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Re: looking for infor on FRED LAVIGNE

HerbNichols1 — 2012-04-28 04:02:17Z

It's likely you have this info; just in case ...

1860 United States Federal Census Rutland, Jefferson, New York
Joseph Lavey abt 1826 Canada Male
Adelia L Lavey abt 1831 Canada Female
Louis Lavey abt 1851 Canada Male
Harriet Lavey abt 1853 Canada Female
Ermine Lavey abt 1854 Canada Female
John B Lavey abt 1858 New York Male
So this Lavigne family apparently immigrated 1854-1858

1870 United States Federal Census Rutland, Jefferson, New York
Joseph Lavine abt 1826 Canada E Male
Adelaide Lavine abt 1832 Canada E Female
Matilda Lavine abt 1862 New York Female
Frederic Lavine abt 1864 New York Male

1870 United States Federal Census Rutland, Jefferson, New York
Francis Henry 27
Margaret Henry 23
Catharine Williams 4
Harriet Lavine abt 1851 Canada E Female
Amelia Lavine abt 1853 Canada E Female
Richard Moore 17
Calvin Claminto 24

1880 United States Federal Census Rutland, Jefferson, New York
Joseph La Vine Adell abt 1828 Canada Self (Head)
Adell La Vine Joseph abt 1834 Canada Wife
Hattie La Vine Joseph,Adell abt 1853 Canada Daughter
Matilda La Vine Joseph,Adell abt 1861 New York Daughter
Joseph La Vine Joseph,Adell abt 1871 New York Son
Charles La Vine Joseph,Adell abt 1873 New York Son

1900 United States Federal Census Rutland, Jefferson, New York
John Phillips 52
Almelia Phillips 43
Gertrude Phillips 18
Gilbert Phillips 12
Fred Devigne[Fred Lavigne] Nov 1862 New York Brother-in-law
Frank Devigne[Frank Lavigne] Dec 1890 New York Nephew
Ernest Devigne[Ernest Lavigne] Feb 1892 New York Nephew
Charles Devigne[Charles Lavigne] Jul 1873 New York Brother-in-law
Joseph Devigne[Joseph Lavigne] Nov 1827 Canada Fr Father

Re: Lavigne/Lavene in Mobile, Alabama

TishaGuy — 2012-04-25 19:20:51Z

Hi! I posted this and then forgot about it! LOL We are looking for the same people. Leila's dad is Francisco Lavene, and Dominick/Dominique Lavene/Lavigne is her grandfather...Francisco's brother Charles is my great-great grandfather, so we're cousins...Another cousin is Dan Corry, who also has a tree on here, and he and I have corresponded and gotten together several times..

Re: Jean-Baptiste Fidy Lavigne

gfcurry — 2012-03-02 17:14:05Z

Jean-Baptiste married my great great grandmother's sister (Louis Corriveau and Nathalie Beaudet). Jean Baptiste and Dina moved from Stukely Quebec to Cohoes NY in about 1873 to help Nathalie out after her husband Louis was killed. In my search to find out information about Louis and Nathalie I looked at the Lavigne family. I am not a paid member of Ancestry so I will give you my personal information so we can exchange information and if you would be so kind to send me yours. It will be interesting to see where you fit into my outline and if I was correct on some of the familes .

Thanks

Gary F Curry
65 Pollock Ave
Pittsfield MA 01201
413-443-6346
gfcurry@verizon.net

Re: Jean-Baptiste Fidy Lavigne

MaryLavigne39 — 2012-03-02 16:29:57Z

Hi Garry,
Yes. It seems to be a match. He is my husband's great-grandfather.
I would love to share any information that we both have.

Mary

Re: Jean-Baptiste Fidy Lavigne

gfcurry — 2012-03-01 20:53:20Z

If this is the Jean Baptiste that married Dina Beaudette I have a lot of information on the family
Gary Curry

LaVigne, The Vines

cacaoman — 2012-02-09 04:55:59Z

From what I have been able to research, the name LaVigne translates from French into "the vines." The family, I was told by a grower in France, originated in the Burgundy (Bourgogne) region of France. The name used to be uncommon, but today there are many LaVignes running around France, some still growing grapes and making wine (Honor LaVigne, Burgundy).

My branch left during the time of the Huguenots and fled to Sweden where the name was changed to Laf vin. It was changed back to LaVigne when they came to Connecticut in the late 1800s.

