives did Matthew Arney, Sr. have? (1 or 2)

What was (were) the name(s) of his wife (wives)?

Sarah "Sallie" Farris
Sarah "Sallie" Patrick

Note: (Jefferson Davis Arney, was the youngest of their children)

Jefferson Davis Arney's death certificate lists his parents as: Mathew Arney (born in Lillydale, TN) and Sallie Patrick (born in Lillydale, TN).

Many people, researching this Arney line, list Matthew Arney, Sr.'s wife, as Sarah "Sallie" Farris, but is it possible that Matthew Arney, Sr. had two wives?

Otherwise, why would Jefferson Davis Arney's death certificate, list his mother as Sallie Patrick?

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

pkwilliams823 — 2011-06-11 01:04:58Z

Me again. I'm embarrassed to say I don't have a death date or burial place for Jonathan, either! Can you help me with that? :)

I'm wondering if perhaps Reuben & Elizabeth are buried where Jonathan is, since Elizabeth probably died while living with Jonathan & family? But I guess you'd have found it yourself if that were the case.

Mmmph. More searching. You'd think since Reuben died after 1910 that there'd be more of a record of it!

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

pkwilliams823 — 2011-06-11 00:50:44Z

Wow, that's funny - I only just discovered the North Carolina death certificates on Ancestry & spent an afternoon following Jonathan & his descendants (mostly as those were the ones I found first, hee!). Lizzie's one of the ones I did not catch up with (yet), though - but I hadn't started playing with marriage records yet... obviously she married!

Anyhoo..

When I was doing my earlier search of Arneys, I'd honestly been so preoccupied with determining my exact relationship to John Esley that I hadn't yet followed Reuben & Elizabeth - in fact, I don't (yet) even have their death dates!

Last I saw Reuben was in the 1900 Census, living with John Esley & family in Burke County. Elizabeth was gone by that point. I have the Burke County cemetery books here and he is not in them (though he could be unmarked), but in 1880, they're living with your great grandfather in Catawba, so it's likely she died in Catawba and they might have buried here there. Just a guess. They lived in Lincoln County for many years before that, so maybe a family thing in Lincoln?

Drat, I have a book tracing the Carpenters back - it *might* have a location for Elizabeth. But I left it at my parents' house. I'll get it next time I'm there (same city), and see what it has to say.

When I first started hunting, I found a terrific tree put together by David M. Friscia. Alas, I can't find hide nor hair of it now - every link I can find goes to a broken page :(

Now you've got me curious. :)

-Paula

Re: Jacob Earney 1790 - 1859

arney9thgeneration — 2011-06-10 21:13:28Z

My line, can be traced from Peter Arney, born in 1772, in Tryon County, North Carolina, to his father, Jacob Arney, whose original Will, still exists, at the North Carolina State Archives, in Raleigh, NC. His Will is dated in 1782, and was probated in 1784, so his death year was probably 1784.

This same Jacob Arney, was the father, of Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr., who was born in 1750, in York(town), York County, Pennsylvania, and died in the Spring 1834, in Lincoln County, North Carolina.

This Jacob Arney, along with his family, left Pennsylvania, around 1767, moving to the area of Tryon County, North Carolina. Later Tryon County was dissolved, and became part of Lincoln County, North Carolina.

Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr., stated that he lived in or near the town of Lincolnton, when he entered into service, of the American Revolutionary War, and had lived there ever since, where he also died.

Re: its time to put together an Arney Genealogy website

arney9thgeneration — 2011-06-10 21:02:04Z

Yes, I certainly did, it's not much, but it's a start.

www.arneygenealogy.com

Let me know, what you think.

