Gorman - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Cornelius Gorman

Gale_Gorman — 2012-05-23 21:37:47Z

I just changed my "Tree Settings" to Public. I thought that was automatic.

Re: James GORMAN and Ellen FRIELS or FIELDS

gorman_dennis — 2012-05-23 17:33:22Z

humm i think my dad said we have gorman in wa. also related to gorman brother lumber just north in canada walt was my dads uncle his sons started gorman brother lumber google that

Re: James GORMAN and Ellen FRIELS or FIELDS

gorman_dennis — 2012-05-23 17:27:58Z

hi i am dennis james gorman my grear great grand father was James horatio gorman his dad was samuel t gorman i am trying to find who was sam's dad etc wolfdjg at m s n maybe not the same line ?

African American Gorman' s

dejoya — 2012-05-17 01:24:11Z

I am interested in corresponding with African Americans who have the surname Gorman in their ancestry. My gg-grandfather was Thomas Gorman, a mulatto freedman who raised his family near Brinkley and Conway, Ar around 1870. Our family is hosting our first Gorman Family Reunion in August and would like to contact as many related Gormans as possible.

Re: Cornelius Gorman

dmeduri — 2012-05-14 20:36:14Z

I think maybe willaim is in my family tree. Although who knew Gorman was such a popular name. Cirnelius is from the same area so maybe there is a relation there. When I try to view your tree is says nothing is listed, but I will take another look.

Re: John GORMAN 1858 New Orleans

fjgorman1 — 2012-05-08 21:00:31Z

The Catherine (Kate) that John Gorman married may have had the maiden name of Jones. She did have 3 children from a previous marriage named George (1889), Margaret (1890) and Edward Joseph (1897). The initial for their last name was "H" in the census records. They were living with John and Kate in the early 1900's

Re: James GORMAN and Ellen FRIELS or FIELDS

John_mcmaugh — 2012-05-08 13:33:36Z

I Do have some rather interesting stuff My aunty Rose took notes on Gorman Robinson side of my mums family. I also have a death notice from USA Pittsburg Penna for the other fried sisters. They sent a religious Sacred Heart which I have because of the death of A Robinson in Albany bout 1899 According to Rose we are lucky to be here as he was a survivor of the retreat from Kabul in 1846?

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-05-05 12:22:52Z

John Francis Gorman II (born 28 Mar 1944 Colorado Springs, CO -- Died 20 Nov 1997 Troy, PA) My Father.. Parents: Leo Francis Gorman and Elise Charlotte Wagner. No way he could have left Ireland at all because he was never in Ireland...

Leo Francis Gorman (Born 11 Jan 1913 Athens, PA -- Died 23 Aug 1991 Waverly, NY) Parents John Francis Gorman and Myrtle Loomis)

John Francis Gorman (Born 15 May 1889 NY -- Died 16 Apr 1973 Waverly, NY) Parents John Gorman and Mary Donough.

Mary Donough is from Ireland... so the information every one is trying to give me is telling me that what i have listed as my father is not my father... well hear is the informantion and if i need to prove it to any one i can.

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-05-05 12:11:35Z

John Francis Gorman II is my FATHER. I know every thing about him... What you attached is my MOTHER... What i am looking for is my great grandfather... and his parents. Not my mothers side of the family...

Re: GORMAN family history

milopuck — 2012-05-05 05:11:05Z

The person in your tree, who married John Francis Gorman II, has ALL of these names in their tree. I've attached a screen photo.

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-05-04 20:37:14Z

I dont have any of those names in my family...my father side is gorman. my grandfather leo (born in 1931 in athens, pa) married a wagner. my greatgrand father was married 2 times. (john francis gorman) married first a loomis and second a conner.

