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Re: Vernon Bertrand Hanwell

markhanwell11 — 2012-05-07 06:41:57Z

Thank you for the information, this confirms information on the Hanwell side i.e. Vernon's parents. I an now trying to find the family of Vernon II. If you wish you can contact me direct on my email account. markhanwell1@hotmail.co.uk. Thanks again

Re: Vernon Bertrand Hanwell

CAC01 — 2012-05-06 23:59:53Z

Bertrand Vernon Hanwell, son of Arthur Hanwell of Nottinghamshire England, and his wife Ada Bakewell. Bertrand was the youngest, and the only one born in America. He married Charlotte Cristiana Kohler, daughter of Jakob Johann Kohler and Laura Agnes Binker. Two Children Charlotte L, and Bertrand Vernon Hanwell. What I have is online in the family tree. There are more generations there, depending on the line.

Happy Ancestor Hunting!

Re: George Hanwell Cousins

tracer4236 — 2012-02-14 20:52:39Z

Hi Wendy,

Would like to hear more about your husbands Hanwell's and will be happy to share about mine. My email address is tracer4236@yahoo.com

George Hanwell
Eliza Hanwell who marries Robert S. Esgar and migrates to MT.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2011-03-10 11:57:05Z

My line:

George Henwell/Hanwell b 1809 m. Maria(Mary)Pearce (b 1808) married Mary 12/16/1833 Church of Barnes, Dist. of St Mary, Lambeth Parrish, Surrey, Eng

John Hanwell b 1834 in New York, NY m. Keturah Jones (b 5/10/1836) married Keturah 06/1/1854 Williamsport, Lycoming, PA

William Henry (Hank) Hanwell b 11/18,/1860 m. (1) Ann Lyons (b abt 1860) She died abt 1880. He married (2) Elizabeth (Lee) Grant abt 1882

Richard Grant Hanwell b 1/20/1890 m. Ada Helena Burley (b. 12/6/1891) married Ada 11/28/1912

Pearle Ella Hanwell b. 3/17/1913 m James Paul Wiggins (b 7/7/1910) married Paul on 7/15/1931

John Wilson Wiggins b 10/15/1938 m. Kathleen Ann Lacey (b. 5/28/1943) married Kathleen 7/7/1962

John and Kathleen are my parents.

Rosanna

Re: George Hanwell Cousins

tracer4236 — 2011-03-09 04:48:33Z

Happy to meet new cousins. :-)

Charles Colfax Esgar married Ida E. Yadon (daughter of Joseph V. Yadon and Nancy Lay
Their daughter Chloe was my grandmother but she died before I was born.
In 1880 Charles is 11 working in the Coal mines in the census, after migrating to Bozeman, Gallatin, MT he becomes County Sheriff. and buys the hotel. I wish I could have known him. Here he was a character.
I would like to more about the Hanwell's.

Re: George Hanwell Cousins

wendyhanwell — 2011-03-08 10:26:11Z

George Hanwell (1805 - 1864)
son
John Hanwell (1835 - 1916)
son
John Ellsworth Hanwell (1867 - 1944)
Son
Fred Hanwell (1892 - 1970)
Son
Marsden F Hanwell (1913 - 1997)
Son
Fred Hanwell
Son
Scott Kenneth Hanwell = My Husband

Re: George Hanwell Cousins

soren021 — 2011-03-07 21:54:47Z

One of my GGrandfathers was Samuel Grant Esgar.

Re: George Hanwell

soren021 — 2011-03-07 21:49:58Z

I assume you have seen the ships list for the Hannibal from Feb 26, 1834 where Geo Anwell, age 30, says he is a Baker. I've also seen a New York City directory for the late 1830's which also said baker. The first U.S. census showing occupation was 1850 and he (George Handwell) said miner, as did George Hammell in 1860. My guess is that by age 45, his eyesight had declined and he gave up on being a tailor and went to the mines. They were not well off financially, a few years after George's death, his widow's home was sold for back taxes but her son-in-law, Robert Esgar, bought it.

