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HODGKINSON Gregory S 1961 1983 US Navy

t42Restland — 2012-04-09 12:48:08Z

HODGKINSON Gregory S 1961 1983 US Navy

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Mary Hodgkinson Cheshire early 1800's

myles56 — 2011-12-17 19:57:34Z

Does anyone have information regarding Mary Hodgkinson? She married James Yates from Astbury Cheshire. The marriage took place December 30th 1834. They lived around scholar Green, Cheshire and Brieryhurst Staffordshire. Any information on her gratefully received.
Jeanette Allen.

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-17 13:29:45Z

One day we will know the answers. I note that John E Millais was born in Southampton as was his older brother William..who was also a painter not so talented as J.E.
Denys & Chris both had paintings by William. Look on Google for Clement Hodgkinson..very good article. In the early 60s we lived in Melbourne .. I knew what a really nice place it was. But do read about hime. A few years ago there was a discovery in Oz..of notes sketches etc..which turned out to have been made by Clement on one of his expeditions..he had sent them to a young lady..who married someone else!. They were recognised as an importand record of Australian history..and purchased for the national archive. I was a frequent visitor to Portugal in the late 1960s so knew the Fonseca Guimaraens labelbut only know now of the connection!

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 10:49:55Z

You say you believe Agnes was a CofE nun, whereas at least one of Mary Jane (Hodgkinson) and Manoel Fonseca Guimaraens' daughters, Agnes I believe, was a Roman Catholic nun, but then, Manoel Fonseca was most likely Catholic himself (his parents were married both in a CofE church and at the Catholic chapel at the Portuguese Embassy in London) although his descendants were CofE. I also noted on the Hodgkinson website that mention is made of one branch that was believed to be recusant Catholics.

This offers an interesting train of ecumenical thought. Patrick Hugh Guimaraens, whose brother Paul & wife also lived at 35 Albany Villas in Hove, in the 1960s, was first cousin once-removed to all the above children. He was a devout Catholic and so was his mother, Isabel LETHBRIDGE GUIMARAENS - Isabel had Darwin as one of her collateral ancestors.

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-17 10:41:26Z

There is no doubt that Clement & Henry remained Hodgkinson. Henry marr 1845 Southampton to Mary Ann Howard..no issue but they are in Census1881 in London. Clement married 3 times... 2nd marr in St Pancras 1846. I have met desc in New South Wales. If you search for notable australians you will find him mentioned. The Enoch who married Mary Ellis in Thornhill,Dewsbury,Yorks on 26Sep1800 was a different chap to the Enoch who married Mary Evamy. Some years ago I was in touch with a BBC producer prior to a programme on Millais..and the Hodgkinson connections were well documented. Henry donated[!!] one painting to the nation.

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 10:34:07Z

Forget Clement - he remained HODGKINSON true to his death and he had an extremely illustrious career as a civil engineer in Australia where, coincidentally, he worked with an ancestor of mine, Sir John COODE.

Clement b. 1818 died 5 Sept 1893 in Melbourne. He had 3 wives. The first, Matilda Mary Chapman he married in 1841. She died in childbirth, with her infant daughter, in 1842. He then married Amelia Diana Hirt who gave him several children and after her death, Annie Davis Smart.

There is an extensive and fascinating biography of Clement as part of the Chapman Family Tree on Ancestry. I recommend you look it up.

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-17 10:22:40Z

Joy I do have more data on this family You will find George Percival & Agnes on the 1881 in Middlesex. and Charles in Kent. Had e-mail this morning from Magdalena.. says she is in touch with you already! Percival marr 1876 Frances Huggins. He died 1919 Thanet. Agnes died 1934.. we think she was a CofE Nun. 40 years ago I was in touch with Denys Beevor H b.1914 & his cousin Christopher Milnes Hodgkinson b.1901. Their research started about 1940. that's another story. It's fascinating.. here is a taste..Denys inherited a lock of Byron's hair

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 10:18:12Z

Sorry Wilf. I just read this posting, after correcting your earlier one in which you give Enoch's wife's name as Mary Ellis, or somesuch.

