Bertie - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: claude perigrine bertie

gattatoliver — 2012-02-05 14:50:32Z

Hello,
intrested in ww1,aquired from a dealer and yes i do
always try to get a photo all medals are just metal
its the person behind them that i research and in the
case of someone who has died all the more reson to get
as much detail as i can as time moves on it will get
harder, as for instance yourself are a link to bertie
the next generation may think otherwise and just see
a photo and not connect who it was,
regards geoff

Re: claude perigrine bertie

norreys — 2012-02-05 14:18:39Z

Thanks for that. Interesting.
How did you acquire my cousin's medals? Do you collect RFC medals as a speciality interest? Do you always aim to get pictures of all those whose medals you own?
Regards, N.

Re: claude perigrine bertie

gattatoliver — 2012-02-05 13:57:16Z

Hello,
otto bernet was the name of the german pilot who shot down Bertie,jasta 2 was a german sqn otto bernet was with,
geoff

Re: claude perigrine bertie

norreys — 2012-02-05 13:46:12Z

What does "otto bernet jasta 2" mean?
N

Re: claude perigrine bertie

gattatoliver — 2012-02-04 20:04:09Z

HI,
I am intrested in rfc ww1 and have this airmans medals,
he was killed 19th march 1917 while on patrol 59th sqn,
shot down by otto bernet jasta 2 over stleger,
geoff

Re: claude perigrine bertie

norreys — 2012-01-31 22:55:00Z

I have a photograph of Captain Bertie - he was a cousin of mine. Why your interest?
Henry Norreys.

Re: William Bertie bn 1845 Scotland died 1897 Byers, Arapahoe Co, Colorado

EvelynBertie49 — 2011-01-19 15:25:26Z

I have done the family search back to early 1700s with supposition back to 1600s. They are the Dun/Aberlemno/Arbroath/Dundee line but trying to link in the Montrose Berties and the Lochlee (not to be confused with Lochee, Dundee district). I have a lot of incidental information so may be able to help. Working with;
Dr David Bertie (Scottish)
Ian Bertie - One Name Study (English)
Evelyn Bertie

Re: William Bertie bn 1845 Scotland died 1897 Byers, Arapahoe Co, Colorado

LeslieBaller38 — 2011-01-08 08:20:07Z

Hi
My name is Leslie and William Bertie was married to one of my very distant cousins. Third cousin four times removed in fact. William Bertie was born May5,1847 in Lochlee,Angus, son of James Bertie and Isabella Laing. He married Helen Thow(Aug,1846-?)June 15,1881 in Edzell,Angus. James Bertie was born James Thow Sept.13,1879 in Edzell,Angus. He was Helen's illegitimate son. On the 1881 Scottish census he appears as James Adams with his mother Helen and William Bertie and his brother David. At the time of the census, William and Helen were not married, she was a servant. Sometime between their marriage and Mary Ann's birth,they immigrated to the US. I have not found a record for this however. I have not found a death registration for Helen but
she is with her son William on the 1920 US census and does not appear on the 1930 US census. Hope this helps.

Re: James Leslie Bertie

EvelynBertie49 — 2010-12-11 22:31:30Z

Hi, do you have any kind of information on his parent,where they lived etc. i am interested in trying to find out who is is.
best wishes
Evelyn Bertie

Re: BERTIE Edward 1886 1887

EvelynBertie49 — 2010-12-11 22:19:58Z

Hi Ian
I do not think that is a BERTIE but a middle name, as it is not alone and linked to the other grave. Do you have anymore information?

claude perigrine bertie

gattatoliver — 2010-12-05 14:04:39Z

Hello,
i am looking for a photograph of the above named,
he was killed in the 1st war Capt C P Bertie rfa,rfc
on the 19th march 1917,
sincerley Geoff

Re: BERTIE Edward 1886 1887

Ian_Bertie — 2009-05-22 18:06:54Z

Thankyou for the photo.