Re: GORMAN family history

milopuck — 2012-05-04 18:19:17Z

This isn't a lot to work with but I'm assuming you have Woods, Barkers, Lees, and Bowens somewhere in your family. Your mothers side? These are families I know well. John (Francis?) Gorman may have shipped out of Ireland but everything about him reads Pennsylvania "German." If he was from Northern Ireland, he very well could have been considered a Scot. Which would make more sense being that he is surrounded by Welsh, Dutch, and German families. Ireland was a major shipping point. Because of this, many people assume that their relatives are Irish...but really, that is just where they got on the boat. Anyway, it might be worth looking into the German surname Görmann. The "German" Görmann and "Irish" Gorman are still historically related... But this makes more sense with what I think I know of John Francis. He surrounded himself almost completely with "German" families. This would be an odd move for the truly Irish. Anyway, the Scots in Ireland go way back with Germans. The regular Irish do not.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-05-02 20:58:13Z

Milopuck, you are right. A lot of our people transitioned into "mainstream" American & didn't want people to know their history because they had been discriminated against in Ireland. A lot wanted a new start in America. I suspect all of the Gormans are related in some fashion.

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-05-02 13:36:34Z

What I have found out is that my Gorman family settled in the NY - Pa border near Waverly - Sayre - Athens in the 1830's to the 1850's and started farmeing their and were also train men. My greatgrand father, John was born in 1889 worked for the Lehigh Valley Railroad. They came from RI. And before that Ireland.

Re: GORMAN family history

milopuck — 2012-05-02 06:17:12Z

You ARE finding out about your family. Gormans (sometimes seen as Gormon) were a traveling bunch. This is a specific name to a very specific group of people. It wasn't rare, and very openly and widely known, until about the 1920s. Being that you have never heard about this from any of your relatives, I suspect it was your grandmothers generation that "transitioned" into the family that you know now...and they most likely never spoke of it again. This is a common story for MILLIONS of Americans in this country.

My tree is public but I doubt it will offer any immediate help. My family was an older generation of Romani and Jews that came here (mostly) in the 1700s. The Gorman family was around my family from 1890 to 1930 because of a common interest in the traveling performances based out of Indiana/Florida. They did business together but had very little personal dealings with each other.

You should get to know these other Gormons. They ARE talking about your people.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-05-01 14:09:17Z

Let me give you an example of finding families on this board. Several yrs. ago, a man in Liverpool, England contacted me on this board regarding my grandfather's side that I was searching. He had a family member in Arizona who had a genetic disease who was searching family roots. I told him I didn't have any family out west and he said yes, I did. I was hesitant to talk to this lady, but once I did I found out she is my second cousin. My grandfather had a sister who married a non Irish person in late 1800s & she was kicked out of the clan. I also always was told that there were only 2 boys who migrated from Ireland--my grandfather's father & brother. Wrong. I now know they got a ship from Liverpool & brought a sister with them who settled in Atlanta. I have learned so much from this board. Keep an open mind and you too might find some long lost relatives. Good Luck

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-05-01 11:24:56Z

It is not that i am picking or choseing what people i am related to...but your not connection with the information that was posted...that is all i know and where the informatlion comes from. and as for terms of "travelers" i have never even heard of it. from any of my family members. the only information that i have on JOHN GORMAN is that he was born in some where in PA. i dont know his parents or any thing about him. i do know that in the 1870 census there are 2 children named JOHN GORMAN, both are 4 years old. so i dont know what family is mine. so if you can help figure that one out it would be great.. that is the family i want to connect to. MINE.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-05-01 03:11:56Z

Traveling Lady, I did read your original post where you posted that you have been looking for history of Gormans for a long time. Now you want to pick & choose which Gormans you are related to.Are you really interested in your genealogy? Genealogy is indiscriminate. My Gormans (& I would imagine the families of the other Gormans posting) would have all come to America from Ireland through New York. Some of my family probably stayed in the Northeast, while others migrated south to find other family members who had migrated earlier.
Most would have sailed from the port at Liverpool, as my family did. How do you know which Gormans you are kin to? Please learn to research with an open mind

Re: Cornelius Gorman

Gale_Gorman — 2012-04-30 23:31:43Z

Both. My 2nd great grandfather, William Gorman, came from Clogheen, Tipperary, Ireland. My maternal grandfather, Harry Cecil Matthews, came from Manchester, England.

