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Imel/Immel

DgDougherty53 — 2012-04-28 21:05:57Z

Has anyone found the 5 Immel brothers in Germany?
Where they lived,who their parents were,did they have
siblings?

IMEL Elizabeth Lynn 1962 2002 our angel above

t42LittleElm_DentonCoTX — 2011-11-10 20:22:03Z

IMEL Elizabeth Lynn 1962 2002 our angel above

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Re: Henry Imel Hesse-Cassel, Germany to Arthur Imell Texas...

ludlowbaylive — 2011-05-30 03:46:25Z

Keller's "Immel and Imel Families in America" can be viewed online -

http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~imel/

Re: Henry Imel Hesse-Cassel, Germany to Arthur Imell Texas...

DgDougherty53 — 2011-05-30 03:21:07Z

There is a book" Immel and Imel Families of America" by
Velma Byrum Keller. You can probably order thru your library
or check with a LDS library in your area.

The Immel/Imel brothers: Henry b 1756,Thomas 1757/8, Jacob
1760,Joseph b 1762 and Peter b 1764 were brought over as
Hessen soldiers during the Rev War. Keller said that the
brothers went awol shortly after arriving and then fought
fought for the
continental Army.
Peter was a drummer boy in General Morgan's VA Riflemen. The others probably were water boys and so forth.
Joseph(my line) and Henry lived close in Maryland and then moved to Fayette Co.,PA.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ejordan908 — 2011-02-25 20:33:07Z

Thanks,

I had an 1820 death date, and this confirms that is likely a guesstimate based on what you have deducted from census records. It also listed the place of death as Wayne, Georgia which is also likely just a mistype for Indiana.

I had no solid borthdate, but I did have an (unverified) birthplace of Baltimore. I've deleted this from my records until I can find verification.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2011-02-25 20:11:18Z

"None of the dates and places of her birth and death I've found seem accurate."

It would help to know what you've found, in order to substantiate or refute your findings.

Susannah was, according to the Evangelical Lutheran church marriage record of she and Peter Imel in 1787, the widow of a man named Pul. This may be the surname Poole which is prevalent in Frederick Co, MD at that time.

According to the 1810 census, the elder female in Peter Imel's household was no older than 44 yrs, and so if this is Susannah, she was born no earlier than 1766.

Neither she or Peter have been found in the 1830 census.

In the 1840 census of Wayne Co, Ind., youngest son James Imel has a male aged 70-79 in his household, the right age to be Peter. No female of that age group.

It has been assumed that Susannah died in Wayne county, between 1820 and 1840.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ejordan908 — 2011-02-25 19:08:40Z

I'm also looking into this line, and I'm finding the discussion about whether or not Peter Imel was a Hessian soldier to be very illuminating.

My Imel line is this:

Peter Imel
Thomas Walter Imel
George H Imel
James Madison Imel
Lillie Imel
Ella Jordan
Hobert Jordan
me

I've never had any contact with this family at all, Lillie died in 1927, 50 years before I was born. So I don't have any kind of family history to fall back on.

Particularly I'm interested in Susanna Kirkwood, Peter Imel's wife. None of the dates and places of her birth and death I've found seem accurate. Any help in tracking her down is appreciated.

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

xtberra — 2010-10-29 19:13:33Z

I have some info on Frederick Christian Immelt. We are trying to figure out what boat he came over on or where the boat came over from. If you have any information maybe we can share..

Re: IMEL Floyd F and Dorothy L

ludlowbaylive — 2010-08-03 00:05:44Z

Dorothy Imel, whose maiden name was White, died on 18 Feb 2007 in Fort Worth. The death date has not yet been inscribed on the stone.

IMEL Floyd F and Dorothy L

t42MountOlivet — 2010-08-02 20:32:11Z

IMEL Floyd F and Dorothy L

I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 216,204 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2010-04-17 12:50:49Z

Sorry you haven't had any success in reaching Brenda (Stone) Loupe in Vancouver WA. If you'd like me to relay a message to her via email, you can send it to my email at jshepherd_beever@yahoo.com.

She may not be answering either cause she doesn't come to ancestry online very much...is enjoying a beautiful grandbaby/toddler.

Also, as I mentioned--she tried to intercede for me previously, but Jack Scroggins didn't want to talk about it. This is not that uncommon in families where there have been children born out of wedlock.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

janet0525 — 2010-04-07 14:20:27Z

Thank you for taking the time to respond....I am doing this genealogy for a friend of mine...