BERTIE Edward 1886 1887

t42OakGrove_DentonCoTX — 2009-05-21 00:13:26Z

BERTIE Edward 1886 1887

David Strickland photographed this gravestone in the Oak Grove Cemetery, Denton Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 203,524 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

- If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: William Bertie bn 1845 Scotland died 1897 Byers, Arapahoe Co, Colorado

Ian_Bertie — 2009-04-13 08:44:41Z

Good morning Nathan,

I am doing a One Name Study on the BERTIE surname and hold a lot of data into this surname.

If you would like to contact me at bertie AT one-name DOT org then we can share information. (replace AT with @ and DOT with .) in the email address when you reply (prevents spam filters picking up the email address)

Regards
Ian Bertie

Re: William Bertie bn 1845 Scotland died 1897 Byers, Arapahoe Co, Colorado

nathanadams7 — 2009-04-12 14:07:29Z

Hi

My grandmother's name was Ida Bertie. She comes from a BRITISH/ITALIAN background and was born in 1922

Re: Bertie family in Montrose, Scotland

cilurnum — 2009-02-16 14:52:16Z

Looking now at the names and dates you have mentioned. I wouldnt recommend relying on IGI as being totally accurate. If the source information includes the word "REGISTER", I think that is good quality record.
You have the marriage certificate for James BERTIE in 1856. That will give his parents' names, hopefully.
Not being able to find him in a census is not unusual. I've found a number of mine with their grand parents, or even working. They worked from as young as 13 yrs or even younger.
In addition to Margaret's siblings you have, there's a Marjory Collie BERTIE b 22.5.1865 Montrose and James BERTIE b 2.11.1868
Don't think the name SKENE is that common but someone will always come up with surprising evidence in those circumstances. I wouldnt necessarily take the age in 1841 as being too accurate. Check out a later census and of course a certificate.
Hope that what I have said is helpful though I am not sure you were replying to me in the first place.
Certificate information can be inaccurate but its better than IGI or Ancestry.
I did find a grieving husband didnt know the correct names of his wife's parents, but maybe thats forgiveable. I found him listed as an Informant in the village and that could be worrying as he's known to have been a colourful character!
Hope theses musings help.
I have James BERTIE, son of James and Helen SKENE b 1 August 1831, married 29 February 1856 to Mary Ann ALLAN b abt 1834. I have Elizabeth BERTIE b 9.9.1863 as a daughter of James and Mary Ann ALLAN

Re: Bertie family in Montrose, Scotland

cilurnum — 2009-02-16 14:34:55Z

Let's see if this one gets thru.. I'm sure the first one was better. The thing is that IGI is only good enough to make a start. You really need a paper certificate.
At the time of the census in 1841 ages were rounded to the nearest 5 yrs for those over 15 yrs old, so someone aged 24 could be given as aged 20. This also illustrates why a certificate is the best evidence.
Where the Scots used naming patterns it was not unusual for two children to have the same name. It was likely that father and grandfather would be named the same and not unusual for the mother's father to be named exactly the same as her husband. Also, where a child died in infancy they would name another child the same to keep the name alive. I also have an instance of it where the first named left home to find work and a younger child was named the same.
The BERTIE name can be found prevalently in Angus and Kincardineshire.
Curiously I was looking at Charlotte Brown Bertie's records last night.
I will send this in case the first message was too long.

Re: Bertie family in Montrose, Scotland

cilurnum — 2009-02-16 09:37:22Z

I've just written a reply and had it refused for some reason, having logged in.

Re: Bertie family in Montrose, Scotland

charlottebrown2005 — 2009-02-15 23:19:19Z

Thanks for the reply!
I have Margaret's siblings as: Mary Ann b 1858, Elizabeth b 1863, James b 1868 and Agnes Ley b 1874.
Have you found any others?

My problem now is with Margaret Moir Bertie's father JAMES BERTIE. He was 24 when he married in 1856 and I've found a birth on IGI for 1st Aug 1831 which at first I assumed was right as the parents are Helen Skene and James Bertie, but then I couldn't find him in a census.

