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Holzer, Jacob

jpetri2211 — 2012-04-29 15:36:32Z

Looking for burial place of Civil War Veteran,Jacob Holzer
Pvt. 5th Michigan Inf. Co. K
Enlisted Bay County, Michigan

Re: Mary Lea Dowling Holzer

1_Rmdrigsby — 2012-04-20 01:40:08Z

My maternal grandmother was married to John Holzer who was a railroad switchman. My mother Marion had a brother named Harry who married a lady named Catherine. According to what we have found Harry was born in 1907. Feel free to contact us if you feel this information is of any use to you.

Re: Holzer Family History

taniagirma — 2012-01-04 01:57:20Z

My grandfather was John Holzer. His parents were Michael and Filomena Holzer. They spent a short time in North Dakota before emigrating to Saskatchewan, Canada. They came over in 1905. We too have a Lawrence Welk connection. Family history says we were related to Lawrence Welk. Still trying to figure out the connection. I realize your post is twelve years old. I hope you get this message! God Bless.

Re: Conrad Paul Holzer of Van Nuys, California

VZutz — 2011-06-15 20:16:34Z

Dear Mary,

Thank you for the reply. I am doing family history and am related through the Zutz family. I have information and would be happy to share it with you. Please email me at hotspurs(at)gwtc.net and I'll send some details.

Sandy Zutz Daltrey

Re: Conrad Paul Holzer of Van Nuys, California

pzeoli4274 — 2011-06-15 18:41:54Z

This is a very old post, but I'll try. I am Suzanne Holzer's daughter. She died over 6 years ago and Paul (what he went by)died sometime before that. They had been divorced for some time. Hope this helps, please respond if you get this. Mary Zeoli

HOLZER Bobby L - Vietnam Wall section 7W

t42Vietnam_ParkerCoTX — 2011-05-08 02:16:14Z

HOLZER Bobby L - Vietnam Wall section 7W

Honor our Veterans. This is one of many photographs of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Parker Co, TX. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 220,676 photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Parker), cemetery(Vietnam) and Surname.

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is not my family.

Cynthia Ann Holzer, 62, of Latrobe,daughter of ,Harry and Bertha (Crocker) O'Barto.

KENNELLYMARKA — 2011-04-16 02:28:35Z

Cynthia A. Holzer
Latrobe

Cynthia Ann Holzer, 62, of Latrobe,
died Thursday, April 14, 2011,
in Excela Health Latrobe Hospital,
surrounded by her loving family and friends
She was born Jan. 8, 1949, in Latrobe,
a daughter of the late Harry and Bertha (Crocker) O'Barto. She was a member of The Way Church, Latrobe, and was employed by Arc of Westmoreland. Cindy devoted her life to caring for her family, the elderly and people with developmental disabilities. She enjoyed spending quality time with her family, antiquing, music and dancing, as well as collecting butterfly decorum.
Besides her parents,
she was preceded in death by her brother, James O'Barto; and a nephew, Bradley Kuhns.
Cindy is survived by her husband, Bernard E. Holzer;
one son, Jamie Barchanowicz and his wife, Kelly, of Georgia; two daughters, Tina King and her husband, Frank, of Belle Vernon, and Mindy Lawson and her husband, Travis, of Greensburg; three sisters, Leona Shannon, and her husband, Ronald, of Latrobe, Anita Mickinak, and her husband, Ronald, of Latrobe, and Patricia Kostyo and her husband, Paul, of Mt. Pleasant;
and eight grandchildren, Jesse, Abbigail, Emma, Aidan, Arthur, C.J., Frank and Bella. She is also survived by a number of nieces and nephews. Family and friends will be received from 3 to 5 and 7 to 9 p.m. Saturday in the JOHN J. LOPATICH FUNERAL HOME INC., 601 Weldon St., Latrobe. Services and interment will be private.
(Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Tribune)

The Way Church,"

HOLZER Richard E Jr - Vietnam Wall section 20W

t42Vietnam_ParkerCoTX — 2011-02-03 14:17:24Z

HOLZER Richard E Jr - Vietnam Wall section 20W

Honor our Veterans. This is one of many photographs of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Parker Co, TX. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 219,138 photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Parker), cemetery(Vietnam) and Surname.

