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Sarah Harnes/Hearns daughter of Thomas and Deborah

ETHoward — 2012-04-21 13:41:16Z

Does anyone have any further information on Sarah Harnes(and variant spellings), apparently born abt 1768 in Philipse Patent, and widowed from a man names Howard by the time she filed her Upper Canada Land patent in 1799? She filed from Sophiasburgh, Prince Edward Counrt, and reapplied in 1818, also from Sophiasburgh. She later married a man named Irish and settled in Alnwick Twp., Northumberland Co

After searching almost 40 years, I now have several reasons to suspect that she and her Howard husband might be my GGGG grandparents, and the fact that he didn't accompany her to Canada would explain why my Howards have proved so elusive. Could she have been the mother of twins Eratus and Erastus (born: 1789 in New York State, living Sophiasburgh), brother Seth (born about: 1796) and possible sister Nancy Howard, (married Jacob Bowers) who's son George Bowers married Mary Hearns, daughter of Darius and Nancy Parks.

On what document is Sarah's birth date mentioned? Do we know any more about her?

ANY information at all would be most helpful.

Thanks you,
Erika Howard Dolmans
ErikaDolmans@gmail.com

Benjamin Harnes perished 4/16/1854???

njbook — 2009-09-10 17:25:15Z

I am researching the Powhattan ship disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powhattan_(1854)
and need info on "Benjamin Harnes" a steward officer for an article I am writing. The NY Times shows he was 30 years old ( DOB circa 1824 )at the time of his death on April 16th, 1854. Thanks for any help. Tom Clark

William Herns m. Elizabeth Thorp of Fairfield

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 20:36:52Z

Pam's information that Nathan YARNES, a minor of Fairfield chose Nathan Thorpe of Fairfield to be his guardian is very interesting.

In one of my other messages, I refer to the information that William Herns married Elizabeth Thorp of Fairfield. Elizabeth had a brother Nathan, who may well have been the guardian.

While I'm still looking for proof of a connection between Thomas Herns Sr. of Fredericksburgh and William Herns of Fairfield, the case is getting stronger. As you may know, one of Thomas's grandsons was named Thomas THORP Herns. The THORP middle name was unusual, and was probably a surname. It may be a coincidence, but then again the THORP name could have been a family name (if my theory is correct: i.e. the maiden surname of his great grandmother, Elizabeth Thorp Herns who was the mother of Thomas).

Re: William Herns in Fairfield County CT

2006-08-22 20:35:34Z

Fairfield County Conneticut - Register of Deeds: translated as best possible from old writing and poor copy by G. Tolbert.

Vol 5. 1713 - 1737, #216:

"Know all men by these present of [1]William Yarns of (the) town & county of Fairfield & colony of Conneticut for [&}consideration of fifty four pounds current money of colony by me already recd of Ebenezer Sturgis of Elizabeth Town in of County of Essex in Province of East Jersey do grant sell convey make over & confirm unto Ebenezer Sturgis & his heirs & assigns for ever a certain parcel of land lying in Fairfield being part of Burr's swamp, commonly so called being in quantity of three acres---------& also [three letters preceding name-meaning not clear] William Harns to by these present bind myself & my heirs forever to warrant & [deponet] of above granted & bargained premises to him (three letters preceding name-meaning not clear)Ebenezer Sturgis, his heirs & assigns--------above named William Yarns (writer marks over first letter written with"Y"). *the deed continues with explanation true bill of credit - at or before first day of September which will be in [?] above deed of Sale to be boid otherwise to stand or remain in full force & virtue [as] which my hand & seal this sixth day of April Domini 1733.
Signed, sealed & delivered in presence of Andrew Burr and Nath A Smith. A true copy of original recorded & conveyed April 6, 1733/s/T Burr Regstr. William Harns (his mark)

William Herns in Putnam County

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 20:33:19Z

In sending some of my earlier messages, I assumed everyone was aware there was a William Herns in the area of Putnam County where Thomas was recorded on the tax lists. For the record, on pages 132 and 133 of Pelletreau's History of Putnam County (the chapter on Road and Ferries, specifically the layout of Roads in 1744) there is the following information:

Page 132
"A highway beginning near by Taylor's, so by marked trees until it meets with ye highway that comes from ye Great Swamp by William Herns."