This posting answers my question about Clement and Henry's parentage and dates of birth. I, too, have no idea who raised these two boys. They were very little when their mother remarried - ages 4 and 2. Surely, if she and her new husband JW Millais kept her daughter, they would also have kept the two young boys as well, don't you think? As Emily Mary took on the name MILLAIS - as she is recorded - perhaps the boys did so as well? Has anyone looked for a Clement and Henry Millais, possible step-siblings to the painter John Millais?

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 10:05:57Z

John HODGKINSON died 5 April 1860 at his residence 35 Albany Villas, Hove, Sussex. He is buried in Hove Parish Churchyard. His widow Ann (Canney) HODGKINSON was still living there upon her death in 1875.

With Joy's having discovered Percival and George Arthur away at school, in the 1861 census, and that census mentioning Mary, John and Richard at home with her, that only leaves Charles and Agnes to be accounted for.

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 09:54:47Z

Careful! Mary Hodgkinson, widow of Enoch, married John WILLIAM Millais. John MILLAIS the painter was their son.

Magdalena

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-17 09:49:56Z

I beg to differ with you. Enoch married Mary EVAMY, daughter of Richard and Mary EVAMY of Southampton, 7 Jan 1811. Their daughter Emily Mary was born in 1814.

After Enoch died, his widow Mary married John William MILLAIS and they had several children, including the painter John MILLAIS. This couple apparently adopted Mary's daughter as she is recorded as Emily Mary Hodgkinson MILLAIS.

In the meantime, we have another Mary Ann Hodgkinson showing up as WILSON then KEPPEL. Just WHO is she?

You state that Mary Ann had two older brothers, Enoch b. 1802 and John Gill b. 1804. How could this be if Richard and Mary EVAMY only married in 1811?

In other words, which of the two Enoch HODGKINSONs married to a Mary is the correct one? I have to look up my files, but EVAMY is a name that comes up with the MILLAIS data and references to Southampton, so I believe my Enoch-Mary is the correct connection.

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-17 09:33:22Z

I have found both Percival 12 and George 14 in the 1861 Cenus in school at Ramsgate Kent. But Geogre is in the cenus as Arther George.

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-17 08:35:44Z

Wilf you say that Enoch married Mary Evamy and had 2 sons Clement and Henry. Where as M. Gorrell Guimaraens says that they had 1 daughter Emily Mary. Which is right?

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-16 19:23:59Z

Mary Ann was born 1806 d/o Enoch & Mary[nee Ellis]Hodgkinson
Marriage to Wilson not found but they had 2 daughters. She married [2] 22Jul1848 St James to Frederick Walpole Keppel of East Lexham,Norfolk[qv] Her older brothers were Enoch H b1802 d.1875 Steyning who married Jane Ennos..no issue and John Gill Hodgkinson b.1804 d.1837 married and had 1 son William b.1830 who was raised by Enoch & Jane

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-16 17:01:27Z

James Thanks for info. The family in NZ knew of Ann Canney... but thought the name was Carney. Know nothing about the voyage to NZ. We presume John & Ann had no children. Not unusual for one parent to die leaving the other with young children. Note Clement & Henry were very young when mother married John Millais. We think that Henry & his wife [nee] Sarah Ann Howard were models in Millais paintings. Henry owned one or two ..had no issue and left them to the nation!!

Re: John Hodgkinson

jameswbcanney — 2011-11-16 12:09:33Z

Wilf, thanks for your infomation clarifying that. I see Caroline Nettleship, whoever she is, witnessed John Hodkinson's marriage to Sarah Farmer, so there would appear to be a continuing family link to the Nettleships. I have a Henry Nettleship (Druggist) who may be an uncle or cousin and was just wondering if anyone had looked into John's Mother's family at all as there seem to be several trees on Ancestry all claiming John Hodgkinson and yet having him die in several places at different dates, poor chap. Maybe this Nettleship family looked after the children you mention...