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is not my family.

Re: Nicholas Holzer 1855 Indiana

smithra79 — 2010-09-11 20:39:13Z

Hi! My name is Becky (Holzer) Smith - and I have been trying to find out more about this branch of Holzers for long time. I am descended from Frederick Holzer (1824-1886), who immigrated from Baden in 1847 to Indiana - Jefferson County (where Madison, IN is). In 1851, a Nicholas and a Peter Holzer immigrated to the same area, and these three show up in court together going through naturalization. I don't know how they are related, but I suspect they are members of the same family. I have been able to track a lot of the descendants of Frederick and Peter Holzer, but I have very little information on Nicholas Holzer's family. I do have a (unverified) list of Nicholas' children, and your Nicholas Holzer (Joseph N.'s father) appears to be one of them.

Nicholas Holzer (1822? - 1890 in Ripley Co, IN)
married Louisa Lorch (1832, Prussia - 1895)

Their children:
1)Anna, b.1852 Ripley Co. IN, died before 1860
2)Jacob Frederic, b.1854 d.1922 m.Maria Katherine Kremer
3)Nicholas W., b.1855 Ripley Co, IN - d.1898 Ripley Co, IN
m. Eliabeth Brockhaus
4)John H., b.1858/9 d.1893
5)Catherine b. 1861 m. Charles Payne
6)Peter b.1863, d.1938 in Chicago m. Martha ?
7)Margaret b.1865
8)Frederick J. b.1868 m. Ellen/Nellie Leary
9)Frank b.1870 died before 1880
10)Mary Magdalena b.1871
11)Ella b.1881

If you have more information on this family, I would LOVE to hear from you.
You can email me directly at smithra@comcast.net

HERMAN HOLZER and LOUISE RENNHACK

WilliamDJr26 — 2010-03-22 00:51:05Z

I am looking for information of the family of HERMAN HOLZER and his wife LOUISE RENNHACK (1891-1968). During the 1920s and 1930s he opperated a store in Russell, Kansas. Their children were KENNETRH HOLZER (4 March 1913- May 1987) and ELINOR HOLZER (1916-?). They were married in Berrien County, Michigan where their children were born but lived most of their life in Russell, Kansas

Phoebe Holzer 1796-1870s, Pennsylvania & Ohio

CGraham1535 — 2010-01-04 20:31:20Z

Anyone out there have a Phoebe/Fabey Holzer who married Brice Cavey (1798-1870s) probably in the 1820s? Brice Cavey was born in Maryland and Phoebe was born in Pennsylvania. They are listed in the 1850 census in Maryland and moved their family to Ohio by 1860. They are listed in the 1860 and 1870 censuses for Ohio, but are gone (deceased?) by 1880.

Thanks for any clues!

Fanny Holzer

olyelkgirl — 2010-01-04 02:28:35Z

I am looking for anyone with information about Fanny Holzer. She was born in 1908 in Nuerberg, Germany and was of Polish descent. She arrived in NY of July 1925. On the 1930 Census she resided as the niece of Louis & Bertha Wehr.

Any help or direction is appreciated. Thanks.

Nicholas Holzer 1855 Indiana

emwauson — 2009-11-23 02:36:07Z

My Grandmother was Edythe Jennett (Holzer), and her father was Joseph N. Holzer. Joseph was born Dec. 8, 1891 in Lincoln, Nebraska and died July 1, 1941 in Minneapolis, MN. Joseph's father was Nicholas Holzer, who was born abt. 1855. I have a letter from one of Nicholas' grandchildren stating that he was born on a farm in Indiana, near Madison, and he was one of a big family. Nicholas moved to Nebraska and then to Washington D.C.. He visited the farm in Indiana and died there on Sep. 1st, 1898. I am trying to determine the name of Nicholas' parents and his brothers and sisters. J

HOLZER Marguerite E

t42GreenAcres_JohnsonCoTX — 2009-09-18 15:44:55Z

HOLZER Marguerite E

The Johnson County Genealogical Society photographed this gravestone in the Green Acres Cemetery, Cleburne, Johnson Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 207,650 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

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Re: Margaret Holzer Pack (1873-1936)

ftobolski — 2009-07-30 16:37:42Z

Thank you so much.
Do know how this group of Holzer is related to Conrad Holzer (1806-1890) wife Elizabeth (1807-1895) buried at St Michael's and his sister Eve (1791-ca 1870) who also married a Peter Pack (not the same). Just trying to connect all the branches to each other.