In terms of the census consistently saying he was born in England, I have seen other cases where people with English roots but born in Wales, said they were English - it may have been a nationalistic or ethnic thing.

Re: George Hanwell Cousins

SherieEdginton — 2011-03-07 21:40:05Z

I come from Sarah Hanwell, She married Daniel Fritz. Their son Robert Fritz is my Grandmother Sarah Sophia (Sally) Fritz who is my grandmother.

George Hanwell Cousins

tracer4236 — 2011-03-07 21:15:15Z

Hi,
I am a descendant of Eliza also. My GGrandfather was Charles Colfax Esgar. Which one of the children are you descended from. So excited to find some Hanwell cousins!!

TTYL~Diane

Re: George Hanwell

soren021 — 2010-11-03 14:53:43Z

I descend from George's daughter Eliza who married Robert Esgar.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-11-02 13:39:35Z

I'm related to George through my mother's family. Daniel Fritz married George's daughter Sarah.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-11-02 04:11:01Z

Well, I think that it could be an ethnic thing. I have two friends from Wales, that if you say you love their English Accent, they get quite upset and tell you that they are Welsh, not from England!!! I made that mistake one time and hopefully never again.

And may I ask how you are related to the family?

Rose

Re: George Hanwell

soren021 — 2010-10-26 08:20:27Z

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-07 19:47:15Z

I don't know why there is a difference in the records. In 2006 Adrian Hanwell was emailed be his whole family tree. He still lives in England. It's been too many years to remember all the information He gave me, but he told me that he couldn't find any evidence of "my" George in England. If you look back at the posts you can get his email and have him send you what he has. I still need to search through the mountain of information I inherited form my grandmother and find the letters from Kutura Jackson.

Re: George Hanwell

wendyhanwell — 2010-10-07 19:09:59Z

Right, but in all U.S. record of George Hanwell, he lists his birthplace as England, not Wales, and his occupation as a Miner, not a Baker or Tailor.

I'm not doubting your family stories, just wondering why the documented evidence is different.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-07 18:58:27Z

I don't think the family name was Hanwell in Great Britian. All the research that my grandmother and Kutura Jackson did years ago shows the name as Henwell.

Re: George Hanwell

wendyhanwell — 2010-10-07 17:11:22Z

All documented evidence I can find on George Hanwell, either through ancestry.com or joycetice.com lists his occupation as a miner, and his place of birth as England.

http://www.joycetice.com/migrate/aliengh.htm
http://www.joycetice.com/censust/bloss/1850blos.htm (also viewable on ancestry.com)

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-06 12:52:29Z

I have letters Kutura and my grandmother Sarah (Sally) Worley wrote back and forth to each other. I guess I better dig them out and read them more closely.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-06 12:49:49Z

Could she read the names of his parents?

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-06 12:46:50Z

That's the information I have. But I never knew the name of the ship they came over on or the witnesses to their marriage. Thanks for the info.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-05 04:56:27Z

George was born in Wales. Maria(Mary) Pearce was born in Clapham Parrish, Surrey County, England.

George was a baker and a tailor. He came to New York and opened a bakery, but didn't like New York much and decided to move his family to PA. that is according to the story that I have in my book.

I remember reading that Keturah Jackson was the family historian and she wrote a family history on the Hanwells in 1953.She was b. Dec 12, 1893 Arnot, Bloss, Tioga, Pa. She died in Blossberg, Tioga, PA She married Furman Lee Campbell but had no children.
She was the daughter of Ida May Hanwell and John Jackson. Ida's father was John Hanwell, son of George Hanwell and Mary Pearce.

Rosanna

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-05 04:42:52Z

George Henwell/Hanwell is my gggg grandfather also.

In 1963 Anna Hanwell Thomas was in Europe and went to Swansea, Wales and found George Hanwell's mother and father buried in the Presbyterian church yard.