Re: its time to put together an Arney Genealogy website

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-10 20:15:45Z

Stan - did you pursue the establishing of an Arney Genealogy website? Sounds like a good idea to me. Kay

Re: John Esley Arney, 1845-1930, CSA NC 46th Co. K

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-10 19:34:21Z

Hi, my great-grandfather was Jonathan C. Arney, brother of your 3rd great-grandfather. (My grandmother, Lizzie Arney married at age 29, after being the primary care-taker of her mother; and seemed to establish a pattern of later marriages; hence the relative closeness of generations.) I have a question for you, "cousin," (!) In your search regarding John Esley, have you come across a date of death and/or burial place for his and Jonathan's parents, Reuben Henry and Elisabeth? No doubt if we find one, we would find the other. It may be that they were buried on a home site; wouldn't we like to know where, though? It could lead to finding other ancestral burial places for the early Arney pioneers in NC. I'd love to hear from you. Thanks! Kay

Re: Jacob Earney 1790 - 1859

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-10 18:28:47Z

I just hope you are still receiving Message Board alerts from Ancestry! I tried sending an email but it didn't go through.
Your mention of having info regarding the Swiss line of the Arney's dating back to 1705 it of great interest to me. I've a North Carolina connection to Jacob Arney, the NC land grant recipient who emigrated from Pennsylvania in the 1700's, through my grandmother, Elizabeth Arney Hines. Hope you get this, a response to your 2002 post, in June, 2011!
My info stems from NC--my mother's home town of Lincolnton--and still I've much to learn. However, if you have your own questions, and any of my "answers" might suffice, I'd certainly be glad to share. Thanks. Kay

Reuben Henry Arney/Earney

kjmann3324 — 2011-06-10 17:18:41Z

This ancestor's death date and place of burial continues to be a mystery for me! Born in 1821, he was the son of John Arney (1788-1837) and grandson of the pioneer Christian Arney (1750-1834). In the 1880 census Reuben H. Arney and wife Elisabeth (Carpenter) Arney were living in Catawba, a small village in Catawba County, NC with their son, Jonathan/Johnathn C. Arney and his family. In 1900 Henry Arney was living with another son, John, in Silver Creek, Burke County, NC (near Morganton). R. Henry was then 78.
Some trees have Henry's place of death in France. I would love to know anything someone who is researching the Arney family may know about Reuben Henry Arney. THANKS! K. Mann

Re: Jacob Earney 1790 - 1859

arney9thgeneration — 2011-05-05 02:00:49Z

Mr. Friscia,

Do you happen to have copies of all of Ms. Edna Williams, "We Are The Arney's" periodicals?

I know, it's been 11 years, since this post, and you may not use this email address anymore.

I'm researching my family surname, of ARNEY, and have been trying to find copies of these periodicals.
Since, I can't speak with Ms Williams, perhaps I can learn, from her periodicals. I'm especially interested in learning, if she noted any of her sources.

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Edna Williams and her, "We Are The Arney's" periodicals

arney9thgeneration — 2011-05-04 03:40:32Z

Fellow Arney researchers,

One of the most quoted sources, on the Arney surname, is Ms. Edna Williams, and her, "We Are The Arney's", periodicals.

Does anyone know, how Ms. Edna Williams, is doing these days, I have not heard from her, in years, only that her health, due to age, wasn't well, that was a few years ago, I have tried emailing her, but have not received a response. If I have missed her "passing", then shame on me.

Also, does anyone have any copies, of her periodicals, "We Are The Arney's"?

Since, it's one of the most quotes sources, when it comes to Arney genealogy research, it would be nice to know, what information, it contained.

I'm praying, to be able to read those periodicals, and find the original sources, she obtained, to confirm information, on our family tree.

Most importantly, to see where she found documentation regarding our biggest mystery, Jacob Arney.

She originally found information, that lead her to the belief, that Jacob Arney, was the son of Frederick Ernigh. Before I lost contact with her, I had the misfortune to have to share with her, documentation that showed, it was not possible.

I'm praying to find her sources, that lead her to that conclusion, so that I might be able to retrace her research steps, and maybe learn, more about our Jacob Arney, and finally solve the mystery of our Jacob, once and for all. Who were our Jacob Arney's parents, who were his siblings, where was he born, where was his parents born, why was he in York(town), York County, Pennsylvania, in 1749, and 1750, when his son, Christian "Christy" Arney, Sr. was born, etc.?