Re: Margaret Holzer Pack (1873-1936)

DGalata — 2009-07-30 00:31:25Z

Hello,

Margaret Holzer Pack is part of my line. Her parents are George and Eva. She comes from a VERY large German Family. Most of whom lived in Mt Oliver, Birmingham and Lower St. Clair.

Margaret Holzer Pack (1873-1936)

ftobolski — 2009-06-06 15:08:47Z

Looking for information on the parents of Margaret Holzer,
born 29 Aug 1873 in Mt Oliver, Pennsylvania, died 15 July 1936 in Pittsburgh. She married Peter Pack (1867-1924) on 11 Oct 1892 in Pittsburgh.

I thought her father was John (who lived next door to her and Peter), but some other information shows her father as George.
Does anyone have information on this??
Thanks

Re: Holzer Family History

dholder124 — 2009-03-28 16:19:24Z

Dear Monika,

I have just seen you postings and wonder if you could please help me. My name is David Holder because my father changed it but my grandfather was Moritz Holzer born 13/12/1893 in Peskow (now Byelorussia I think) but who then moved to Vienna where my father Curtis Holzer was born. He married his first or second cousin Hani Huppert. Moritz was the youngest of 13 but we are only in touch with one of these siblings - I have no information about the others. If you have any information, I would be very grateful.

David Holder

Re: Holzer Family History

ajochim0914 — 2009-03-03 07:25:29Z

I am related to Leopold Holzer who I believe was the brother to the Joseph, Anton, and Johannes that you are talking about. If you would like to talk let me know.

xxplyboishortyxx@yahoo.com

Re: Holzer family

mholser1 — 2009-01-15 02:30:24Z

Any idea what the name of the ship was? I understand one of the sons of my great great grand father did live in Chicago. I'm not sure which one at the moment and I do not know of any of the sons marrying someone with the name Ida, but sounds interesting anyway.

Re: Holzer family

rich_winters — 2008-08-25 02:33:48Z

Elizabeth Im still hoping you will contact me. You have a family treasure. I have tried to find you. Seven years is a long time to wait for a reply. If you don't have the photos I can understand. Just please let me know so I can forget and move one.

Re: Holzer Family History

malougrimberieux — 2008-07-21 13:58:30Z

Hello,

I would like to know if you ever heard about twins, 2 boys born in 1932, one called Heinrich and the other Georg?
I met them in Vienna in 1953. Their mother was dead.
Heinrich still lives, is married and has 8 children, 4 boys and 4 girls.
Is this family Holzer really coming from Poland?
Thank you

Marie Snyder Holzer, b 1898 Illinois

mydunns — 2008-04-22 22:41:31Z

I'm researching the Snyder family from Illinois. Most of the Snyders I'm searching for are fron Douglas and Champaign Counties. I have found them on the 1920 & 1920 Census. The mother, Anna, is widowed in 1910 with four children. I can find nothing in 1900 Census for these people. If anyone knows these people please contact me at mydunns@gmail.com

These are the people I'm searching for:

Snyder, Unknown b. North Carolina, d. btwn 1905-1910?

Snyder, Anna (nee unknown) b 1872 Illinois
(listed as Widowed on 1910,1920 Census)

Snyder, Alden C. b. 26 Oct 1892 ,Douglas, Illinois
(sp. Bessie Wallace)

Snyder, Leta (Elta, Etta, Lena???) b. abt 1894 Illinois

Snyder, Marie b. 18 Oct 1898 Illinois
(sp. Donald Holzer)

Snyder, Marion Lynn (son) b. 26 Oct 1906 Illinois

Edward Martin Raymond Holzer, 91, son of , Joseph and Thecla (Gloecki) Holzer.