? Henwell b bet 1758-1787 Wales - Swansea, Wales
George Hanwell b abt 1809 Cardiff, Wales
John Hanwell b 1854 New York
William Henry(Hank) Hanwell b Nov 18,1860 Blossburg, Tioga, PA
Richard Grant Hanwell b. January 20, 1890 Arnot, Bloss, Tioga, PA
Pearle Ella (Hanwell)b March 17, 1913 Marsteller,Cambria, PA
(This is my paternal grandmother)

Rosanna

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-04 23:38:18Z

Yup, that's the info I have as well.

Rosanna

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-04 23:35:37Z

Hi Sherie,
No, the original information that I obtained from my aunt who received the information from a relative who hired a genealogist to do research on the family Hanwell/Henwell.

George Henwell or Hanwell was born in 1809 in Cardiff Wales and died February 29, 1864 in Blossburg, Tioga, PA. He married Mary or Maria Pearce on December 16, 1833 at the Church of Barnes, District of St. Marry, Lambeth Parish, Surrey, England. She was the daughter of William Pearce and Sarah Sabin. She was born on October 24, 1808 in Clapham Parrish, Surrey, England and died in 1876 and is buried in Union Cemetery, Blossburg, Tioga, PA. Their marriage was witnessed by William Pearce and Jane Bishop (relationship unknown). They came on a ship called "Hannibal" in 1835 to New York, America. This information was submitted in Nov 12, 1999 - Broderbund WFT Vol. 5, Ed. 1, Tree # 3592

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-04 12:52:04Z

If they were from Wales, why do you think they were married in Surray England?

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-10-04 12:50:16Z

Have you been able to find out what George's father and mother's names were?

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-01 02:47:33Z

I have heard heard about him being a Taylor as well and that some one still has the thimble but nothing about Mary being pregnant and being asked to leave England! I was told by my father and Aunt that the Hanwell's were from Wales.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2010-10-01 02:44:26Z

The original name may have been Henwell. People travelled to the US and because of their accents the person writing the information would sometimes mispell the name. As soon as I get my information out of the closet at my sons house I will let you know what I have. I have posted my family tree in 2003 on Ancestry.com and it is in One World Tree now.

Re: George Hanwell

wendyhanwell — 2010-09-27 18:05:55Z

Do you want to PM me and we can swap more facts? My email is wendyhanwell@yahoo.com

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-09-27 13:15:06Z

My Grandmother used to tell me that Mary was the upstairs maid he and Mary were asked to leave England when Mary got Pregnant. That 's why they came to America. She told me he was a taylor in Pennsylvania. She told me one of her aunts had his thimble.

Re: George Hanwell

wendyhanwell — 2010-09-27 13:07:39Z

yes, that's the one! He's my husband's gggg Grandfather.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2010-09-27 13:02:45Z

But there doesn't seem to be any mention of a George Hanwell in England either. Is the George Hanwell you refer to married to a Mary Pierce?

Re: George Hanwell

wendyhanwell — 2010-09-25 09:48:38Z

I have done a lot of research on George lately and can't get further than his Marriage in 1833. What I can figure from PA Census records is that he never lived in Wales - every census record refers to England.

Re: Agnes or Eva Hanwell from Sheffield, England

Jane Ferguson — 2009-12-28 19:21:16Z

Hello Annette,
Agnes Hanwell is the daughter of my great-grandfather's brother making her my first cousin 3 x removed.
I would love to correspond and share information.
Regards,
Jane Ferguson

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-28 13:05:34Z

Her name was Sara Sophia Fritz Potts Worley or Sally to everyone.

Re: Vernon Bertrand Hanwell

markhanwell11 — 2009-04-24 11:31:58Z

I have found Vernon Bertrand Hanwell on various census, death records etc as born 1894 died 1980. Married to a Charlotte (possibly German Kohler or Rodler) who died at Cape May 1983. Son Vernon Bertrand Jr born 1916 New Jersey. Died 1995 Cape May. Married & Divorced in Florida. Vernon Bertrand III born in Duval Florida.I am trying to find any information on this branch of the Hanwell's Any help would be appreciated. With thanks Mark Hanwell

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2009-04-23 20:30:50Z

I have no idea how many churches are there. You can probably look it up on line. Who is your grandmother who submitted it?