There are so many conflicting stories on the Scroggins .... tried to contact Brenda before but to date have received no response.

Have a good day.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2010-04-07 02:14:21Z

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I don't check my email too often when I'm not online at ancestry.

I don't know a lot about the Scroggins family, but my husband's cousin Brenda Loupe has a web page on Ancestry and is a granddaughter of Clara Beever, the sister of my husband's father, Wm. Beever.

My memory is rather fuzzy on that part of my hubby's family--Clara lived in Oklahoma. For some reason, I have it in my head that Jack Scroggins and a brother were children of Clara's (out-of-wedlock) and when she married (forget her husband's name, but NOT Scroggins), the two Scroggins boys were raised by her parents (Lewis BEEVER & Lillie (Imel). The boys were in one of the Kansas censuses prior to 1930 living with their BEEVER grandparents. Hope that helps.

I think Brenda knows how to contact Jack Scroggins (if still living) but I seem to recall he wasn't too up on talking about all of this......

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

janet0525 — 2010-03-31 14:11:38Z

Do you have anymore information on the scroggins referred to in this genealogy....the one married to Clara Beever.

Thanks

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

janet0525 — 2010-02-23 00:10:22Z

I am researching the Scroggins family line for my friend, who was married to a Scroggins. His wife's name was Clara Beever Scroggins Anson.

I see in your post that you alluded to the information that he and Clara were never married. This information was given to someone by a Scroggins descendant.

Could you enlighten me more on this. My friend was married to one of the scroggins boys and Imel-Beever are her relations also by marriage. Thank you. Janet

Looking for relatives (Imel)

jblcompher — 2010-01-27 03:49:10Z

My name is Johanna Wayne Imel, My father is Robert M. Imel and was born in Indiana. I have not seen or heard from any of my relatives and was wondering if anyone remembers us? I now live in Oregon. I am looking for cousin, aunts and uncles. can anyone help me? I am now 50 years old and havent seen anyone since I was probably 10 years old.
Thank you.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2009-08-30 00:32:08Z

As a result of Xandervan's census find. I confirmed) that Lewis Edwin BEEVER's grandfather, John BEAVER was b. in W CANADA, then moved to Lyme, Jefferson Co., NY (1850-1860 Census); then Mason Co., IL (1870-1880 census). Son William BEAVER is found in those 1850-1870 censuses, but has moved to Walnut, Jewell Co, Kansas for 1880 Census - age 27, living with wife Emma age 19(STILTON) and sister Helen BEAVER (age 29). His wife Emma (STILTON) Beever died before 1900 and after the birth of Lewis Edwin BEEVER in KS. William BEAVER was found in the 1900 Census for the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma Territory, living with a new wife Mary, his son Lewis Edwin (now 18) and stepson Omer NIGHTINGALE and stepdaughter Clola HUGGINS (b. to Mary in 2 diff. states by 2 diff. men/husbands.

Have not yet been able to locate a 1910, 1920 or 1930 census for them, but am searching.

I am now going to re-examine the aforementioned English prison record -- assuming it is either John BEAVER's (b. W CAN) father or grandfather.

Have to see if timelines match. Also want to try and find an 1841 Canadian Census record with John BEAVER's parents.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2009-08-30 00:20:17Z

In a file or box I have a photo of Andrew Jackson IMEL and Catherine Lucy HASKELL and my husband's grandmother Lillian IMEL is included in the photo with all her siblings. (The photo is torn across her hairline on the corner...have seen other copies where she has been edited out...same photo).

Note: according to a Scroggins desc., Clara Viola BEEVER-Anson never married the Scroggins father. The 2 Scroggins were in census records with their BEEVER-IMEL grandparents. Family never discussed the situation. Also, Ruth BEEVER-Richie was not married to MILLER, a full-blood Cherokee; her half-blood MILLER son was the result of an assault; I believe he was adopted by her husband, Byron RICHIE.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2009-08-28 06:24:03Z

Xanderven
The 1860 federal census for Lyme, New York lists John Beaver, age 47, b. Canada; Mary, age 36, b. NY; children Ellen-13, William-10, Clarissa-7, Mary-5, and Lewis-2, all b. NY.

