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Anthony Donne watchmaker Holborn b c 1693

jacquelineroberts14 — 2011-10-09 11:47:57Z

I am descended from Anthony via his grandson Robert b c 1763/4 Red Lion Street, lighterman, later of Greenhithe in Kent. Can anyone tell me how we know the ancestry of the Donnes of Kidwelly and how sure we can be that Anthony was the son of Robert born 1660? It all looks too good to be true! I am happy that Anthony owned a house in Carmarthen because he left it to his son Anthony in his will of 1751.

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

Peter_Row — 2009-12-31 20:16:30Z

John, thanks for the reference to John Donne the Younger's will.

No, the family doesn't have any specifics wrt which of John Donne Snr's children they descend.

I have confirmed that Ethel Agne's Donne's parents, James Donne and Jessie Sinclair were married in Madras in 1867 [Transcription of Madras Marriage Indexes 1851 - 1870; Marriage Year 1867; Prefix N/2; Volume Number 48; Folio 347; LDS Film Reference 521855; IOR Reference Z/N/2], but I know nothing of James Donne's origins at this stage.

Peter

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-31 16:13:36Z

Peter,

If your wife's great grandmother, Ethel Agnes Donne, was born abt 1860, that would make her something like a 9th generation descendant of John Donne the Younger. Are there any other details about the tradition of descent from John Donne the Elder (b. 1572)? Could one of John Donne the Younger's sisters' descendants have taken back the surname Donne? I think there is some more information about descendants through these female lines.

John

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-31 00:53:37Z

With the help of a genealogist I have been able to access the will of John Donne the Younger. He mentions no wife nor children and leaves all this property to non-relatives except for an item to a cousin. When he wrote his will, he lived alone with one servant. I have continued to correspond with this helpful genealogist. I could be that all of John Donne the Younger's children, if he had any, predeceased him. Or it could be that he was estranged from his family; he led a very strange and unconventional life. Does your family have any specifics about the tradition of descent from him, e.g. his child through whom your family descends?

His will was published in a strange book entitled
"Gossip of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries"

It is available at
http://books.google.com/books?id=ka7VQhRK4jkC&pg=PA59&am...

John

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

Peter_Row — 2009-12-19 00:29:27Z

John

My wife's 1G Grandmother was Ethel Agnes Donne. She and her husband, Frederick William Hazells (1864- 1916) had (at least) five children, three of which had their mothers surname recorded as one of their middle names. For example, Colin Leslie Donne Hazells, Hazel Doris (Dolly) Donne Hazells (my wife's grandmother) and Donald Frederick Donne Hazells.

Frederick, Agnes and their children were all born in India.

One of the 'family stories'that my wife's grandmother told from time to time was that her mother, Ethel Agnes was descended from John Donne, the English Jacobean poet and Dean of St Paul's Cathedral in London. Unfornunately I have had some diffuculty following her line farther back, so I thought I might be able to test the old lady's claim by endeavouring to follow the line forward from Donne and his immediate family, hence the reference to John Donne the Younger and Mary Staples.

Regards, Peter

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-18 19:02:49Z

Depending on what I find in John Donne the younger's will and obituary, I might propose as an hypothesis, that he had a son Francis, named for his (John the younger's) deceased brother, b. abt. 1635, became one of the founders of the Quaker movement in Yorkshire, appears there in Quaker records with Robert Dunn (b. est. 1665). A Robert Dunn came to Pennsylvania aboard the Quaker ship, The Temperance, in 1683. This Robert had sons Richard and John, who founded the Quaker Settlement called "Dunn's Creek" on the upper Cape Fear River in N. Carolina, in 1735. This John had sons Richard and ROBERT. If this hypothesis is not disproved by records, then it is a working hypothesis that cannot be refuted. Do you think you might have a line descending from John Donne the younger?

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-18 18:41:14Z

I am now in the process of trying to get copies of the obituary and will of John Dunn the younger. References to his will I have found so far refer to literary materials of his father and his own birds (doves) given to friends, not to family. I have learned that John Donne the younger was tried for manslaughter, the killing of a child, and acquitted. He seems otherwise to have had a very bad reputation.

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

Peter_Row — 2009-12-09 21:45:38Z

Yep! I read it as the latter

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-09 19:31:10Z

I consulted a better copy of the manuscript that I quoted before, "and we may easily suppose that Dr. Donne, separated from his beloved wife and family, whom he had left in a very distressful situation, must have sufi'ered the most poignant anxiety of mind, and of course much indisposition of body." The passage is ambiguous since it follows remarks made about John Donne, the son. But taken in its larger context, it now seems to me that the passage is about John Donne, the father.

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-08 20:38:14Z

In fact I find now a definite reference to John Donne the younger's family.

http://www.archive.org/stream/livesofdrjohndonn00walt/liveso...
The Full Text if the lives of Dr. John Donne, ...

"and we may easily suppose that Dr. Donne, separated from
his beloved wife and family, whom he had left in a very distressful situation, must have sufi'ered the most poignant anxiety of mind, and of course much indisposition of body."

Re: Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

johnasherdunn — 2009-12-08 20:01:42Z

Yes, this information is correct. No children are of record for this family, but John lived for some 35 years after his marriage to Mary Staples. I think it is likely they or he had children. One person of interest is Francis Donne/Dunn who was one of the first founders of the Society of Friends movement in Yorkshire. He is the right age to be a son of John Donne and Mary Staples. Francis is the name of one of John Donne's brothers who died without issue.
It is likely John Donne spent time in Padua, Italy. Perhaps there might be some records there.