The census entry for 1841 shows Helen & James Bertie living at the address stated on James and Mary Ann's wedding certificate so it must be the right family, but the James listed there is only aged 6, not 9 or 10. Would they have had 2 sons, both alive, with the same name, or could the age on either IGI, the typed census entry, or marriage certificate be incorrect?
Interestingly, James and Helen's son David is listed as age 7 on the 1841 census yet the only birth I can find on IGI is Jun 1829 so that one's out too.
Does anyone know if Bertie and Skene are both very common names in Montrose - could I be looking at the wrong family on IGI? I found another James Bertie born to Helen Skene and James Bertie in May 1826 according to IGI but that age doesn't fit either. I'm thoroughly confused!

Re: Bertie One Name Study

jifoley — 2009-01-15 20:52:09Z

Hi Ian
I contacted you a while ago re Aspinall and Copeland families. Is there any chance you could contact me at
jifoley@aol.com
Thanks
Jim

Re: BERTIE

wightway_1 — 2008-11-10 19:29:48Z

No problem Ian. Do you recognise any of the names I listed?

Janet

Re: BERTIE

Ian_Bertie — 2008-11-10 18:27:13Z

Hi Janet,

Did not realise it was you.

Ian

Re: BERTIE

wightway_1 — 2008-11-09 16:16:42Z

We are already in touch. ;-) I have several lines, the names at the head of which I will list:

David Bertie & Elizabeth Knight m 13.7.1728 Fordoun - these are my direct relatives from whom Jonathan Bertie b Auchenblae 13.3.1845 who married Jane Kinnear on 4.12.1878 was born.

John Bertie & Ann Scott who married on 29.10.1762, Aberlemno, they were Weavers. The name Petrie appears in this tree.

Alexander Bertie & Elizabeth Smith who married on 26.7.1761 Montrose. I feel sure these must be related to those in my direct line because the Davidson name has been used in the Bertie/Knight tree.

James Bertie & Margaret Bridgeford who married 13.10.1854. Just a few names in that branch.

James Bertie & Elizabeth Davidson whose son William Bertie b 1796 married Jean Malcolm and who lived in Montrose in 1841. One of their children Elizabeth married Alexander Dunn whose parents were David Dun and Margaret Forbes.

John Bertie & Margaret Dere who married on 8.7.1763 Maryton, in which tree the names LOW, DORWARD, SKENE, SMITH, ALLAN, MCLACHLAN & MANN appear.

Like you I have done an IGI trawl and have census names in 1841, 1851 and 1861.

As I mentioned in my first post, all of the foregoing I have in GEDCOM format which can be achieved even if unable to link.

Jay.

Re: BERTIE

Ian_Bertie — 2008-11-09 15:21:51Z

Good afternoon,

I am doing a One Name study of the surname BERTIE.

Would you like to contact me directly as I have currently in excess of 3000 records for the surname.

We may be able to link you into a family.

Regards
Ian Bertie

BERTIE

wightway_1 — 2008-11-08 18:29:59Z

I have over 200 names in GEDCOM relating only to BERTIE males and marriages. I have not found a common ancestor; ever hopeful. I am related from David BERTIE b abt 1700 and Elizabeth KNIGHT b abt 1705 Edzell who married on 13 July 1728.
I would be pleased to help in the hope of finding more.

Re: Bertie family in Montrose, Scotland

wightway_1 — 2008-11-08 18:20:23Z

I have records that confirm you are correct. Do you have all her siblings?

Re: Bertie One Name Study

N_Percival — 2008-09-10 09:24:08Z

Hi,
On your project... When transcribing IGI records..?? make sure your only using records extracted from local records and not submitted by a member or other person. Reason? submitted by person can have errors where as the other is a real record..

Now to add to your one name study??!! I'm from the Lost Colony Genealogy and Research Group. WE are also interested in Bertie: from website
Bertie, Peregrine -- 1585-1586 - Associated with venture, not necessarily passengers
WE have nothing more on this individual and would appricate any leads you might get. WE are also interested in anyone with this surname who will dna test. You can test via the project and get a group discount on tnhe price for testing with a group.

See our website:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~molcgdrg/

Good luck with your project, you might try andd see if there is other DNA surname projects for the surname...