I do have my tree on Ancestry and I think I left it open to the public. It would really be out of character for me to make anything private.

Re: Cornelius Gorman

dmeduri — 2012-04-30 22:46:23Z

My grandmothers maiden name was Gale and she gave it to my dad John as a middle name. YOu don't have any family history yet or family tree. Are your people from Ireland, or England?

Re: Cornelius Gorman

Gale_Gorman — 2012-04-30 20:23:21Z

I just read this with interest when I saw my name in the thread. I'm Gale Gorman, b.1940 and I don't have a middle name. Probably would have helped since people have figured I'm female for 71 years now.

Don't recall a Cornelius in my tree.

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-04-29 14:38:08Z

no i am not but you not even close to my family eather. or did not read toe original post .... all my family is listes their

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-29 03:41:18Z

Hello, some of us Gormans are Travellers. You apparently are not. Are you familiar with the term Traveller?

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-04-28 21:34:42Z

I think I have talked to you before. My grandmother is still liveing in Waverly, NY.. her name is Elsie Gorman. Her husband, Leo Gorman, passed away in 1991. Their sons were Richard Gorman, Still liveing in Waverly, and John Francis, 2nd. Passed in 1997. John was my father.

Re: GORMAN family history

TravelingLady209 — 2012-04-28 21:20:51Z

I dont know why you are posting for a "Traveler" Family on hear.... I is not connected to mine...

Re: Bridget Hanrahan Rowan

lyndyc222 — 2012-04-25 14:59:32Z

My new contact information is lyndyc@suddenlink.net. in Eureka, CA USA.

Cornelius Gorman

dmeduri — 2012-04-19 04:57:50Z

Hello, I noticed your post and believe we are related. Cornelius was my great x3 grandfather. You have a lot of of information I would love to compare notes. The John you mention with no info is my great x2grandfather. My great grandfather is sylverster, grandfather sylvester and my father is john gale gorman B 1941
debbie meduri

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-15 20:52:38Z

Google Shelta language. You can pull up a lot of phrases that you will probably recognize. My Gorman side has dark complexion & very Gypsy looking. My grandmother had dark red hair, green eyes, & dark complexion.Her brother had black hair,black eyes, and dark. It was interesting to read that the Gormans lived as part of the Melungeons. That is a very unique group.. Google them. I didn't realize that Travellers were part of them too. So much great info on this board. Thanks to all

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-15 01:07:02Z

I am just beginning to research and already this is so fascinating! I had not known of the Melungeon peoples. My Gormans moved around quite a lot, but did live in trailer courts in Indiana. I don't recall hearing anyone in the family label the language as Shelta, or Cant, but I have seen many familiar words on Traveller websites. It was never written, and always spoken as a mixture with English words, very low and fast, with a kind of Irish lilt. As a young girl in school, my cousins and I got some odd glances when we spoke together using it. My Gorman group were/are very fair skinned (pinkish)with dark or light curly hair.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-15 00:16:16Z

I have read some about the Melungeons and that they were Gypsies/Traveller blood. In the 1700s-mid 1900s there was limited access by transportation & it is understandable that people didn't migrate or visit once settled. I only have my Gormans back to my grandmother, born in 1880. Her mother was a McDonald & her sister, who married a Mulholland, raised her after her Mom died.She had a brother, John, raised by his Dad who would come to visit once a yr. I remember him from when I was a child. This is a tough group to research. I give up & then start again every 2-3 yrs. Since your family was isolated, did you speak a form of Shelta language or did they have their own

Re: GORMAN family history

milopuck — 2012-04-14 09:19:45Z

Sorry I don't have more for you. I know the Gorman family as cousins of cousins. When you read about the early Traveler and Romani families that "assimilated" into the "Melungeon" areas of Eastern Kentucky---these are my people. My people stayed isolated from 1790 to about 1890 in Wolfe, Magoffin, and Breathitt counties. There was some initial contact with other families when they started to move out of KY into Indiana and Ohio (early 1900s) --- but by then they seemed to have too many differences. My grandmother, Arizona Rose, was the very last of the old family. She died a few years back. I just like putting little tidbits of information out there for those who suspect that there is something that isn't adding up in their family tree. There are about 300,000 people in this country, that I know of, who have NO idea who there great grandparents really were.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-14 06:21:04Z

Thanks for that. Very interesting. I was googling her name and came up with Bartley Gorman, a famous English boxer who was called king of the gypsies.