"A highway by marked trees from Madam Britts line to the Horse pound, so called, from thence to Shaws, and from ye Horse Pound to Croten river by marked trees"

Page 133
"Some of the locations in the above description can be identified."

"Wm Herns" was probably where Aikin's Corners are now, being the east end of the road from Patterson Village. The road from Wm Herns to Madam Britts line" is probably the Main Street of Patterson and its continuation".

I haven't been able to find any other references to William in Putnam. However, the fact that there was someone with that name there in 1744 (right around the time our Thomas would have been a child) is interesting. At least it is consistent with the theory I have that Thomas's father was named William.

Thomas Hearns in Dutchess Co.

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 20:31:54Z

In the book Dutchess County, New York Tax Lists, 1718-1787 (Clifford M. Buck, 1990), there was a listing for "Thomas Hearns, February 1759-1766" in the Southern Precinct. According to another book I consulted, in December 1737, this part of Dutchess County was styled "South Precinct." In March 24, 1772, it was subdivided into "Southeast", "Fredericksburgh," and "Philips" Precincts. The first of these precincts included the present towns of Southeast and Patterson, the second Carmel and Kent, and the third Putnam Valley and Philipsburgh.

This was the only Harns, Herns, Yarns, etc. in the tax lists. I assume that the Thomas in the tax list was the Thomas who was in Kingsbury at the time of the Revolution. The fact that there was only one Thomas Hearns mentioned in the tax lists and that his name didn't appear in the Dutchess County lists after 1766 is consistent with the theory that the "Southern Precinct" Thomas moved to Kingsbury in time to appear there at the time of the Revolution.

Josiah Harnes in Phillipse Patent, Dutchess Co.

PamWoodW — 2006-08-22 20:30:06Z

Upon looking over papers, I see that Thomas was not listed as living at Phillipse Patent, and apologize for the error. However, Michael Duffy sent me his son's [Josiah Harnes]Petition after serving with the King's Rangers (1783), and he reported he was born in Phillipse Patent, Dutchess County.

Thomas Harnes - Phillipse Patent, Putnam County

2006-08-22 20:29:15Z

Thomas Hearns (Harnes) was taxed in South Precinct,part of present Putnam Co., from Feb, 1759 through 1766. The Philips Precinct tax rolls up through 1779 (end of roll) do not show this family.

Thomas Harnes/Yarnes of Phillipse Patent

PamWoodW — 2006-08-22 20:28:08Z

Your Thomas HARNES was known to be a resident of Phillipse Patent.

Fairfield, CT Probate Records [Vol 11, p. 435] show that Nathan YARNES, a minor of Fairfield chose Nathan Thorpe of Fairfield to be his guardian (13 Aug 1756).He served in Hopkin's Regmt, during the Rev War.

More interestingly, is the record in Fairfield Probate [Vol 15, p414]. This was dated 23 Mar 1767 when Reuben YARNES had guardian Seth Perry of Fairfild appointed, as he was a minor of Fairfield "formerly of Phillipse Patent" in NY. Reuben also served in Jacobus Swartwout's Regt in NY.

Feel free to also post on the YARNES GenConnect Board.

Yarnes from Dutchess Co., NY

PamWoodW — 2006-08-22 20:26:44Z

Please remember that a lot of records are under YARNES. I am interested in this family since my ancestor, Samuel COVEY b. c1756 married a YARNES, likely from Dutchess Co, NY. There are many of us researching other YARNES lines who originated in Dutchess, and the more we dig, the more it looks like they are all related.

More in another message.