Joseph Donne/Downe

merlinwv — 2009-09-13 03:07:32Z

I am looking for any information on Joseph Donne (also spelled Downe). According to census, he was born in Brighton. I know that by 1871 he was married to Sarah Jane Young and living in Hammersmith. I also know there is another Joseph Donne from Brighton - this one married a Sarah Hudson.
Thank you for your assistance

Jonne Donne the younger and Mary Staples

Peter_Row — 2009-06-07 21:29:19Z

There is some suggestion that John Donne the younger, eldest and longest surviving son of John Donne the Dean of St. Paul's Cathedral (1621) may have married Mary Staples at Camberwell, 27th March 1627.

If so, did they have any children?

Peter

Re: Donne

mpbriars — 2008-05-26 09:08:35Z

Hi Nick

No parents as yet but three kids. Jane(b.1722, Anthony(b1728), who was apprenticed to his father and Robert(b.1733, d. 1805)also apprenticed to his father, married to a Jane Sharpe at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch in 1774. Two trees I have seen, have Anthony Sr. married to a Jane unknown but a third mentions a Grace Richbell(b. abt 1700)and has a marriage at St.Benet's, Paul's Wharf, London. The Richbell's were in the Painter's Company and two reside in Westminster Abbey.The Richbell's have connections to the Chitty Family of London, who endowed St Benet's. Interestingly, in searching Marriages on the Origins Network , I came across this one - John Donne and Mary Hooker 1609, St. Peter's, Paul's Wharf. Any ideas welcome.

Mark

Re: Donne

nedwards15 — 2008-05-25 10:18:31Z

I do not have an Antony b 1693 on my tree.
There are a few queries to my tree around this era.
Do you have any childrens name or wife's name, or indeed his parents.
If any of these then tie up, it can help to unravel a bit more.
regards
Nick

Re: Donne

mpbriars — 2008-05-24 20:05:31Z

Hi

Anthony (b. 1693 d.1751). Have just aquired a copy of his will and he mentions bequests of property in Camarthen. Sorry only just seen your thread.

Mark(mpbriars@yahoo.co.uk)

Re: Donne

TDunn4233 — 2008-04-21 14:52:25Z

Hi Nick,
I don"t know how to look at your tree. Any advise would be appreciated. The John Donne who married Elizabeth Hastings, and died in 1503, is the same John Donne I'm referring to. He had four children: Edward, Griffith, Anne, and Margaret. John (~1430-1503)was the son of Gryffudd Dwnn.
If you know of other sons of this John Donne, I'd be most interested to hear. Also I note that your from Maidstone, Kent, who was the earliest Donne/Dene/Dunn in that area?
Regards
Tom

Re: Donne

nedwards15 — 2008-04-21 12:31:16Z

I use the ancestry.co.uk website and most of my info is under Edwards/Donne trees.
What date do you have for this Sir John Donne and do you have his father?
My Sir John Donne d 1503 was m to Elizabeth hastings.
One son was Gryffdd 1455-1544 who married Ann and had d Elizabeth d 1590
I need to look into your Sir Griffith 1487 to 1543 who m Elizabeth Roche Eden - i do not have these on my tree.
regards
Nick

Re: Donne

TDunn4233 — 2008-04-21 10:58:31Z

Hi Nick,
What website are you referring to? I have an Elizabeth Don/Donne who m. Thomas Hughes, son of Dr. John Hughes, of Oxbridge. Elizabeth was the daughter of Sir Griffith Don/Donne (1487-1543)and his wife, Elizabeth Roche-Eden.
This Griffith was NOT, Gryfudd ap Owain, but was the son of Sir John Donne of Kidwelly. I think the Gryfudd your referring to was a more distant cousin.
Elizabeth Don and Thomas Hughes had a daughter Grisold Hughes, who was married, 1st to Edward Neville, and 2nd to Francis Clifford.
Regards
Tom Dunn, Kilbrittain, Co. Cork, Ireland

Re: Donne

nedwards15 — 2008-04-21 08:30:37Z

Sorry not to reply earlier but didn't see your message.
However your contacts could be useful.
I have a Gruffydd ap Owain Donne b1500-1570 m to Elizabeth or Elen, who had 8 children, the 3rd of which is Elizabeth who m Thomas Hughes.
I need other names of the children (earliest was b 1522)
Is the poet John Donne connected here via his father John Donne b 1530.
Do you have info on the web site?
regards
Nick Edwards
nedwards15@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: Donne

nedwards15 — 2008-04-21 08:18:25Z

Can I view your tree please.
You mention Antony Donne, what birth year so I can see if it links to mine.
Most of my trees are on the Edwards/Donne trees in the web site.
regards
Nick Edwards
nedwards15@blueyonder.co.uk

Re: Donne

mpbriars — 2008-04-19 18:47:42Z

Hi

I am researching Donne and have the family tree,in part, from Anthony to the present day. if i can be of assistance, let me know.

mark briars

Re: Donne

2006-05-21 08:55:05Z

Hi Nicholas,
I to have an interest in John Donne's ancestry. I don't have any way of connecting him back to the Dwnn's of Kidwelly, but I have found some interesting possibilities.
If you would like to compare notes, contact me off list.
Regards
Tom Dunn

Donne

nedwards15 — 2006-03-09 16:03:59Z

From Henry Donne in 1362 via Owain and Sir John to Gruffudd to William b 1617
Also John Donne b 1573
Any help please