Your post is of interest to me, even tho it says John BEAVER (spelled with A) was b. Canada because I recently found a prison record in England showing a John BEEVER had been convicted 1st of larceny, then of breaking & entering (burglary) for which he was sentenced to 7 yrs. in prison; a notation was made "Transp" -- by which I inferred that he was transported to the colonies--or possibly Canada?

Since John, William, Lewis and "Clara" all appear in later generations in my husband's line, I am interested to see if any of this is part of the puzzle.

In my own line, my grandmother had a family history which omitted 2 generations of John and William's and caused me some confusion until I realized if they were pasted in, the lineage timelines worked perfectly.

Also, recently on my brickwall with my mom's paternal line, I found an 1875 Cass Co MO census which had similar names of siblings to those my great-grandfather chose to give his children, thus pointing to the high probability (incl. time/locale) that this was my next generation beyond my Civil War gr-grandfather.

In the case of this census, I'll have to do some checking. I have to see it on paper and check dates/locations, etc.

Will get back to you -- one way or t'other!!! This may be an important clue to get us across the pond. The John Beever who was transported after sentencing could have been sent to Canada. The fact that this 1860 Census for a John BEAVER shows he was 47 yrs. old means he was born about 1813 in Canada. Will have to see if this jives with the age/probably transport date for the John I found in England.
My William was born in NY -- and the 1860 NY Census record you found lists a son William b. NY. SO--this is a possibility.......

jshepherd_beever@yahoo.com
jbeever121 on Ancestry.com

Where do you live?

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

JBeever121 — 2009-08-28 06:11:55Z

My husband's grandparents were Lewis Edwin BEEVER and Lillie IMEL
His parents were William Charles Edward BEEVER and Dorothy Marie DONDANVILLE

How are you descended from this family?? Would love to hear from anyone desc. from Lewis Edwin BEEVER-Lillie IMEL

IMEL Edna Pearl _1917-1992.JPG

t42Southland — 2009-08-02 00:02:47Z

IMEL_Edna_Pearl_1917-1992.JPG

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Re: Imel's from Germany.

amyfischer2 — 2009-06-06 07:37:48Z

Hi Ronald. I am also an Imel, descended from Peter Imel. My grandmother was Margaret Imel (Clayton) from Shelbyville, Indiana. I have not been able to find any reliable sources that the family story of the 5 brothers coming from Germany and defecting to the American forces. It's been the "family story" for so long that it's hard to say where it's true or where it's legend. I cannot find any records prior to the marriage of Peter in Maryland. The brothers are not listed in the books listing the Hessian soldiers coming to America for the war. I'd love to see reliable records of any of the brothers. Although, I think there's some truth to the stories, for many reasons, there's some conflict also, since there is no record of the meticulously kept records the Hessians kept of who came and went during the war. I have my own personal theories, but no facts to back it up, so if anybody has any further reliable sources, I'd absolutely love to see it!

Re: Imel's from Germany.

fantazyland — 2009-06-03 19:09:20Z

do you have anything further back than Peter Imel? I'm from the Henry Imel (Peter's Brother line.)

thanks
-ronald imel
fantazyland@yahoo.com

Henry Imel Hesse-Cassel, Germany to Arthur Imell Texas...

A_Imell — 2009-03-05 00:46:35Z

...ok so I finally figured it out...I was beginning to think this was going to be a big headache, seeing as though there are so many Imels...but alas, only six generations before reaching the German Lineage of Imel in Hesse Cassel, Germany...so far I haven't found anything of importance that these names may have contributed to in history...I plan on changing that in my own life, but if anyone else knows of anything, please let my sister and I know...here's what I've discovered so far...

Laura A Imell b 1976
Arthur W. Imell b 1982
children of Arthur F. Imell and Deborah L. Bettison

Arthur Felix Imell b 1953; child of Arthur Stewart Imell Jr. and Francis Cormie

Arthur Stewart Imell; child of Lt. Col. Arthur Stewart Imell Sr.(name changed from Imel to Imell after enlisting in the Army) and Carrie Mae Norman

Arthur Stewart Imel Sr.; child of Nathaniel Imel and Emma Jane Wilkins

Nathaniel Imel; child of Nathaniel Imel Sr. and Catherine Hazleton

Nathaniel Imel Sr.; child of John Imel and Sarah Skinner

John Imel; child of Henry Imel and Margaret Disher...

...Henry Imel Sr. Hesse-Cassel, Germany b 1756...