Hearns marriages online

lauryle — 2006-08-22 20:24:54Z

Newcastle District has just put a new website online, URL below. Included there is the marriage of Darius and Dorothy in 1826, as well as Duguld and Ann Hearns. There is also a listing for Sarah Yarn and Henry Read, married 1849. Lots of names familiar to Fredericksburgh, Sophiasburgh yadda yadda. check it out!

New email

2006-08-22 20:23:51Z

Please note my new email address.

Looking for Darius Harnes/Hearns

2006-08-22 20:22:25Z

Personally, I have reached a temporary (I hope) brickwall in regard to my research on Darius Harnes(Hearns, Yarnes)Senior and Darius Harnes (Hearns, Yarnes) (Junior). How is everyone else doing on their's? Pam? Michael? Laurie? Wenonah? Richard? Anyone?

Herns deed

2006-08-22 20:21:04Z

I ordered the film into my local branch FHL and the grantor is Ebenezer Sturgis, not Hearns/Harns as reported. Body of deed notes the property of deed is [description] "to Thomas Herns" Difficult reading old handwriting, but notation appears that an initial precedes that of name Thomas. Meaning uncertain. I have snail mailed this document to several whose names appear this message board, if other readers desire a copy for study and enlightenment of all please e-mail surface mail address to me and I will forward document on. Laurie, Bonnie, Pam please note I am now e-mail capable!! Whoopee! Gladys

Re: Thomas Hearns' deed

2006-08-22 20:19:19Z

You can find it posted:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tuxx/hearn/deed/wil...

Re: Thomas Hearns' deed

LindaWilde22 — 2006-08-22 20:18:33Z

Gladys - I would love to have a copy of this deed with Thomas Hearns' name on it. I am a descendent of William Hearns who married Elizabeth Thorpe - their son Thomas Hearns who married Deborah Campbell.
send message ewilde@sympatico.ca

Re: Hearn website

2006-08-22 20:17:30Z

This deed is online at: <http://freepages.genealogy.rootweb.com/~tuxx/hearn>; as is the family lines that will be of interest to David.

Re: Harnes of Fairfield

2006-08-22 20:15:20Z

I am a descendant of William Yarnes/Harnes/Herns of Fairfield (Greenfield Hill) Connecticut. I would be very much interest any copies of deeds or any information available regards to William and his wife, Elizabeth Thorp(e) or any with this surname. Thankyou.

Re: Harnes of Fairfield

2006-08-22 20:13:57Z

I am interested in receiving a copy of the dee if you still have it. I am researching the Yarnes family and this could be of some relation. Thank you in advance

David Yarnes

Re: Harnes of Fairfield

2006-08-22 20:12:42Z

Hi Gladys, so glad to hear that you are now email capable! Do you have your own computer at home? Whatever the case may be, I want to thankyou so much for the valuable information you have passed on to Laurie and I. We are so lucky to have met up with you. The Deed for William Herns is priceless. I did not think that it was still in existence. We look forward to receiving your letters, now we can look forward to your emails. Hope to hear from you soon. Welcome to cyberspace!

Your very distant relative
Bonnie Hearn-Miller

Harnes of Fairfield

2006-08-22 20:11:15Z

I have checked the film as noted in query. The grantor is Ebenezer Sturgis, not Hearns (or variant spelling thereof). Also,a Thomas is listed in body of deed property description. An initial precedes Thomas' name implying Thomas may be middle name. Would welcome sharing document with other interested parties for comment and suggestions, consideration if this is so. Pam and Laurie have received a copy, if others are interested, please e-mail surface mail address and I will forward on for your review and input. Thanks! Gladys

Re: Charles Stillwell Harns and Orilla Perkins

trapper193 — 2006-08-22 20:03:46Z

Hi Penny,
Sure was glad to get such a quick response. This is great there is not alot of us Harns out there. I sent you an email already and I will be happy to share any information I have and I'm looking forward to see what you have. I even have a photo of Charles Stillwell Harns and Orilla Perkins that I will be happy to get you copies of. I don't believe there is a lot of photos of them floating around. My mom had them. Lucky for all of us.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Chris
Bakersfield, Ca.