Nelda Percival

Re: Bertie One Name Study

Ian_Bertie — 2008-09-02 17:42:01Z

Hi John,

No I have not made contact with Lorna, do you have her contact details, if yes, you can contact me off list at bertie@one-name.org

Thanks
Ian Bertie

Re: Bertie One Name Study

tas1816 — 2008-09-02 17:33:18Z

Have your been in contact with Lorna White in Scotland as she has a full family history.

John Bertie
New Zealander
Living in Glasgow

Re: First Contact

sash07 — 2008-08-31 10:24:33Z

Hello Yvonne All I know is what my grandmother told everyone that two Bertie brothers came to England in the 1700 to work in Lincoln Catherdral carving the marble pillars and laying the mosiac floors. I have been to Lincoln to try and trace any documentation but unfortunatly many years ago there was a devasting fire and most of the old documentation was burned.
I did however discover that Italian workment laid mosiac floors in the grand houses of the catherdral square, and was lucky enough to see one of these floors in the old vicarage house.

I have no idea where in Italy they may have come from.

Regards

Susan

Re: First Contact

yrowell — 2008-08-31 06:33:27Z

Hello Sue,
On one of your earlier posts you mentioned there were stories about the Berties coming from Italy. Can you please let me know what you have been told as our Berties did come from Italy and ended up in various parts due to them being sailors I guess I am the only Bertie left with this info as my father was born in 1887 but married my mother a lot later in life
Thanks
Yvonne

Re: William Bertie/Jane Campbell/McCann

denisbertie — 2008-08-30 10:01:13Z

hi tracey
hope you are well, have you had any luck tracing william bertie/jane campbell births or parents.
kind regards
denis

Re: Bertie One Name Study

catherine_bertie — 2008-08-29 14:36:24Z

Hello Yvonne,

I dont know about any Berties actually living is Australia from years ago, my aunty who was a Bertie before she got married moved out there in the 70's. that is interesting though that you mention about the connection to the Mckay family. i'll have to do some more searching!

thanks

Re: Bertie One Name Study

yrowell — 2008-08-29 02:56:29Z

Hi there,
My name is Yvonne Bertie and most of the info on the site you mention are related to me Do your Berties have ties with Australia as I also have a lot of info relating back to Australian Berties. Other than 1 other family from Melbourne and the famous Charles Bertie most connect back into my family, also some married into the McKay family
Thanks Yvonne
yrowell@bigpond.com

Re: Bertie One Name Study

catherine_bertie — 2008-08-27 06:52:54Z

Good Morning,

I have onlly done some basic searches. But I do have a family tree going back to my Grandads parents. I have only just started looking into our family history, so am not all that familiar with how and where i find the information out. there is however a website which comes up called 'The Bertie family' which you may have already seen. If you 'google' it you should be able to find out a little bit from there.

thanks

Re: Bertie One Name Study

Ian_Bertie — 2008-08-20 15:40:38Z

Good afternoon,

Thankyou for your offer of the information you hold, which I will gladly accept.

Can you please advise to what extent, if known, the information that is available.

I will of course pay any and all costs in shipping the information to me.

If you wish to contact me direct at the email address on my profile, I can then give you my address details etc.

Best regards
Ian Bertie
Guild of One Name Studies Member 4876

Re: First Contact

catherine_bertie — 2008-08-20 14:19:07Z

Hello Evelyn,

are you still looking into this?

Re: Bertie One Name Study

catherine_bertie — 2008-08-20 14:17:27Z

Hi,

I have a family tree at home that my Grandad did around 15 years ago. He has sadley now passed away, but was Lyall Mckay Bertie. I have quite a bit of information if you're still looking.

Thanks

Re: First Contact

RoyStevensIII — 2008-05-17 04:53:05Z

Hi Evelyn,

I must update what I am looking for, James Leslie Bertie is my grandfather, born in Liverpool in 1892. He stated that his parents were both born in Scotland. If you have information regarding the names of his parents and dates of birth and place of birth it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Roy Stevens

Re: First Contact

RoyStevensIII — 2008-05-16 02:52:20Z

Hi Evelyn,

James Leslie Bertie is my grandfather on my mother's side of the family. He was born in Liverpool in 1892, both his mother and father were born in Scotland. He came to America in 1915 and married Alice May Wilson in Ohio. If you have any birth certificates from Lancashire,W Derby for June 1892, I would definitely be interest.