KENNELLYMARKA — 2008-03-10 04:09:56Z

Knights of Columbus.
Holzer, Edward Martin Raymond

Edward Martin Raymond Holzer
Edward Martin Raymond Holzer, 91, of Waterford, died at his residence on Friday, March 07, 2008. Born in Pittsburgh on March 02, 1917, he was a son of the late Joseph and Thecla (Gloecki) Holzer. He enjoyed working at Kaiser Aluminum for many years, retiring in 1979. He had previously worked for Jones and Laughlin in Pittsburgh. Edward was an active member of the United Auto Workers (UAW) Local 1186 and previously served as treasurer. He also belonged to the Knights of Columbus. In addition to his parents he was preceded in death by his wife, Lillian (Erbe) Holzer, who died in 1992; a brother, Joe Holzer and a sister, Evelyn Krieder. He is survived by a son, Edward R. Holzer; a daughter, Susan F. Henry, both of Waterford; a granddaughter, Sarah Henry-Walker, husband Dave, of Waterford; a grandson, Jason Henry, wife Valerie, of Wattsburg; three great-grandchildren, Justin Walker and Allison Walker, both of Waterford and Jacob Henry, of Wattsburg.
He is further survived by many brothers
and sisters,
nephews, nieces
and cousins.
Friends may call at the A. Brugger &Sons Funeral Home, 845 E. 38th Street on Monday from 2-4 p.m. and 7-9 p.m. and may attend services there on Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. followed by a Mass of Christian Burial at St. Boniface Church at 10:00 a.m. Interment will follow at Mount of Olives Cemetery.

St. Boniface Church "

Re: Holzer Family History

jrus619545 — 2008-01-27 07:14:01Z

Please email me directly at jrus619545@aol.com as I realize some of the information I would like to share with you I don't to post for the general public.

Best, Julie

Re: Holzer Family History

monika_svensson — 2008-01-25 18:13:56Z

Wow your last post was quite old I wasnt sure if you would answer.

Heinrich Holzer (7 Nov 1987 to 5 Nov 1942) married Elizabeth

Their two children Herbert and Trudy.

Herbert is my grandfather. He came to America in 1962. It is close to impossible to find any sort of records on them. Any help is appreciated.

Re: Holzer Family History

jrus619545 — 2008-01-25 17:45:42Z

I will have to check the history which I will do over the weekend and/or call my Cousin Freddie to ask him. In what way are you related ?

Julie

Re: Holzer Family History

monika_svensson — 2008-01-25 17:27:18Z

Hello there.

I was curious of if your Holzer research that led to Vienna included the names of Heinrich, Elizabeth, Trudy, or Herbert. Any help is appreciated. :)

Looking for Holzers that are related to Schwed, or Szwed

perfectchef — 2007-11-07 15:37:48Z

Somehow the two families in Poland were connected. Please contact me if you have any info.

Re: Adele Holzer, Lina Ratzek and Anthony Suchanek

ZBeca — 2007-10-28 13:18:10Z

Matt

Common language to communicate was a MUST in the old days.
RATZEK in present Czech Republic and in Poland but in single digit.
http://phone.quick.cz
www.herby.com.pl/herby in Polish and only distribution.
www.ihff.at
I would say that RACEK and SUCHANEK surnames are of Slavic roots.
Do look in Ellis Island www.ellisislandrecords.org I know, not your ancestors but family went to family in the old days.
www.genealogienetz.de/reg

Adele Holzer, Lina Ratzek and Anthony Suchanek

MattHollingsworth83 — 2007-10-28 11:18:05Z

I'm looking for more information on Adele Holzer. She's is also listed as Adele Ratzek in some places I've seen. She arrived to New York from Bremen, Germany on September 12, 1868. She was initially indexed as Adele Holger, but this is a typo. She arrived with a Lina Ratzek, who I presume was her sister. The index lists them arriving from "Wrin", which is very likely a typo also. It's more likely "Wien", which is Vienna, Austria.

She married Anthony Suchanek/Suchaneck shortly after her arrival and can be seen on later census sheets as Adele Suchaneck, in Minnesota, then California.

I'm searching for further information about her.

For any distant relatives or fellow researchers, you can see further information about her on my genealogy website.

http://www.matthollingsworth.net/genealogy/

Thanks for any and all help.