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-16 11:18:10Z

The younger John is my Grt Grand father.

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-16 10:05:16Z

James. Ann Nettleship 1784-1835 was of Torworth,Notts. She marr John H of Fleet Street in 1806 at Worksop,Notts. So all on this thread desc from this couple. I should add except for the Enoch H of Southampton who was a younger brother of John. This Enoch [of Southampton] marr Mary Evamy in 1811 they had 2 sons Clement 1818 & Henry 1820. Enoch d.1820 & Mary marr[2] John Millais in 1822. We dont know who raised the 2 young boys. The younger John marr[1] Hannah Mary Dyke in NZ 1867.

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-16 03:50:48Z

That is interesting about the painting cause we have in our family a painting of Enoch Hodgkinson who i was under the understanding was adirect descendant of John Hodgkinson. But then i have found lots of mistakes in my current family tree.

Re: John Hodgkinson

jameswbcanney — 2011-11-15 21:07:42Z

Wilf, the Ann Nettleship connection is interesting as I have an old 1874 Indenture witnessed by a Henry Nettleship Druggist of Leicester. Might this be a father or sibling to Ann?
James

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-15 19:42:58Z

John did make it to New Zealand aa i am one of his decesandents.

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-15 18:43:45Z

My e-mail is ijneilson@xtra.co.nz

Re: John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-11-15 18:43:07Z

Hi I would be interested in getting copies of those photo's to if possible.Thank you for your info on John and Sarah.

Re: John Hodgkinson

jameswbcanney — 2011-11-15 16:16:45Z

I am only recently aware of the Hodkinson link so I am trusting to the Hodkinson clan/descendants to fill in the blanks there. Albeit they are not direct relatives but none the less may have info on Anne Canney as a Step-mother. I am looking particularly for images or documantation about her or her brothers James and Edward. John Hodkinson (Anne's step-son)born c1841 sailed with Anne's brother, Edward, on the fatefull Josephine Willis. He presumably escaped the disaster but his unlucky step-uncle did not. Maybe his descendants might know more?

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-15 15:49:50Z

Hi James. You will have realised that the others on this thread desc from the same Hodgkinson branch. John's parents were John & Ann nee Nettleship. John died 1860. Of the siblings you mention... Mary Jane was the one who marr Manoel Guimaraens in 1864. John went to New Zealand... desc still there. Richard we think died 1859 Lymington. But what of the other 4 siblings: Charles, George, Percival & Agnes where are they? Did you know that Ann Canney was living near the Guimaraens family in Hove.. at a later date.

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-15 14:27:28Z

Many thanks for reply. e-mail is wjh.1402@btinternet.com.
Your H branch is letter "S". Research began in 1940 so pre-PC..just cards in boxes.. your branch came under "S". The letter from your family was I think in the genealogist Mag about 30 years ago. But its still a problem to locate you on censuses and freebmd. Just look at the death of Manoel in 1885. Your Mary Jane H was d/o John & Sarah Farmer He d.1860 and she d.1850. Cant find your family in 1881 census have tried many spellings!! Do you know Mary Jane's siblings/parents/gparents and connection with Enoch/Mary Evamy? regards wilf H

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-15 14:26:14Z

Your H branch is letter "S".. began search in 1940 pre PC days... records kept in boxes! yours was "S" Letter from your family was about 30 years ago... In Genealogist Mag I think Still a problem to find you in censuses and freebmd
I am at wjh.1402@btinternet.com Have masses of info!
Wilf H

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-11-15 12:36:30Z

As the GUIMARAENS family genealogist, I am sorry that your family had difficulties in contacting anyone of our family, especially as for years and years several GUIMARAENS, children of Mary Jane (Hodgkinson) and Manoel Pedro GUIMARAENS lived at Albany Villas in Hove, where Anne (Canney) HODGKINSON had herself lived. They were already there at least in the late 1930s.

You provided a link to a website but I found it confusing. Which of the families listed there is the one I am interested in? If you could contact me directly, I would appreciate it as I am interested in additional information on the HODGKINSON side.