Anyone, who might know the answers to these questions, please reply.

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Arney descendants of Peter Arney 1772 to 1845

arney9thgeneration — 2011-05-01 03:39:00Z

Fellow Arney researchers,

As you know, genealogy is based on documentation, a customary statement is, "document, document, document".

Having said this, may I ask each of you, how much "documentation" do you truly have?
How much, DTP (Definitive Tangible Proof), do you have, that your ancestors are your true ancestors?

For example, my ancestors include:

Jacob Arney, born ? left his Will dated in 1782, and probated in 1784 (therefore his death year is "assumed" 1784).

[Note: For Jacob Arney, the only true DTP, I have, is a copy of his actual Will, which due to ink fading, adds little to the names of his children, but mention his wife, Elizabeth.]

Jacob Arney > Peter Arney, born 1772 (Tryon County, North Carolina), died 1845 (Overton County, Tennessee).

[Note: For Peter Arney, the only true DTP, I have, is his name on an 1801 Petition to halt the annexation of Smith and Wilson Counties, his name on the 1802 Tax Roll for Jackson County, Tennessee, his name on the purchase of 300 acres of land, in Overton County, Tennessee, from John Sevier, in 1814, his name appears, on the US Federal Census, for Overton County, Tennessee, for the years 1820-1840, the 1836 Tax Roll for Overton County, Tennessee, and in 1845, deeds giving his land and property, to 3 sons (Matthew, Henry, and Hiram), therefore his "assumed" date of death in August 16th, 1845]

Jacob Arney > Peter Arney > Matthew Arney, Sr, born 1818 (Overton County, Tennessee), died in 1902 (Pickett County, Tennessee).

[Note: For Matthew Arney, Sr., the only true DTP, I have, is his name on the US Federal Census, 1820-1840, 1860 & 1870, in Overton County, Tennessee, 1880, in Clay County, Tennessee, 1900, in Pickett County, Tennessee, deeds giving his land to his son, Jefferson Davis Arney, his son-in-law Belve Wilborn, and his daughter-in-law Cordelia Heard, and one picture.]

Jacob Arney > Peter Arney > Matthew Arney, Sr. > William Ervin Arney, born 1841, in Overton County, Tennessee, died 1887 (Pickett County, Tennessee).

[Note: For William Ervin Arney, the only true DTP, I have, his name on the US Federal Census, in Overton County, Tennessee, in 1860 & 1870, and in 1880, in Clay County, Tennessee, his military record during the American Civil War, his marriage record, in 1868 to Sarah "Sallie" Jouett, his wife's "widow pension" stating his death, and his grave marker.]

Jacob Arney > Peter Arney > Matthew Arney, Sr. > William Ervin Arney > Otha Jouett Arney, born January 30th, 1875 (Pickett County, Tennessee), died April 26th, 1956 (Overton County, Tennessee).

[Note: For Otha Jouett Arney, the only true DTP, I have, his name on the US Federal Census, Clay County, Tennessee, in 1880, 1900-1920, Pickett County, Tennessee, and 1930, in Clay County, Tennessee, a few pictures, and his grave marker.]

Jacob Arney > Peter Arney > Matthew Arney, Sr. > William Ervin Arney > Otha Jouett Arney > Stanley Goble Arney, born November 27th, 1909 (Monroe, Overton County, Tennessee), died May 12th, 1979 (Livingston, Overton County, Tennessee).

[Note: For Stanley Goble Arney, the only true DTP, I have, his name on the US Federal Census, Pickett County, Tennessee, in 1920, Overton County, Tennessee, in 1930, his marriage record, in 1929, to Bertha Claudine Melton, living, a few pictures, and his grave marker.]

Q? How do I know, these people are actually related?
After all, I have no actual birth or baptism record, for any of these men, thereby showing their parents names.

Just because, someone, places them on a "family tree", doesn't make it so.

