I am researching the family of James William BURNELL and Emma Maria SMITH who were married in 1859 at St. Giles, Cripplegate, East London, England. They had a son also named James William BURNELL b. 1860 Shoreditch, London, England.

On the 1861 Census James William BURNELL (Machinist) born Stepney, London, England, his wife Emma Maria, son James W. BURNELL (age 5 months) and Niece Elizabeth BREW (age 4) were living at 17 Parker Street, Shoreditch, London, England.

On the 1871 Census James BURNELL (age 10) is residing with his Widowed Grandmother Mary SMITH (Ribbon Quiller) and Cousin Christopher BREW (age 20) at 1 New Buildings, Cripplegate, London, England.

James William BURNELL married Rose Margaret THOROWGOOD at Poplar, London, England in 1879.

James William BURNELL and Rose Margaret had a daughter named Rose Lillian BURNELL b. Poplar, London, England c1880.

On the 1881 Census James W. BURNELL (Brass Finisher), his wife Rose M. BURNELL and daughter Rose L. BURNELL were residing at 21 Evans Street, London, England.

In some instances the SURNAME appears as BURWELL.

I would like to make contact with anyone else who may be researching any of these family members.. Any descendants out there?

I am researching Alice Burnell or Burnal born 1872 Reigate district. In 1891, age 18, she was with her sister Sarah, as a visitor, at the District Philanthropic Farm School Reigate Foreign with her sister Sarah age 23. Family anecdotes say she bore an illegitimate son James soon afterwards. This son is shown in 1901 with Henry J Reeve & family, as adopted son & family anecdote state that Henry was his natural father. James married as James Reeve & he was my son in law's grandfather.

According to earlier census Alice's parents were James born Burstow Surrey & Emma born Westbury Wilts. Their eldest son is shown as William born about 1862/3. William is the only child I have been unable to find in birth records, but if he was James William, known as William to avoid confusion as his father was also James, this could be the reason I could not trace him!!!!

A query has arisen as someone else tracing this family believes re Alice's parents - Emma was Emma Hill who married James Burnel Q4 1859 East London whereas I have James William Burnell & Emma Maria Smith 25/12/1859 St Giles Cripplegate East London, (ref LDS IGI) & BMD Q4 1859 East London. Emma Hill was also from Westbury Wilts.

Can you help with my quandary as to who is correct? My email address is in lower case, SNIKWAHRM@HOTMAIL.COM

Regards

Margaret

Birth record for William:-

William James Burnal born March qtr 1863 District of Reigate ref: 2a 141

James Burnal b 1842 parents James Burnale & Maria Strudwick marriage Sept qtr 1837 District of Reigate ref: 4 349

1841 census:
Smallfield, Burstow, Surrey
William Burnal 55 Bricklayer Surrey
Mary Burnall 55 Surrey
James Burnal 25 Surrey
Maria Burnal 25 Wife Surrey
Mary Burnal 20 Surrey
Elizabeth Burnal 12 Surrey
Mary Burnall 1 month Surrey

To ascertain which Burnall you are looking at you need to get both marriage certificates & check fathers names & witnesses. Maria went on to marry Thomas Field, so he may be listed as father.

To confuse you even more, I think you're looking for this marriage.
James Burnal to Emma Mary (or Mary Emma) Hill Dec qtr 1861 District of Reigate ref: 2a 223

James was still living with his parents in the 1861 census, so I reckon this is the one you're looking for, which would tie in with William's birth followed by his brother Jesse (Jun qtr 1865 District of Reigate ref: 2a 137)

Good luck

I am researching my husband's family, and Rose Lilian Burnell was his grandmother :) Thanks for this wonderful information -- we may have some other things we can share with you. My email is mco@ns.sympatico.ca