Re: Charles Stillwell Harns and Orilla Perkins

2006-08-22 20:00:50Z

Chris,
This is spooky. I can't find anyone in the last 30 years in regards to finding Charles and Orilla and in 4 days I have 2 people who are related too.

Charles and Orilla are my husbands great-great grandparents. He passed away 3 years ago, and I am still searching out his family history. My husband comes through Charles and Orilla's daughter Orilla who married John Baptis Cartright. I don't have anything after Orilla Cartright except for the names of Charles and Orilla - but I did have Orilla's name as Marilla. I only had to go from a piece of paper which was given to me about 30 years ago about the family history on my husbands side. If you have anything that is written or copied that I can have - with dates and names and places, I will be glad to send you money for the copying. I am so thrilled to have found some "relatives"!

I hope to hear from you really soon. Thank you so much.

Penny Cartright
hoss@burgoyne.com

Re: Charles Stillwell Harns m. Orilla Perkins

trapper193 — 2006-08-22 19:59:49Z

I am also descended from Charles Stillwell Harns and Orilla Perkins.
Descendants of Charles Stillwell Harns and his father Abraham Harns.
Drop me a line
Chris
Bakersfield, Ca.

Re: Charles Stillwell Harns m. Orrila Perkins

2006-08-22 19:58:45Z

Dear Penny, My elderly aunts visited out west a cousin Cartwright's 50th wedding anniversary-they referred to Olive. These gals were old, no lie! and I reeceived most of mine from the one who passed first. I've just stumbled onto this site, so sorry it has taken this long-if that query date was 2001 and no one forwards you this. I have Charles Stillwell Harns B-9/10/1826 marrying Orrila (Perkins) HarnsB-5/16/1825---Olive O. B-5/15/1854, died unknown, sibs were Delia Marble-adopted, Emery W.-my great uncle who lived in Michigan where I am from, then Mary Loemma, Perry Bird Harns, Olive O., and my grandfather Ensley Charles Harns. I've always been curious about my Cartwright cousins...someone was possibly pulling Auntie's leg when they said same family as the Ponderosa! I don't know about Ireland as Charles S. Harns background, predecessors indicatethat Joseph and Amy Perkins and Abraham and Mary Harns were possibly their forbears.

Charles Harnes/Harns

hoss_1 — 2006-08-22 19:56:39Z

I am looking for a Charles who possibly came from Ireland and in the early 1850's and was married to a Marella Perkins. They had a daughter Olive Orilla who married John Baptis Cartright. I have no dates on Charles or Marella. Anyone know them?

Mrs. L.A. Harnes of Gardend City, Kansas

2006-08-22 19:55:11Z

Mrs. L.A. Harnes maiden name was DeLong.
She was the daughter of Geo. Washington and Mary Wimer or Wymer DeLong.

She was one of 6 children total of 3 girls and 3 boys.
I know of 2 of the boys.
Jacob b. 1855 d. 1932 - I found her name in his obituary and he would be my gr-gr grandfather.
Abraham b. 1850 d. 1924

Any information on this Lady and her family would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Betty

Yarnes Research

PamWoodW — 2006-08-22 19:50:24Z

What I neglected to add in my message about the Fairfield, CT Guardian records, was that I obtained them from Jan Gardner, who has done extensive research on YARNES. She descends from Consider YARNES, who was b. c1773 and of Dutchess County. I am writing her tonight at rmg@open.org and hope that she is still at this address. I'm sure she would like to be in on the info posted here.