Yes, I know, the way I first learned of them, was from a hand-drawn family tree that was sent to me, by a cousin, Col. Cloyd Arney (who has since, passed away).

Many of the early researchers, those who began research in the 1950's, etc., we no longer are blessed with access to (they have either retired, finished their research, are in "assisted living facilities", or have passed away), so we cannot ask them, what documentation did you find, that gave you the idea, these people were definitely related?

As I was reflecting, on my own research today, I asked myself this Q?
How do I know these people are definitely my ancestors?

Just because the names, seem to "click", ex. same surnames, living in the same area, etc.

Especially, since the fire that destroyed early Tennessee records in Overton County, Tennessee, during the American Civil War, the loss of birth records, etc.
How did those researchers, find documentation, that put these people together as relatives (our ancestors), what documentation did they find?

Did they find church records, meaning the church recordings of births/baptisms and marriages? Since the Courthouse records were destroyed, that doesn't mean that actual church records were lost, if there were any.

I mean, once the US Federal Census, began recording more than just "head of household" names, we can find the names of wife's and children.

One drawback to that is the 1850 US Federal Census, our Arney ancestors, in Overton County, Tennessee, seem to have disappeared (vanished, without-a-trace).

What are your thoughts, on what I'm saying?

Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

Re: Sarah Arney

valeriafalgout — 2011-04-20 07:35:46Z

I have only found out recently that death certificates are not always accurate. I thought they were a legal document, but my fathers first family did not have their death certificates filled out until 30 years after his two children from his first wife died. I got in touch with the Chancery Clerks office and he said it was an individuals option in earlier days. I did not know that did you? Also families are updating their family stones because they have become unreadable, or broken. That brings into play that dates may be different. Findagrave is a wonderful tool, but just like genealogy if it is not reported right it will lead us into a maze. I have not communicated with very many people from Ancestry, but thought I would share this uncertainty with you. Hope you do not mind!

William Ford Arney

leighhayl — 2011-03-13 14:16:52Z

Looking for assistance in finding the birth registration for William Ford Arney in 1910 in the Greater London area or so I am told.
Can't seem to get a handle on this part of the family and no idea who his parents were but a member of the family seems to think the mother was named Annie.
I can't seem to find free access to the 1911 census in England and being in Canada limits my availability.
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Leigh

Sarah Arney

LynnArney6thgen — 2011-02-21 20:39:01Z

On Jefferson Davis Arney, Death Certificate it listed his
mother's name as Sallie "Sarah" Arney.Also the day's date is
different, from the date on his headstone.(findagrave.com)

I have been researching over the last couple months on the
Patrick Family. And what I can find so far is Sarah Arney
mother's maiden name was Pharris.
I think Cloyd Arney, might of skip the Patrick family, on
the lack of information. And then change the spelling of
Pharris to Farris.

John P. Arney is John Preston Arney, and is Mathew Arney's
son. Source is his Death Certificate.

Re: Arney Pictures and Personalities

kjmann3324 — 2010-11-03 19:55:38Z

Thanks for the commiseration and good wishes re the t.knee surgery. Actually, you know what my husband is in for, don't you? We've done this once before -- in '04, and as my best assistant he came through fine, me too!

I'll begin by pulling from a couple already-scanned photos and give a brief sketch - and go from there as I can. Obviously, I think my grandmother, Elizabeth C. Arney, is the cream of the bunch, so will introduce you to her, via email to your address. kjm

Re: Arney Pictures and Personalities

arney9thgeneration — 2010-11-02 21:04:13Z

Hey, I know what you will be going through soon.
My wife, has had both her knees surgically replaced.

To answer your Q? Absolutely, take your time, whenever you get to it, or even a little at a time, that's fine.

You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
Take care and God bless.

Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation.
I sincerely, appreciate your welcomed offer.

Stan

Re: Please I need your help

kjmann3324 — 2010-11-02 19:20:49Z

Stan - I meant to reply, not send a new thread, which was what I did instead. Pls. see "Arney Pictures and Personalities", meant to be a reply to your above subject. kjm