AJ
www.myspace.com/arkanum

Re: To Scott- Imel Line

thearkanumproject — 2009-03-04 23:01:17Z

would someone be able to help me?...I'm Arthur W Imell...my father is Arthur Felix Imell, my Grandfather is Arthur S. Imell Jr., and my Great Grandfather is Arthur S. Imel Sr.,...and no that isn't a type 'o'...my Great Grandfather served as Lt. Col in WWII...he had mentioned that his original last name spelling was Imel...but when he signed up in the Army, his last name was altered....he said he was very angry at this, but was never able to correct it...so since that day it's only been us four Arthurs and my older sister Laura, with the altered spelling, that we know of at least...

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2008-09-17 19:59:17Z

What is your line (each generation) from you to Peter Imel?

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

larryimel53 — 2008-09-17 19:26:19Z

My brother started our family history, I'm trying to finish it, Peter Imel has appeared on his search. 3/30/1764-1/3/1849. One child wife Susan Kirkwood. Anything you can help me with I would appreciate any info.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

Wildthunder2003 — 2008-08-26 19:01:11Z

thanks

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

margaret_Alfonso — 2008-08-25 15:45:36Z

i have some pictures that are still packed away. they are of the 5moody girls and the 5 beaver girls and another picture that has andrew jackson imel and katherine lucy haskell and their daughters. none of the sons are in these pictures. i will find some of this info and post it for you

Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

Wildthunder2003 — 2008-08-24 05:03:36Z

Ok, so now it's my turn to get in on this search.

My GGrandfather was Lewis Edwin Beever, his wife was Lillie Imel. Lillie's father was Jack Imel and his wife was Catherine Lancaster , both from Indiana.

Any one able to assist me in trying to find the rest of the family?

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

ludlowbaylive — 2008-08-24 05:03:16Z

Please feel free to contact me for more details, but here is a brief summary of the information I have available:

Lewis Edwin Beever, s/o William Alonzo Beever & Emma Stilton

Lillie Imel, d/o Andrew Jackson Imel & Catherine Lucy Haskell
Andrew Jackson Imel, s/o Robert N. Imel & Mary Elizabeth Leatherbury
Catherine Lucy Haskell, d/o Hannewell Haskell & Sarah Lancaster

Robert N. Imel, s/o Thomas Imel & Huldah Little
Mary Elizabeth Leatherbury, d/o Thomas Leatherbury & Mary Forwood

Thomas Imel, s/o Peter Imel & Susannah Kirkwood

Mary Forwood, d/o Jacob Forwood & Martha Warner

Lewis Edwin Beever & Lillie Imel had eight children:
Abraham Lincoln; Clara Viola md. Scroggins, Anson; Helen Lucy, md. Garrett; William Charles Edward; Ruth Irene, md. Miller, Richie; Mabel Nina, md. Morrow, Tucker; Jewel Marie, md. Broshak; and Gertrude Lillian, md. Gleason.

Which of the eight is your grandparent?

Regards,

Chris - xandervan@cablespeed.com

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

Wildthunder2003 — 2008-08-24 05:03:00Z

I am also looking into the Beever lineage, but so far all the information that I have seen on here is also the same information I already have.

My Grandmother, Gertrude, started the search in the late 1970's and passed away before she got very far with it.

So I am trying to go farther back then Jack or Lewis.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

ludlowbaylive — 2008-08-24 05:02:46Z

The 1860 federal census for Lyme, New York lists John Beaver, age 47, b. Canada; Mary, age 36, b. NY; children Ellen-13, William-10, Clarissa-7, Mary-5, and Lewis-2, all b. NY.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

ludlowbaylive — 2008-08-24 05:02:33Z

I submitted the last message before I was done typing.

In 1850, John Beaver is in Lyme, Jefferson county, New York, age 36, b. Canada; Mary, age 23, b. NY; Alzaida-8, David-7, Helen-3, William-7/12.

By 1870, the John Beaver family is living in Mason county, Illinois:

John, age 57, Mary, age 46, Helen-22, William-19, Mary-15, Alice-9, Jane-4. Lewis, who would be about age 12, is not listed and probably died between 1860-1870.

They are still in Mason county in 1880: John, age 67, b. Canada, parents b. England; Mary, age 56, father b. Mass., mother b. NY.