Yarnes / Harnes Genealogy

JGardner6037 — 2006-08-22 19:48:00Z

Hi Pam: Was very happy to get your email on the Yarnes/Harnes name. Am anxious to find out HOW the Yarns(Yarnes) are related with the Consider Yarns that I descend from. So many Yarns names but no link yet. Will keep working on it. Would be happy to share anything I have with anyone interested. Jan Gardner

Hearns in Fairfield CT - Greenfield Hill Church Records

2006-08-22 19:45:01Z

In volume 69-1915 "Register" New England H & G Society, the following information is shown for Fairfield Connecticut - Greenfield Hill Church Records:
Born to Willm Herns, the following children:
Naomi, daughter of Willm Hearns, baptised Sept, 1728
Iilead, son of Willm Hearns, baptised 1729
Thomas, son of Willm Hearns, 1731
Sarah, daughter of Willm Hearns, baptised November 25, 1733
Naomi, daughter of Willm Hearns, 1735
Najah, son of Willm Hearns, baptised August 14, 1737

There are two Naomi's which could mean that the first did not live. No mother's name given.

William Herns of Fairfield, CT

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 19:32:08Z

William's wife was Elizabeth Thorp.

A while ago, I came across the reference to William Herns on the LDS Family Search site. I followed it up with a query to someone who had access to some Connecticut resources (including Jacobus's and Barbour's books) . IF the information she gave me is accurate, and IF this William is related to Thomas Sr. who ended up in Fredericksburgh (i.e. was he was the Thomas who was born in 1731) there are a few more generations and names to add to the family tree. For those of you who are interested, here is the information I was given:

ELIZABETH THORP, daughter of John Thorp and Mary Davis. Born 11 June 1708. Married William Herns.

JOHN THORP, son of John Thorp and Hannah Frost. Born abt. 1679, d. at Greenfield, 1 Mar. 1742 at age 63 gravestone); will 28 Feb. 1741/2, proved 22 Mar. 1741/2. Married at Greenfield 15 May 1699, Mary Davis, b. abt. 1678, d. 27 Jan. 1758 at age 80 (gravestone).

JOHN THORP, son of WILLIAM. Bapt. at New Haven, July 1643. Moved to Fairfield. Married Hannah Frost, dau. of Daniel.

DANIEL FROST, son of William Frost. He married Elizabeth Barlow, dau. of John, whose will 1674 called her Elizabeth Frost.

WILLIAM FROST was from Nottingham, England (Lechford). Will dated 6 Jan. 1644/5, proved in 1645.

JOHN BARLOW, father of Elizabeth, settled in Fairfield, where he owned land as early as 1650. Will 28 Mar. 1674. Wife Ann d. before 25 Feb. 1684/5 when her will was proved.

JOHN DAVIS, father of Mary, wife of John Thorp. His grant from the town of Fairfield was recorded 21 Oct. 1679. Marriage intended, 26 Dec. 1672, between John Davis and Lydia Waller. [Waller was her name from marriage to Joseph Waller. No maiden name available.]

Connection to Herns: of Fairfield

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 18:23:51Z

On the issue of William Herns of Fairfield and whether he may be related to the Herns family that ended up in Fredericksburgh, here are some more thoughts.

As I said in my earlier message, William married Elizabeth Thorp. Elizabeth's siblings, recorded at Greenfield and baptized at Fairfield were:

JOHN, b. 8 Dec. 1701; living in 1742
HANNAH, b. 30 Oct. 1703; d. 15 Apr. 1758
MARY, b. 17 Feb. 1705/6
EUNICE, b. 18 Mar. 1710; d. 2 Oct. 1762
SARAH, b. 27 Jan. 1711/2; d. in 1758
NATHAN, b. 1 Dec. 1714; d. 14 Sept. 1794
NAOMI, b. 18 Jan. 1717/8; d. at Greenfield, 22 Oct. 1759
EBENEZER, b. 15 July 1720; d. 22 Mar. 1799
PETER, b. 6 Feb. 1723

The only reason for getting into the names of these children is that the Harns, Herns, Yarns names from Dutchess County mentioned on Pam Waugh's Yarns website include names like Nathan, Eunice, and Ebenezer. They were common enough names, but is it possible William and Elizabeth moved to the Putnam County area and had more children, including some named after Elizabeth's brothers and sisters (i.e. Nathan, Eunice, etc.)?