Magdalena

Re: John Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2011-11-14 11:39:40Z

For info on this Hodgkinson family please e-mail me. Serious research began in 1940 by Christopher Milnes H and his cousin Denys Beevor H. We tried many years ago to contact the Guimaraens family without success. Enoch & Mary had 2 sons Clement b1818 & Henry b.1820. Clement became well-known in Melbourne.. I have met desc in Oz. You will find a tree for the Keppel family on the internet. This was a v.large family! See www.harriesuk.freeserve.co.uk and go to Hodgkinson main page. This is Family S...simply an ID... pre-PC days!
Wilf H

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-09-11 11:03:21Z

Sorry, my mistake. It was terribly late when I copied the record. This was a record of Mary Anne WILSON's marriage to Frederick Walpole Keppel in 1848. The record is entitled "marriage or divorce", hence my mistake. It does not indicate whether she was a widow or not, but this is of her marrige to Frederick.

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-09-11 10:53:40Z

A footnote to what I posted earlier. It appears that Enoch and Mary's daughter was not adopted as I found a record of her marriage and later divorce, in 1848, from Frederick Walpole Keppel, and her name is given just as Mary WILSON (HODGKINSON). Why she is listed as Wilson, heaven knows, but the probabilities of a Mary Hodgkinson, daughter of Enoch, in London, not being the same person, indicates that she may have re-married after her divorce de Frederick Keppel.

Another note. There is an obvious transcription record of the Hampshire Extracted Parish Records regarding John-W and Mary Evamy's marriage in 1822. In it, it says Mary was baptised in 1769. The date is incorrect as her christening certificate clearly states she was christened 27 May 1789. This is in agreement with her marriage record to Enoch Hodgkinson at the age of 21 in 1811.

Magdalena

Re: John Hodgkinson

mgorrell — 2011-09-10 22:45:46Z

John HODGKINSON and Sarah Ann FARMER are part of my direct ancestry line and it is a very interesting one indeed. I have a portrait of Sarah Ann Farmer, by John E. Millais, and my brother-in-law has a portrait of John, also by Millais (I have asked him to take a photo of it for me). Their daughter Mary Jane b. 1838 d. 23 Dec 1916, married Manoel Pedro GUIMARAENS in London and her brother George Arthur is recorded as executor for MPG's Will in 1886.

Now this is where it becomes interesting...

John Hodgkinson had a brother Enoch HODGKINSON who married Mary EVAMY, daughter of Richard and Mary Evamy of Southampton, 7 Jan 1811. They had one daughter, Emily Mary b. 1814. Enoch died bef. 1822 when his widow, Mary, married John William MILLAIS. They had several children, one of whom was the painter, John E. Millais. John-W apparently adopted Mary's daughter as she is recorded as Emily Mary Hodgkinson Millais.

The Hodgkinsons were eminent druggist/pharmacists, in London and Southampton and, according to family lore they first came to London from the North of England.

I, too, have been unable to find a date of death for John-W but wonder whether he may not have moved to Jersey as the Millais and Hodgkinson families were very close and the former were from Jersey.

Regarding the CANNEY connection, I note that Anne (Canney) Hodgkinson's Probate in 1875 gives her address as 35 Albany Villas, Hove, Sussex. You will be interested to note that almost everyone of Mary Jane and Manoel's children, most of whom never married, lived and died at the above address. Elderly Guimaraens descendants still lived at that address in the late 1960s.

If anybody can provide me with additional information regarding Enoch as well as his and John's parents, John & Ann Hodgkinson, I would be very appreciative.

M. Gorrell Guimaraens

Re: John Hodgkinson

jameswbcanney — 2011-09-06 19:47:14Z

I am researching the CANNEY family.
My Anne CANNEY married your John HODGKINSON 25th March 1852 in St Peter's, Thanet, Kent (her family home town). She is shown in 1861 census as living with Mary, John and Richard the children of John and his previous wife, Ann (FARMER). In this census she is shown as a widow. I have not tied down his date of death as yet but it must be between 1851 and 1861. I am trying to find any pictures of Ann CANNEY and John HODGKINSON or any other CANNEY family members from that generation. John HODGKINSON was born 2 July 1809 (Fleet Street) baptised 11 Jan 1810 at St Brides to Ann and John.