Thanks
Roy Stevens

Re: Bertie One Name Study

yrowell — 2008-04-16 02:40:11Z

Hi Ian
If your name study starts to pick up others from Austria and Italy please let me know as my Bertie family originated from there
Many thanks
Yvonne

Re: Bertie One Name Study

Ian_Bertie — 2008-04-15 06:02:57Z

Benita,

Thanks anyway.

Ian

Re: Bertie One Name Study

bmsearcy — 2008-04-14 21:39:30Z

Ian,
I have no other info on this line. I was helping someone else out. Sorry I can't help. Benita

Bertie One Name Study

Ian_Bertie — 2008-02-16 22:43:31Z

Hello Benita,

I see that you have done research into the family name of BERTIE.

I am currently starting a One Name Study of the surname ans was wondering if you would like to help or contribute any information to this study.

I will gladly share any information that I have, but currently it is restricted to England / Wales, but is expanding.

Best regards
Ian Bertie

Bertie One Name Study

Ian_Bertie — 2008-02-13 22:23:22Z

I am starting a worldwide one name study of the family name BERTIE.

At present I have a database with all the entries from the BMD Indexes for England / Wales from 1937~2005.

I am currently transcribing the IGI Index.

If anybody would like to help or contribute to this study, then please get in touch.

Regards
Ian Bertie

bertie family

denisbertie — 2007-10-31 16:23:58Z

does anyone have any info on jane campbell born about 1797 or william bertie born about 1796, they were married in liverpool in april 1816.cannot find there birth/parents. any info would be most welcome kind regards
denis bertie

William Bertie/Jane Campbell/McCann

traceyscouse — 2007-07-22 10:04:02Z

Hi, not sure I posted my replies to Denis & Helen correctly so thought I'd better start a new thread.
William & Jane were my gt gt gt grandparents. Their daughter Mary (spelt Burtey on marriage cert to Daniel McCann in 1847)was my gt gt grandmother & Daniel & Mary's daughter Anne was my gt grandmother who married William Moorcroft. They had a daughter Annie who married William Scully, Annie & William were my grandparents. Daniel is mistranscribed on the 1851 census as Dane Macken, Mary's sister Jane is living with them at the time.
Hope to hear from Denis or Helen as I've tried contact before without success.

Best wishes,

Tracey.

Re: First Contact surname BERTIE

traceyscouse — 2007-07-22 09:11:35Z

Hi Denis,

You and I have the same names in our tree. William Bertie & Jane Campbell's daughter Mary (spelt Burtey on marriage cert to Daniel McCann in 1847) was my gt gt grandmother.
I have replied to Helen on here also as she has the same names. Mary's sister Jane married William Copeland.
Hope to hear from you and/or Helen regarding our Bertie's.

Best wishes,

Tracey Scully.

Re: First Contact

traceyscouse — 2007-07-22 09:06:59Z

Hi Helen,

William & Jane Bertie (Campbell) were my gt gt gt grandparents. Their daughter Mary (spelt Burtey on marriage cert) married Daniel McCann (mistranscribed as Dane Macken in 1851) They had 6 daughters & their daughter Anne was my gt grandmother who married William Moorcroft who then had Annie, my grandmother, she married William Scully.

I have tried to contact you in the past without success so I'm hoping you read this.

Best wishes,

Tracey Scully

Re: First Contact

yrowell — 2007-04-14 07:58:18Z

Hians
Hi Helen,
I am not sure about anything from England but our Bertie family did come from Trieste Italy/Austria. My fathers father Joseph Berti also spelt Bertie especially whilst in Australia. Joseph came from Trieste then a part of Austria now Italy. I believe they were a boa/Seamen family and Joseph travelled various areas they say leaving ship in Australia to marry Charlotte Evans. Hope this helps.
Cheers
Yvonne