The only other bit of information I've come across is an Ancestry.com entry in Canadian Immigrant Records, Part One: "HERNS, Nathan, 1777, War Office Records: Monthly Return of Royalists and Loyalist Corps coming in from the colonies or stationed in Canada. National Archives of Canada: Microfilm Reel No. B-2867 (MG 11, W.O. 28/10), page 10, came from near Fort Miller." I checked the Internet, and Fort Miller appears to have been a bit south of Kingsbury. A loyalist Nathan Herns living in the general area of Thomas and the others (Thomas was from the area - see the information on Pam's website). Possibly a relation? A brother to Thomas, perhaps named after Elizabeth's brother Nathan?

Herns -Yarns, Fairfield, CT

PamWoodW — 2006-08-22 18:13:03Z

I had ordered the Fairfield Co (CT) Land Index at my FHC, and found:

Ebenezer YARNS, Grantor ---- Vol 5, #216
William YARNS, Grantee ---- Vol 5, #252

The index did not have years listed, so I'm not sure when these were recorded, but even more reason to always check ALL spellings everywhere. It may point to the idea that all the HARNES-YARNES folks we are chasing all came from this Fairfield family.

If anyone has access to Fairfield records, could you please check the dates on these? Maybe someone already has info on these records? So far, we now have 4 known YARNS in Fairfield: Nathan, Reuben, Ebenezer and William.

Putnam County Geography

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 18:06:57Z

I thought the following bits of information might help everyone (including me) understand the geography of Putnam County, at least the part where the Herns family appears to have lived.

Fredericksburg is an old name for what is now the Town of Patterson in Putnam Co. A major crossroads there used to be called Akins Corners [see one of my other messages where I quote Pellatreau's book, indicating that William Herns likely lived in the area of Atkins Corners].

Putnam County was named for Maj. Gen. Israel Putnam, who was stationed in the county during part of the Revolutionary War. In the act of Dec. 16, 1737, the county was styled "South Precinct." In March 24, 1772, it was subdivided into "Southeast," "Fredericksburgh," and "Philips" Precincts. The first of these precincts included the present towns of Southeast and Patterson, the second Carmel and Kent, and the third Putnam Valley and Philipsburgh.

William, son of Josiah Herns?

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 18:00:56Z

You may want to correct your records.

Some of the material on the Internet, including the LDS Family Search, indicates that Josiah and Yanotshay Herns had a son William who was baptized at Fredericksburgh on January 27, 1789.

This is a mistake. Whoever put the information out there appears to have misread the transcript of Rev. Langhorn's Register. The Register records the baptism of their daughter, Eleanor on that date:

"Eleanor, dau. Josiah and Yanotshy Herns Jan. 27"

The entry immediately above the one for Eleanor was for a William Young:

"William, son John Young and Mary Parliament Jan. 26"

There was NO William Herns in the Register. I think the person who put the information about William out there took the name William and, instead of following the line across and seeing that he was the son of John Young and Mary Parliament, skipped a line and saw him as the son of Josiah and Yanotshay.

While that nixes that particular information about there being a William Herns in Fredericksburgh (which would be consistent with the theory that the Herns family of Fredericksburgh was linked to William Herns of Fairfield and Putnam), all is not lost. There was indeed a William Herns in the area. I'll post another message with informatin about him.

Josiah in the will?

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 17:56:23Z

Laurie:
Congratulations on setting up the new mailing list and query board on Rootsweb for Hearns and Harnes research. It should make it a lot easier for us to compare notes and keep abreast of new information!

Just a quick question for you about the transcription of Thomas's will. I see you have recorded the will as saying "....my Beloved sons and Daughter Gilbert, Josiah and Sarah Harns, & Thomas Jnr....." As I've been trying to find proof of Josiah's parentage (i.e. was he really Thomas's son or perhaps a brother or cousin), the reference to "Josiah" in the will was particularly interesting. The abstract of the will that I came across in a library didn't mention "Josiah". I believe it referred to "Jonah", which I took to be a reference to the son Jonathan or John, who was also a UEL. Do you have a photocopy of the will? Can you check the document and confirm whether it says JOSIAH or JONAH?