-Matt Hollingsworth

Maria Anna Holzer b.c. 1799 and d. 1876 Haslach, Baden, Germany

CarolDewarMiles — 2007-06-25 20:24:21Z

Maria Holzer's parents were Xaver Holzer and Agatha Kleyle. Maria married Josef Zimmerman and they had a daughter Maria who married Ludwig Blank. Sophia Blank b. 1867 in Haslach. She died in NYC 1952.

Would like to correspond with others researching these lines.

Carol Miles
dewar9839@yahoo.com

Re: Jacob & Magdalena (Echstein) Holzer

npsavage — 2007-05-06 03:55:47Z

A son of Jacob & Madgalena (Eckstein) Holzer married into my family line. Ignatius Joseph Holzer (1898-1971) married Emma Catherine Lindauer (1902-1939)27 Jun 1923 in Ripley Co., Indiana. Emma is my 1st cousin once removed. If you would like information on this family please e-mail me directly at jaspayson@hotmail.com.

Re: HOLZER

nanaannemarie — 2006-10-30 23:38:43Z

After 2 years, I finally have some more information. Christian HOLZER was born 01/26/1895 in Bern Switzerland.

I have found him as a butler in New York on the WWI draft registration rolls in 1917, on the 1930 census with my aunt, and with a NY address but employed by MacDonald Logging Co, in Ketchikan, AK in the WWII rolls in 1942. Have not found him on 1920 census.

Per SSDI, he died in Seattle, WA in 1972.

Would be interested in any Holzer family who might know of Christian.

AnneMarie

LEOPOLD & KATHARINA RICKER HOLZER of STOCKBRIDGE, WI

P_Podboy — 2006-06-16 04:39:15Z

Leopold was born in Tragweim, Austria in 1848 and died in Stockbridge, WI in 1928.

Katharina was born in Milwaukee, WI in 1855 and died in Stockbridge, WI in 1902.

Seeking descendant info on their 13 children:William Casper, George N., John M., Anna C., Kathryn L., Francis Nicholas, James L., Emma K., Frances, Mathew Jacob, Cecelia, Mayme, infant/child. Most of the children moved to Montana.

Re: Emil HOLZER/Ella D. ROTH

2006-06-10 04:08:58Z

Hi Rich,
I think we have a connection here. I am related to Emil and Emma Holzer ( both born 1886) .
Please contact me at trwillow@aol.com

Craft, LaVerne

2006-04-28 17:41:16Z

LaVerne.I may have information regarding the Gosseck family that I believe you have been researching.
Contact at: Semiret2@aol.com

Re: LEOPOLD & KATHARINA RICKER HOLZER of STOCKBRIDGE, WI

francesholzer — 2006-02-04 16:10:36Z

I have a Holzer family history made by John Holzer and Marge Sternhagen Uhlrich. My Uncle Phil contributed our twig of the family. I have this as a hard copy. Many of the decendents of Leopold and Kathryn Ricker are listed.

200. George Holzer and Teresa Aultuvern
302. Leopold & Kathryn Ricker Holzer
420. Frank Nickolas Holzer and Eulalia Genevieve Goggins
538. Francis Ralph Holzer (Bud) and Lorene Cooper
688. Me (Frances Holzer)

It says on here that there exists an original signed passport signed by Charles, Emporer of Hungary. I would love to get a good scan of that passport.

cheers, frances

HOLZER

JIMRICH3657 — 2006-01-29 19:43:05Z

Looking for info on Ferdinand Holzer of Furstenfeld Austria born about 1853. Wifes name is only shown as Konig..Childrens names: Daughter Augusta born 1885, and came to USA about 1905. married William Cocron about 1910 . ..Son .Karl Holzer..May be one other daughter

Re: Holzer family

rich_winters — 2005-10-19 03:36:07Z

Elizabeth, I have tried to contact you. Please get in touch. THANKS.

Re: Holzer Family History

2005-08-24 19:11:03Z

My gg - Maria Anna (Mary) Berenka (sp?) married a Joseph Holzer from Strassburg Russia. I don't know if they married in Russia or in North Dakota. Emigrated to N. D. c. 1907. I believe Joseph's father was also Joseph and he had a brother Anton and also perhaps Johanne. I have a picture of my gg and Joseph taken at a studio in Linton, N.D. Joseph died at Bismarck, N.D. in the fall of 1919 and is buried at the old St. Mary's Cemetery in Hague. Re: Holzer history - I have seen reference to a publication called "It Started with Joseph" by Deicher. Does anyone know of it?