I wish I had as much luck finding my CURRENT LaVigne relatives!

Re: Louise Lavigne b. WI d. VT

beccasyd1 — 2012-01-25 04:13:04Z

My Great Grand Father was Frank Lavigne b.1878 he had two brothers George b.1874 and Fred b.1876. I believe they were all born in Mosinee, WI.

Jean-Baptiste Fidy Lavigne

MaryLavigne39 — 2012-01-21 21:40:30Z

Seeking information on Jean-Baptiste Fidy Lavigne. His parents could be Francois Fidy Lavigne and Louise Colette.
Need information on place of birth and family members.

harry j LaVigne and valeria o. LaVigne descendants

mikecruisen591 — 2012-01-20 20:11:59Z

their children were
William [my father ]
harry b 1918
edward b 1920
Lillian b 1921
Charles b 1925
Marie b. 1926
Luciele b. 1927

Adele b.1928
Marion b.1929
any information would be appreciated . I am trying to locate my relatives My e'mail is mikecruisen59@frontier.com

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

Aroostookgen_Aroostookgen — 2011-12-08 20:57:16Z

Katina, would you contact me please at aroostookgen@hotmail.com

Thank you

Re (The sponsors were Joseph Boudreau and Marie Ache (Hache ...

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-08 15:49:38Z

According to Wikipedia*, "sponsors" is one of the translations of le parrain (masculine) & la marraine (feminine); another is godparent
In the context of a Catholic baptism it is my understanding that a more precise translation
would be "godfather" and "godmother"

c.f.
http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/parrain.htm
un parrain
By Laura K. Lawless, About.com Guide
.Filed In:French Vocabulary> Mot du jour
Definition: godfather; sponsor; christener

Veux-tu être le parrain de Jeanne ? - Do you want to be Jeanne's godfather?

Vous avez besoin d'un parrain pour pouvoir joindre cette organisation - You need a sponsor in order to join this organization.

Related: le parrainage - sponsorship, christening, promoting; parrainer - to sponsor, to christen, to promote; une marraine - godmother

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

Aroostookgen_Aroostookgen — 2011-12-08 15:24:56Z

You are most welcome Katina. I understand.

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

katinainct — 2011-12-08 15:12:33Z

Thank you Aroostookgen!

I appreciate your post the most - you provided valuable information without opinionated rhetoric.

Thanks Again,
- Katina

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-08 14:53:32Z

Aroostookgen_Aroostookgen writes

Thank you "Aroo"
If I interpret your statement (below*) correctly,
*
"Now that you have the complete text of that baptism with stated relationships you'll be able to find a good gedcom online. You can trace Henriette's mom..."

I am particularly interested in the statement "You can trace Henriette's mom"

Is it correct to infer from this statement that this Henriette (of the baptism) could not
have been the child of Jean Lavigne & Natouk?

If so, can you tell us specifically what is the nature of Catholic baptism records (including this one)
which implies that this Henriette could not be the daughter of an Indian woman?

thank you
Herb Nichols

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

Aroostookgen_Aroostookgen — 2011-12-08 09:16:37Z

Hi Katina,

This is all of the text from Henriette Lavigne's baptism record.
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Le cing may mil sept cent quatre vingt dix neuf par nous petre missionaire soussigne acte baptisee sous condition henriette nee le meme jour du legitime mariage de jean lavigne labourier et de Modeste ache ditte galland de cette paroisse : le parrain acte joseph boudreau la marraine marie ache veuve de william morisson tante de l'enfant que
ainsi que le pere present en delcar ne savoir signer ce enquis salon l'ordre

(The sponsors were Joseph Boudreau and Marie Ache (Hache), widow of William Morisson and the infants aunt.)

***Now that you have the complete text of that baptism with stated relationships you'll be able to find a good gedcom online. You can trace Henriette's mom..her dad is another story. Unfortunately her parents aren't on her marriage record. I don't recall anything in the baptisms of her children that stood out. I think I did come across some marriage dispensations in later generations though. I don't recall who they were :( Dispensations become important to prove relationships sometimes.
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On to Electrius Oakes...According to the mortality schedule of the 1871 Canadian census of St. Francis, N.B. Electrous Ockes (sic) passed away in September at the age of 80(that would be of 1870) of "gravil". That would be kidney stones. St-Francois-Xavier Parish has a baptism record dated September 8th 1870 for Alexis Hooks (sic) (just one of the many variations of the name) age 84. I'm thinking the priest neglected to write the death act. Every once in a while one finds a baptism and death one under the other for the same person.
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On to Alexandre Aleman...I found at least 2 errors in his work for the very early generations. I don't recall much but one of the errors was in a family unrelated to me and the other error I recall was my family. I knew the latter to be an error because I have the records. There were probably more. The records are available so I think he didn't do the leg-work or do it carefully. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in his work. As for Natouk..I got the work from Mr. Bolier's widow many years ago. What Alexandre wrote was not what I received from Mr. Boilier's widow.