Many thanks.

Michael

Josiah in the will?

lauryle — 2006-08-22 17:45:09Z

The copy of the will I have appears to say Josiah. I do agree that at a quick glance it could be misinterpreted as Jonah. But I compared the "os"in Josiah to the "os" in 'prosperous'in the document, it appears to be the same. I also looked at "on" as in Jonah to "on" in constitute and there is a slight difference. To me it appears the same.
My opinion, and it is only that, since Thomas was not in the habit of calling Johnston (or Johnson--would this be the Jonathan you refer to) 'Jonah'at any other time, I doubt he would refer to him as such in his will. And we now know that Darius preferred to use his second name 'David' however we see that Thomas uses the formal version here.
However, I know that anything is possible in genealogy so we should all keep an open mind, and will continue to watch for Josiah's parentage in my research.
By the way, hope you don't mind, I had to move your query to the query board and off the Wills board, since it's only for posting wills. (Minor technicality)
Laurie

Josiah in the Will

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 17:35:07Z

I managed to have a look at the microfilmed copy of the will. I agree with you. It says Josiah. That answers the question I had about Josiah's parentage.

As the will doesn't mention Johnson (I think there is a muster list that refers to him as Jonathon) or Mary, it is likely those two children were dead by the time Thomas wrote his will.

Gilbert Herns s/o Thomas & Debra Herns

mwduffy — 2006-08-22 17:27:43Z

Gilbert Herns

lauryle — 2006-08-22 17:20:57Z

I must confess that I am not as up on Gilbert's history as you are, and this is an incentive for me to delve into it a little deeper.
I have it on the word of a Harris descendant that there was a Gilbert Harris and a Gilbert Harns in Canada at the same time, both from New York. This is also confirmed by Gladys Tolbert who advises that the LDS information is incorrect. Phebe is not the daughter of Gilbert Harns, but is the daughter of Gilbert Harris.
I hope that someone else has a little more information on it than I.

Re: Gilbert Herns

2006-08-22 17:17:01Z

Gilbert Harris & Gilbert Harris Jr. get confused with Gilbert Herns. I have seen the several petitions concerning this and believe Gilbert Herns continued the land application process, even though Catherine had died by 1791, probably childbirth death. Gilbert & Catherine also had a daughter, Margaret who md. William McQuorcodale Bell ( 1 of many Wm. Bell's) and in her later petition states mother died(& names mother/ father) and did not receive land, & essentially says "so may I please have it". This Margaret is the "Peggy"of grandfather Thomas' will. I am puzzled as to why Thomas mentions & leaves something to this grandau, but does not mention other grandchildren. Possibly this cow was to be a dower, since Mgt's mother had died & Gilbert remarried to Mary MacDougall, a DUE eligible for land in her own right. Thomas may have thought Mgt. would not be provided for.

Mary, daughter of Thomas or Darius Herns Sr.

2006-08-22 17:12:17Z

Thomas (1731-1803) did not have a daughter Mary as listed elsewhere and as being christened in a Fredericksburgh church. There is no church record for that. I know & am related to the person who submitted that information to the LDS Family Search Ancestral File and that person confused the daughter, Mary, of Darius. Sometimes a "merge" feature on a genealogy program does not work as submitter thought it would.