Re: GORMAN family history

milopuck — 2012-04-14 06:04:32Z

I don't know if this is at all helpful; I'm just happy to see a few people who are aware of this history. I collect newspaper clipping relating to these families. I have attached a file mentioning a Gorman. Good luck!

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-12 14:16:43Z

I always thought the media exaggerated that story on Toogood, but in all groups guess there are good & bad. Is your Dad deceased? If not he may know his mom's maiden name. If you find anymore info on Gormans, I would love to hear. My grandmother Annie (Gorman was maiden name)--her mom was a McDonald who died when she was very young. That is as far as I have been able to get. I know there is Fury blood in there, but don't know how it comes in

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-12 03:59:39Z

How interesting! I did find a little link- the infamous Madelyne Gorman Toogood is a cousin of mine - second or third cousin- distressing story - I remember nothing but kindness from my Traveller family - my brother and I were never even spanked. I remember a funny incident we were told by our mom to "wait till your father gets home" after some mischief we had done, and instead of spanking us, Dad took off his belt, folded it and made cracking noises by snapping the belt and told us to yell like we were being punished. My Traveller childhood was extremely pleasant, I remember camping out in state parks with cousins and all sleeping together in rented cabins. A huge, fun family who didn't take anything very seriously. We did none of the overblown makeup and splashy dress- what a mystery

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-12 03:17:55Z

Early Travellers were excellent horse trainers & alot worked as horse & mule people.This would have been in 1800s. There were Gormans in the Shreveport area in 1960s and that is only 45 miles from Marshall. There is a Gorman Rd. in Shreveport too. Wonder if that would have any connection. Since my grandmother only had one brother and they didn't come around often, I have never been able to track any of them down. My grandmother's mother died when she was young & she was raised by relatives, so even she didn't have too much info on the Gormans. They have always been a mystery to me.

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-12 03:08:18Z

Thanks for info!- I was born in Marshall Texas, Harrison county- do you know how I would find info about White Settlement? I was Traveller until my parents divorced when I was a teenager. I remember we sold "tug" door to door, (woolen material)- and my dad did driveways and tarred roofs. My mom was not Traveller. I don't remember any horse trading!

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-12 02:17:06Z

My Gorman grandmother came from a horse tradin' family. Are you a Traveller

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-12 02:13:47Z

Was your mom Traveler? Where were you born in Tx.? The Gorman side is so difficult to trace, that is why I was hoping you could get your grandmother's maiden name. If you were born anywhere near Ft. Worth,Tx, then you need to start your genealogy search in White Settlement,Tx which is near Ft. Worth & kinda like Murphy SC with lots of Travellers

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-11 18:50:03Z

Unfortunately, my mother broke all ties with the Traveller side of the family, so I have very little info. I do remember the language and hope it is kept alive. I was born in Texas, but it seems we returned to Indiana shortly afterward. I appreciate your suggestions! This is my life's great "mystery". I wish I remembered more details, but I was just a kid when they divorced and wasn't aware then.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-11 14:12:14Z

Does anyone in your family know where your grandmother was buried, married etc. Check soc. security records too. Her maiden name is very important.Did you stay in touch with any relatives from Traveler side? You might want to try to make contact with some to get info on her and to just understand the lifestyle & perhaps learn the language. Where do you remember going in Texas. There is a group of Texas Travelers

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-11 06:59:02Z

My experience is quite similar. I have traced the other side of the family to 1510 in England, and found much detailed information. I do not know Annie's maiden name. I do know that Travellers married within the group, and all my cousins, aunts and uncles' last names were Costello, Carrol, Carrigan ( or Kerrigan), and Sherlock. I have seen these names associated with Murphy Village in North Carolina, but our Traveller family was in Indiana, although we spent time in Florida, Georgia, and Texas in the winter.I hope to make a connection some day in my research. I would love for my kids to know the Traveller heritage.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-11 04:34:42Z