Re: Jacob & Magdalena (Echstein) Holzer

melinda1864 — 2005-08-22 17:25:05Z

Jacob was born in Jefferson County, Indiana. He married Magdalena Eckstein. I have Jacob's last name as Holzer and Holzerb. I have all the family info on both of these individuals (Magdalena is one of my ancestors). I will be glad to share all the info I have on them. (I have dates of birth, marriage and death....burial info etc.) E-mail me privately for more info. (mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net)

Melinda Weaver

Jacob & Magdalena (Echstein) Holzer

amglaser — 2005-07-31 22:40:35Z

I am trying to go back in my family tree. Any help on finding dates relating to Jacob Holzer who died in Indiana in 1947 and his wife Magdalena, who died a couple years after him, or his siblings and parents would be extremely appreciated. I believe Jacob was born in Germany, but I am not sure where.

Holzer, Joyce Marie (OBIT PA 3-15-2005)

myobituarysite — 2005-06-26 02:42:27Z

source: The Evening Sun - Hanover, PA 3-15-2005
Deceased: Holzer, Joyce Marie (OBIT PA 3-15-2005)
Age: 43
Last Address: Gettysburg, PA
Death date: 3-8-2005
Birth date: not listed
Birth place: Gettysburg, PA

No relation to the deceased
For a copy of full obit send email to:
rbenjamin@qis.net
(please include date obit posted)

Conrad Paul Holzer of Van Nuys, California

@@Hotspurs@gwtc.net — 2005-04-06 05:26:41Z

I am seeking information on Conrad Paul Holzer who married Suzanne Soenneken of Los Angeles, California. Suzanne's father Herbert was a cousin to my grandfather. I believe that they lived in the Van Nuys area but I am unable to find them there. Thank you.

Looking for family of Belle Holzer nee Lippitt

KimLei13 — 2005-04-05 22:50:53Z

Trying to find my maternal Grandmothers family. Nancy Jane Lipptt ad Robert Walker had three children: Fern, Belle and Asa. Fern was my Grandmother. The family was from Wisconsin. I am hoping somehow to find cousins that can tell me more of my background. Thank you.

Holzer, Theresia Shakopee MN

larooh — 2005-01-30 23:13:14Z

My 3rd Great Grandmother was Theresia Holzer 1822-1912. She was born in Germany. She married Clemens MAYER (MEYER, MYER) Sept. 1847 in Canada. They ended up in Shakopee Scott Co MN. She & Clemens are buried at St. John the Baptist Calvary Cemetery and, according to a cemetery transcription, so are Albertine HOLZER 1828-1908 and Constantin HOLZER 1828-1900. I don't know who these 2 indviduals are, but would like any information. Also, searching for Theresia's parents names. Her death cert. identifies her as Theresia Wamberger MYER.

HOLZER

nanaannemarie — 2004-09-23 11:24:46Z

Interested if anyone has a Chris Holzer in their line.

My great aunt Marie DUNNE married a Chris Holzer and they lived in New York City. I believe he went to Alaska to mine gold. I remember, in the 1950's, playing with gold nuggets in their home in the city.

Have been unable to find either of them on any census records and I know she was still alive until 1977..

Frederick F. Holzer

pholzer1 — 2004-07-07 01:16:18Z

My grandfather; Fred Holzer was a conductor on the Chicago Milwaukee St. Paul & Pacific Rairoad as it was being built across South Dakota in the late 1800s. The only information I have is that he was born 13 Mar 1863 in Wisconson and was married to Sarah Ester Wise 07 Dec 1886 in Andover, SD. I am hoping to learn more.

Re: Holzer family

2004-04-20 14:56:40Z

You can imagine how excruciatingly painful it is to realize that there are priceless pictures of your family being held by someone no longer at the e-mail address they posted. I have tried reverse searches etc. to no avail. Please Elizabeth check this board and contact me, even if you no longer have the pictures you offerred.