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

margaret_Alfonso — 2008-08-24 05:02:21Z

the name is andrew jackson Imel and lill beaver was the sister to my ggrandmother Margaret Elizabeth Imel. I have other info about them i will see what i can find.i have just moved and trying to get back in to this

Re: Lillie Imel & Lewis Edwin Beever

Wildthunder2003 — 2008-08-24 05:02:09Z

I have found out a lot of information since I posted the last time. http://jkrull.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=jkrull&... Here is the link I have that shows how far I have gotten. Any extra info would be great.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

Joyce_2008 — 2008-06-24 06:49:13Z

THE KELLER BOOK IS ONLINE AND FREE
http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~imel/quicklinks.html
I to am related to Peter Imel the hessian soldier from germany..My mother's father was John Thomas Imel married to Sylvia Hester Jewell

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

Immel_Imel_Book — 2007-11-28 07:53:39Z

I am the owner of the online version of "Immel and Imel Families in America".

The book is long out of print, but the online version contains scanned images of every page from the book, plus some additional features.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~imel/howdoi.html

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

russEmal — 2007-11-28 03:44:48Z

My family is on the side of the family who spells our name Emal. Find my reference on page 4-270. At one time I saw the Imel book. It looks much like the pages listed on this site. Is this a copy of the book? Indeed I’d love to again find a copy of it. If you have information that can lead me to a copy I'd be grateful. Reach me via eMail (for a year everyone called me email...doesn’t our family get royalties?). Please use russ@saber.net for contact

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

dmck43 — 2007-10-31 05:44:38Z

My family originates on the Emal side and I found the Imel Book to be a rich source of info, perhaps it will be for you too if you've not seen it. I see on page 23 a Gilbert Augustus Immelt b. 8/9/16 in Massieville, OH to Joel Immelt (one of Frederick C.'s children) and Odessa Marie McPherson. Joel was born 10/29/1882 and died 1/2/1947 in Columbus, OH. It says, "Joel and Marie are buried in the Walnut Grove Cemetary, Worthington, OH." Here is the link that gives more info on Joel. I hope it works for you.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~imel/imagepages/1-023.html

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

SWEETPEA97 — 2007-10-28 17:43:12Z

Do you know the father of Gelbert Immel and any birth years? It has been very hard researching this line as alot of the children changed the spelling of the name for some reason in the mid 1800's. I have found Immelt, Immel, Emel and Imel all to be related. If you can give me some additional information I would be happy to share family info.

Re: Frederick Christian Immel

djisr1 — 2007-10-27 05:00:12Z

Hi sweetpea, I do believe i am a decendant of Frederick Christian Immel. Our Last name has been change to Immelt for reason unknown to me but we reside in columbus ohio. I'm sorry i cant be more help to you, But i can tell you my grandfathers name was Gelbert Immelt and my fathers name was David Immelt. Gelbert had two boys and three girls, and 14 grandchildren (boys and girls) and as of now has countless great grand children and 1 great great grand child.. I myself have been interesting in learning my family history. So if there is any thing you would like to share with me i would be more then happy to share it with the rest of the family.. (would really like to have a picture of the family crest and or code of arms)..

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

amyfischer2 — 2007-01-30 06:29:21Z

Thank! Yeah, I knew I'd heard of some kind of a switch. I hope somebody has found some documentation and proof of any of the family legend that has passed down through the ages as fact. Seems like everbody believes the story even though there's never been any proof of it. Maybe someday we'll find something...It's a fun hunt in any case.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2007-01-30 04:14:34Z

"It's now been replaced, I've heard, and doesn't say "revolutionary war soldier" any longer. "

Well, you heard wrong, and you have your facts reversed..

The original stone said

Peter Imel
died Jan. 3, 1849
aged 84 yrs., 9 mos., 5 das.

It is the new one that says

Peter Imel
1754 - 1849
A Soldier in the Revolutionary War
(photo attached)

The birth year was transcribed incorrectly on the new stone, and the Rev. War bit was added at the suggestion of someone (family?), nearly 100 years after Peter's death. Is that valid proof? No. Perhaps that is why no one can find any evidence of his war service.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

amyfischer2 — 2007-01-30 01:08:21Z

I have a picture of it somewhere...I hope I can find it. It's now been replaced, I've heard, and doesn't say "revolutionary war soldier" any longer. I'll look for it and let you know if I find it.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2007-01-29 21:17:09Z

Amy, you saw Peter Imel's original gravestone where, and when?