What was Annie's maiden name? The Gorman side is hard to find info on. I have traced my other side back to the ship they sailed on from Liverpool England (even though they were from Ireland). I really believe the Gorman side has the Gypsy blood as my grandmother looked very Gypsy & some of the Travellers have intermarried with Gypsies as we are all "Traveling people." I hope you can find more info about your roots. Travellers have a proud and unique heritage.

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-11 03:45:40Z

Thanks! - I have that Aunt Annie was born in 1988, but that is not certain. She had my father, James ( no middle name), Catharine (spelled that way)- Bartley, or Bartholomew, and perhaps two more children. I lived as a Traveller until my parents divorced in 1967 when I was 16 - my brother James Patrick stayed with Aunt Annie, Catharine, Bartley ( we called him Uncle Buck)- and my mother and I left. I have not seem the Traveller part of the family since.

Re: GORMAN family history

Karentexas — 2012-04-11 03:29:35Z

My Gormans are Travellers too. My grandmother was Annie Gorman married to a Mulholland. She had one brother, Johnny, and I believe he had 2 sons. They lived in Memphis. Met them once when I was a child. My Annie was born in 1883

Re: Travelers

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-09 03:09:52Z

My family were Travelers until my dad, James Gorman, married outside, to my mother Colleen Clark. My grandparents were John (or James) Gorman and Annie Gorman. she was always called Aunt Annie. My dad's brothers and sisters were Bartley, Jack, ( son Baby Jack) - John( daughter MaryAnn ( Maytoe)- Catharine, and Donna. I'd love to know more.

Re: GORMAN family history

kathydobbins_1 — 2012-04-09 03:03:59Z

My grandmother was Annie Gorman, married to James or John Gorman, had children: James, Bartley, Catharine, Annie M.
My father was James Gorman.They were Irish Travelers until my father married Colleen Clark.

Obit of Mrs. John (Helen Gorman) Bergan 1925

MaryRunyonHanshew — 2012-03-28 20:51:56Z

From the Chatsworth Plaindealer
Chatsworth,Livingston,Illinois

MRS. JOHN BERGAN
NOVEMBER 12, 1925

Mrs. John Bergan, nee Helen Gorman, of 254 South Wildwood avenue, passed away at 4 o'clock Tuesday (Nov. 10) following an illness of several months.
She was born at Ellingsburg, New York, December 28, 1852. She moved to Illinois some years later and settle at Ottawa, later moving to Chatsworth, where she was married to John Bergan February 14, 1875. She later moved to Kempton where she lived for 20 years. In 1904 she moved to Kankakee. Mr. Bergan died October 20, 1920.
Those who mourn her death are eight children; Mrs. Marie Cook, Mrs. Nellie Brady, J. M. Bergan and Mrs. Kathryn Kiley, of Kempton, Dan of Ashkum, and John P., of Harvey. Fifteen grandchildren and one great-grandchild; also two sisters, Miss Anna Gorman, of Ottawa, and Mrs. Thomas Fruin, of Ashkum.
Funeral services were held from St. Patrick's church Thursday morning at9:30 o'clock. Burial will be made at Mount Calvary cemetery.

Re: David R. GORMAN

patriciastaley223 — 2012-03-15 17:36:32Z

Thank you sor your reply! I would love to add those pictures to my photos if you will share them with me.

I have a picture of James W. and Harriet (Atchison) Marlow, parents of Rosie and Fred if you would like that.

Patricia
patriciastaley4722@sbcglobal.net

Re: David R. GORMAN

feesk1 — 2012-03-15 17:04:27Z

I do have pictures. I have a few more pictures of my great-grandparents, Frank & Rosie, than of Fred & Laura Bell. I really need to get them scanned & on-line. If you need pictures, I sure can send them. Stephanie