John Hodgkinson

joyNeilson — 2011-03-29 04:26:42Z

Hi I am looking for info on John born around 1811.
He married Sarah Farmer and lived in London. I can find him in the 1841 and 1851 cenus but nothing after that.He is listed as a druggist in both cenuses. Sarah died in childbirth in 1850. But i can't find anything on John from 1850. They had 7 children Mary, John, Charles, Richard, Goerge, Percival, and Agnes. All were baptised in St Brides Church London.

Re: Re : Staffordshire Hodgkinsons

meh2fsh — 2011-02-07 18:51:58Z

Hello, Agnes Hodgkinson was a Grand Aunt of mine and she married Herbert Ernest Haycock in the December 1/4 of 1884 in Walsall, Staffordshire. They had 7 children born between 1886 and 1898. Please contact me we maybe related.
Agnes's birth was registered in the June1/4 of 1864 in Dudley, Staffordshire, England Ref Vol 6c P39

William Francis Hodgkinson

brianbev1 — 2010-11-17 05:27:41Z

My great grandfather was William Francis Hodgkinson. His wife was Alice Pickering. In the 1901 England Census they lived at 68 Oxford St, Blackburn and were at the same address in the 1911 England Census. They are both listed in the New York Passenger Lists of 1 April 1908 arriving on the SS Caronia.
Their final destination was Pittsburg. I wonder why they were visiting Pittsburg? If anyone can help it would be great.

Re: John & maria Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2010-10-17 09:17:24Z

Stephen.. hope you are keeping your eye on this site. Sorry I made a mistake earlier.. It should be Margaret nee Wright 1776-1846. Her death is shown on freebmd as Peggy. I have a copy of the marr cert of John & Maria Her surname was Slater. The family did use Mackinder as a middle name. If you prefer email is: wjh.1402@btinternet.org

Re: John & maria Hodgkinson

wilf14 — 2010-10-16 15:52:44Z

John & Maria mar 03Feb1839 Radford, Nottingham Maria was his 2nd wife. His 1st wife was Mary Lamb by whom he had 3 children John was s/o Richard & Margaret Richard 1763-1828
Mary 1808-1837. This is a very large family many desc who have rsearched inc David Gunther of Pisgah Forest NC. The tree would fill a book but I may help with your line. Not my branch I have to say! Wilf Hodgkinson

Re: John & maria Hodgkinson

stephen14333 — 2010-09-05 13:05:37Z

John was born in 1807 in nottingham he married Maria Mackinder/Mackindale, they had 6 children
Glord/Claud 1851
John 1839
Matthew 1848
Charles 1852
Alonza 1858
Erastus 1861
On the 1861 they are all living In Brampton Chesterfield

Re: John & maria Hodgkinson

mi2early — 2010-09-04 20:06:56Z

It will be easier for someone to help you if you'll give some dates.

John & maria Hodgkinson

stephen14333 — 2010-09-04 16:55:03Z

Looking for info about John Hodgkinson & Maria Mackinder,living in Chesterfield & nottingham area

Mary Hodgkinson (cir 1636-1690)

patchenmk — 2010-06-08 17:08:05Z

I'm seeking information on Mary, who married Samuel Bidwell in 1654. I don't have any of her ancestors in my tree. I'd also like to clarify her date of birth and marriage date. I've read information saying she was married in 1654 and born in 1636 making her 17/18 when married but I've also seen a birth date of 1638 and a marriage date of 1653 making her 15 or so when married which seems very young.

James Hodgkinson and Jane Unknown in Preston, Lancashire, England in early 1800's

bostonrott1 — 2010-05-29 03:16:27Z

I am researching a John Hodgkinson, b. 1821 in England. He immigrated to the US in 1855 and became a citizen in Beaver county, PA.