Mary, daughter of Thomas or Darius Herns Sr.

lauryle — 2006-08-22 17:08:58Z

Gladys:
According to the register of Rev. Langhorn
http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/langhorn.htm
He records in 1788 the following baptisms:
Mary, dau.,Thomas & Debra Herns, Fredericksburgh, Feb. 20;
Johnson, son Thomas & Deborah Herns " Feb. 20;
Thomas, son Thomas & Deborah Herns " Feb. 20;
Jason, son of Thomas & Deborah Herns " Feb. 20;
Darius, son Thomas & Deborah Herns " Feb. 20;
Jerusha, dau.Thomas & Deborah Herns " Feb. 20

It appears, but not verified that Sarah was the oldest child, born approximately 1767 and that would maker her about 21; old enough to decide not to be baptized. The other two would appear to be younger, Jerusha born approximately 1770, would have been about 18 . The reason that I hesitate here, is because in the Early Ontario Settlers source book it shows Thomas Sr. with two girls under the age of 10 at Fredericksburg in 1786.

Mary daughter of Darius Sr., headstone reads she was 62 when she died on April 26, 1853, which makes her birth in the area of 1791, too late to be baptised in 1788.

Mary the daughter of Darius Jr. was born in 1828 according to the dates provided in Hastings County Marriages 1869-1875 Vol 1, page 95

So, I think there is enough data to indicate that Thomas Sr. very probably had a daughter named Mary.
Laurie

PS: please remember to change the subject line on the messages when the content of the messages change.

Re: Mary, daughter of Thomas or Darius Herns Sr.

lauryle — 2006-08-22 17:05:40Z

I have just had correspondence with Bill Martin at his site:
http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/
He agrees that he has made an error here and that Mary is not the daughter of Thomas and Deborah Herns but the daughter of Thomas and Debra Wager. He attached a scanned copy of the page the data was taken from and you can view it as an attachment to this message on the message boards. If view it from the list click here
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p...
(no break in the address!)
If you have Mary as the daughter of Thomas and Deborah on your trees, please remove her. My thanks to Gladys Tolbert for her diligence in bringing this to our attention.

Thomas Harnes/Harns

lauryle — 2006-08-22 17:02:21Z

In the Name of God Amen--I, Thomas Harns of the Township of Fredericksburgh Midland District and Province of Upper Canada. Being Infirm in Body But perfectly in my senses, and calling to mind the uncertainty of life have thought proper to will my Worldly Effects in the following manner.
Viz: I give and bequeath to my beloved wife Deborah Harns Lot Number Eleven whereon I now Dwell with all Household Furnature Farming Farming Utensals & one pair of Mares Two Yoke of oxen three cows three heifers one year old and Ten Sheep, and at the Decease of the Said Deborah Harns the above mentioned Farm, Farming Utensals Cattle Horses Sheep Shall belong to my beloved Son Darius Harns
I give and bequeath to my Beloved sons and Daughter Gilbert, Josiah and Sarah Harns, & Thomas Jnr. Five Shillings Halifax Currency each. Also I give and bequeath to my beloved son Jason Harns Lot Number Seventy One lying in the Seventh Township Bay of Quinte one yoke of two year ld steer one mare colt, two cows four sheep and one pair plow irons. I also give and bequeath to my beloved daughter Jerusha Harns One Cow One Heifer a year old and three Sheep. I also will that my beloved grandaughter Peggy Harns, shall have from her grandmother Deborah Harns or her Uncle Darius Harns one cow at least and if she is prosperous in the World to do otherwise for as I might have done had I been living.
I recommend my body to be buried at the Direction of my Friends and Do by this Constitute and appoint my Beloved Son Jason Harns & William Bell my Friendly Neighbor my Lawful Executors to this my last Will and Testament Given under my Hand at Fredericksburgh this Seventh Day of June 1796.
Signed Sealed and Delivered and
Acknowledged the last will and
Testament of the Testator in Thomas (X) Harns
presence of us--------------
Thos (X-his mark) Wegar
W. Bell
Shadrach Huff

Authority: 'Frontenac Co Estate File 1803 Thomas Harns -
Archives of Ontario RG22-159 Box #8'

Harnes

lauryle — 2004-02-10 23:49:27Z

Loved your story Tracy. Would be interested in knowing some of the ancestry of John Harnes. Do you have anything, or perhaps you could get him to contact me. I am researching the Harnes/Hearns line