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

amyfischer2 — 2007-01-29 19:10:44Z

I agree totally with your position. Unfortunately, I am now also looking for proof and documentation of the "family legend" of the five Immel brothers. Legend says they all came over with the Hessian army to fight in the RW. There is no documentation of this that I can find. Of the official German book on the people who came to fight, there is a Heinrich, which very well could be our Henry, but no other brothers and no other proof that Henrich is our Henry. The earliest true records I have of my ancestor, Peter Imel, is his marriage in Frederick, MD. On research, I have discovered that Frederick, MD, had a large population of German people and a prisoner camp was placed there for many of the captured Hessian soldiers. The population was very sympathetic to the Hessian men and pretty much let them incorporate into the population and many of them married. I think it's mighty likely that this might have been what happened to our family rather than the typical "legend" they defected and joined the Americans. I have seen my Peter Imel's original gravestone which said "Revolutionary War Soldier" and, of course, that lends more to the 'family legend" than what I suspect, so I don't know. But I would LOVE to find proof of the brothers' births in Kassel Hesse Germany, of their membership in the Hessian army that came to fight in the RW, of their defection and eventual involvement in the virginia's riflemen, etc. There is nothing that I've been able to find of any of these proofs. So if anybody has any proven documents of the "family legend" please let me know. I've been looking for it for a long time.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2007-01-29 17:41:31Z

oh! I know what you mean. "WFT Est." has nothing to do with "Estates". It stands for World Family Tree Estimate, which means that the software that created that family tree estimated the dates you are seeing.

I'll assume that some or most of the 43 pages on that site may be accurate but I'm really not going to waste my time there, because the owner doesn't document anything and has admitted that she is just a "name collector". If anything on that site were in question, the owner probably couldn't tell me where they got the information anyway. That happens soooo often with people who just "collect" anything and everything they see, and don't verify any of it.

But as I said earlier, just because you see a name listed somewhere (or a birthdate, or marriage date, or anything else) DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT. In most cases, it probably is correct. But in the case of Solomon Imel, he just popped up out of nowhere, and NOBODY can tell me where they found the original documentation. Not other websites that somebody has copied over & over & over, but original SOURCE DOCUMENTATION, like a Will, Probate records, Land Records, etc. That is the type of thing that would factually connect Solomon to our Imels, and PROVE the connection. A website of undocumented names does not do the trick.

So ... we're right back where we've been forever. No documentation that Solomon existed. That means that nobody has any business putting Solomon's name in their tree or any tree. At least that is my position on the matter :-)

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

ludlowbaylive — 2007-01-29 17:26:43Z

That's not what I'm asking. You wrote earlier "And if you go down through the generations there are a number of families who had Estates which were listed for Solomon Imel. Are these then true or false?"

An Estate usually means extensive land holdings plus personal property, whether it be 5 acres or 5000 acres, and things like a barn, house, livestock, furniture, etc.

So when you say "a number of families who had Estates" is that what you mean?

I've already cautioned that just because that website you're going to lists Solomon Imel at the top, IT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. Somebody has dreamed up Solomon Imel and now you're taking it as the gospel truth. THERE IS NO PROOF that Solomon Imel ever existed.

Unless you can PROVE otherwise, with something better than a website like you listed that has ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATON or SOURCES.

Re: Peter Imel Descendent

MarmarIZ57 — 2007-01-29 16:58:02Z

If you go to this web site it gives 43 pages from Solomon's desendants. On the first page where it lists Solomon Imel it says that the WFT Est. was born from 1708-1739 in Hesse-Cassel, Germany and the death of the WFT Est. was 1767 to 1825 in Hesse-Cassel, Germany.

Then under Solomon comes Henry Imel who was born in 1756, married to Margaret Disher. Then under her name is an Issac Imel who was born 1780. Under his name is Anna born 1782, there is no last name for her. And then under her name is James Imel born 1803. Under his name is Elizabeth born 1808 which must be his wife.

Then comes their children - - John Imel b: 1828 then the death of the WFT Est. is 1829-1918. The other children are Samuel, Thomas, Sarah, Robert, Henry, Jackson. All these have the years starting and death of this WFT Est. And this estates goes clear down through many generations. This web site is at:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/e/l/Debbie-L-We...

If this url doesn't get you there you might try just searching for familytreemaker.genealogy.com

Then search for Solomon Imel- - - his descendants.

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