I believe he is from a family listed on the 1841 English census. They lived on Charlotte Street in Preston, Lancashire.

Per the 1841 census:
James age 60 cotton weaver
Jane age 50
George age 20 plasterer
John (my ancestor?) age 19, weaver
Jane and James, age 15, James is weaver
John, age 12, plasterer
Paul, age 6
Jane, age 4

This is all I know. Wondering if anyone might have any information on this family. thank you!
Gretchen

Re: Edward Hodgkinson...1819...have names of all children until current times

Cblasetzky — 2010-04-11 02:24:50Z

I am related to these Hodgkinsons. I don't have a lot of info on them. I remember little Rich, Sally, Carol and now Bobby since you mentioned him. Could you contact me and help me with some of the family? E-mail me at happycampers96@yahoo.com, please. Thank you!

Re: Re : Staffordshire Hodgkinsons

Cblasetzky — 2010-04-11 02:03:53Z

Our Mary Agnes Hodgkinson married into the Hodgkinson family.

Re: John Henry HODGKINSON and Jane Ann FRANK, Yorkshire

barbje — 2010-03-24 17:51:08Z

Kath,

Thank you for looking. I know that Harriet Hodgkinson died in Moseley, B'ham, as widow of Thomas (the informant, Angela Phair Hahnel, did not know his given name, so he must have died before she resided in Moseley)on 16 May 1977. Angela may have been a care-giver, since Harriet suffered from Senility and dementia.

Cheryl

Re: John Henry HODGKINSON and Jane Ann FRANK, Yorkshire

copstergreen2 — 2010-03-24 12:54:30Z

My tree contains Hodgkinson many from the Blackburn area. We have a james ,Levi Alexander and many more not yet added to my tree. I do have a large hand written archive so I wll search through for a likely Henry
kath

John Henry HODGKINSON and Jane Ann FRANK, Yorkshire

barbje — 2010-03-10 21:52:07Z

I am searching for anyone related to John Henry HODGKINSON, born c. 1875 in Blackburn, Lancashire and his wife Jane Ann FRANK, born DEC 1879 in Darlington, County Durham, England. They were married in Yorkshire, West Riding in 1901.

Their two known children are Thomas (b. 1904 Guisborough, Yorkshire) and Edward (b. 1902 in Guisborough or Skinningrove, Yorkshire).

Edward visited his Uncle Thomas Spink FRANK (brother of his mother Jane)who had emmigrated to Saskatchewan, Canada.

Thomas was the second husband of my grandmother Harriet Sarah Ann (nee Gardner), formerly married to Charles Henry Jones. This marriage to Thomas took place 17 OCT 1929 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga Co., Ohio, USA where he was living and working at the steel plant.

Thomas and Harriet returned to his parents' residence at 17 Herschell St., Redcar, Yorkshire, England shortly after marriage. His parents resided there in the 1911 census.

I would like to find out if they stayed in Redcar, and where or when Thomas died.

Hoping to connect with someone in this family.

Cheryl

Elizabeth Hodgkinson b 1889

jaybee1944 — 2010-03-07 07:34:29Z

Looking for Elizabeth dau of Joseph and Agnes Hodgkinson. Agnes died when Elizabeth was abt 6 weeks old and she was reared by her GM but do not know if Maternal or Paternal.
She used to talk about Burton on Trent.
Unassisted immigration passage to Australia on SS Miltiades in 1913. Age 25y listed as domestic. Third class departing from Port of London.
She told no one she was migrating and no one knew where she was until months later.
There is a letter from her cousin Harold Upton dated Aug 1917 serving in the Army.
Elizabeth is listed 1914 electoral roll at Francis St Echuca.

Re: Hodkinson (not Hodgkinson!)

wilf14 — 2009-11-21 16:39:57Z

Frederick Hodkinson was a stone mason and Born Bollington, Cheshire c.1876... should be in freebmd.