Rosanna

Re: Vernon Bertrand Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-23 17:45:35Z

According to Rosanna Sargent, the person I have been communicating with, Almost every Hanwell in the U.S. can be traced back to George Hanwell, who was born in Cardiff Wales in 1809, and died in Blosberg Pennsylvania 1864. When was Bertrand III born. I don't see a Bertrand listed as one of George's children.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-23 17:24:19Z

My Grandmother is the person who submitted this information. I noticed that the info says he was buried in the Presbyterian church in Swansea. Is this there only one Presbyterian church there? I would like to contact them.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2009-04-23 17:08:39Z

Sherry,
This is from www.familysearch.org the LDS site

Individual Record FamilySearch™ Ancestral File v4.19

Search Results Print

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Mr. HENWELL AFN: 1MFB-XH0 Pedigree
Sex: M Family

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Event
Birth: Abt. 1783
Cardiff, Wales, England
Burial:
Presbyterian Ch, Swansea, Wales

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Unknown AFN: 1MFB-XJ6 Family
Marriage:

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-23 13:22:56Z

Thank you for the information. Do you by chance know George Senior's wife's name?

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2009-04-22 15:29:02Z

I beleive his fathers name was Goerge also, and from what a past relative had written, he had past away in Cardiff and I think there were headstones there in Cardiff area with George ad his wife. Their last name was Henwell in Wales, I beleieve he was a Coal miner in the Cardiff area.

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-21 17:14:34Z

Do you know George's fathers name. This has always been a brick wall for us. Also did George come from Cardiff? I have all the family information after he came to American, but none before then. What did he do for a living in Wales. I've always been told that he was a tailor when he came to America. This is so GREAT.

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2009-04-20 23:33:30Z

Yes, I do recall George was married to a Mary Pearce/Pierce. There were two other people in the past before me who actually researched this information for our family tree. George did come to America, and lived in PA. Almost all the Hanwell lines in the USA are decended from George Hanwell.

Rosanna

Re: George Hanwell

SherieEdginton — 2009-04-20 18:53:24Z

Thank you for the valuable information. The name change is probably why I haven't been able to find anything about the family be for George came to this country. Is there any information about a George Henwell married to Mary Pierce?

Re: George Hanwell

Rosanna_Sargent — 2009-04-20 18:00:00Z

Yes, the original name was Henwell in Cardiff Wales. In Wales they were coal miners. When they came to the US it was changed to Hanwell. My grandmother was Pearle Hanwell m. to James P. Wiggins and her family tree is on here, I posted it several years ago. Grandmother Pearl Passed away last April at the age of 95.

Rosanna

Vernon Bertrand Hanwell

markhanwell11 — 2008-11-28 07:13:09Z

Hi, I'm trying to trace Vernon Bertrand Hanwell born 1894 and died 1980 in USA. I know he had a son Vernon Bertrand Jr who also had a son Vernon Bertrand III. Would anyone with information on this family please contact me.

Charles HALE m Cathe HANWELL, 1807, Brize Norton, Oxfordshire

theflatbox — 2008-11-14 17:10:49Z

I am not sure whther these two belong in my tree or not. Above is the only reference (Archdeacon's Marriage Bonds) I can find to them. Does anyone know who they are or what became of them? Catherine may have lived at Astrop Farm.

Re: Agnes or Eva Hanwell from Sheffield, England

EJaneF — 2007-10-23 23:31:58Z

I have an Agnes and Eva Hanwell in my family tree, they were the daughters of George Hanwell who was the brother of my great great grandfather Henry Hanwell. I would be very interested to exchange information with you.
Jane Hanwell Ferguson