Hope this helps.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

C B Knox — 2011-12-03 21:23:19Z

RE: ". . . Good hunches, probablies, etc are NOT good genealogy."

Neither are popular but groundless family "traditions" about someone's ancestry; i.e., the old folks all used to say she was part Indian. Baloney!

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-03 12:34:46Z

"The baptism in no way shape or form is proof of her Mother's bloodline"
That's correct. Only DNA can speak to the blood-line.

A baby was born and baptized the same day of the legimate marriage of Jean & Modeste Lavigne in Bathurst
Twenty odd years later she married Electrious. There isn't a reasonable alternative.

"The DNA record is one Possible piece of information that was floating about online which you
originally dismissed as GARBAGE"

I dismissed as garbage Bolyer's assertion that a woman born in Quebec (an Indian) was Electrious' wife.

Did Henriette's matrilineal line continue to Henry Flynn? I have no idea. That's genealogy not genetics

Some matrilineal genetic line went to Henry Flynn. That line has no Indian in it.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-03 11:38:13Z

The facts are:
1) A baptism record for Henriette.
2) The results of an MtDNA test for Henry Flynn, Jr. (unless it's fabricated, I suppose)

The baptism record is acceptable "proof" (pretty much as near as genealogy
can get it) that Henriette's mother was not an Indian. It is the best evidence available.
This isn't my opinion, this is the way genealogy works. Best evidence.

The MtDNA results are unequivocal (unless the laboratory made a mistake or Henry
gave the lab a mouth swab from somebody else).
Henry's GENETIC matrilineal ancestry is European.
Nobody in Henry's genetic matrilineal ancestry has had Indian DNA. This is the way
genetics works

As I said earlier: "if the female ancestry of Henry,Jr is correct, then the absence of
Indian DNA in his MTDNA test results (Haplogroup H - European) PROVES unequivocally
that Henriette Lavigne (AND all the other mothers) did NOT have a mother with ANY
Indian DNA"

To restate:
If Henry Flynn's matrilineal lineage properly traces to Henriette, then it is scientifically
impossible that Henriette was an Indian or that her matrilineal ancestry is Indian.
No Indian woman contributed DNA to Henry Ryan's genetic line. Either before Henriette or after.

If there is a flaw, it is the _genealogy_ of Henry Flynn's ancestry.
The _genetic_ ancestry is clear. No Indians
Maybe Henry's genealogy is wrong. If Henry's genealogy is wrong, if he doesn't
ACTUALLY trace back to Henriette then his DNA says nothing about Henriette.

1) "Good" genealogy (which in this case rests upon the Catholic Church) says that Henriette did not have an
Indian mother
2) MtDNA says that Henry has no Indian genetic ancestry.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

katinainct — 2011-12-03 11:34:34Z

The baptism in no way shape or form is proof of her Mother's bloodline. The DNA record is one Possible piece of information that was floating about online which you originally dismissed as GARBAGE. Again, not enough info to conclude either way regardless how many replies you post and delete. There's simply not enough evidence to make your opinions or mine fact. Good hunches, probablies, etc are NOT good genealogy.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-03 05:03:52Z

I deleted and reposted my msg to correct a spelling mistake, before realizing that you
had responded to the message I deleted. Sorry for the clumsiness.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-03 04:44:31Z

Seems to me that the discussion was about whether Henriette Lavigne was Indian.
That has now been disproved two ways.
1) Birth records
2) DNA

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-03 04:42:27Z

Seems to me that the discussion was about whether Henriette Levigne was Indian.
That has now been disproved two ways.
1) Birth records
2) DNA

Re: More OAKES information to consider

katinainct — 2011-12-03 04:40:38Z

Birth records or baptism?
I still see no proof of her Mother's bloodline. The DNA is not confirmed either. So far lots of puzzle pieces. No proof, just a lot of guessing and opinion and I prefer to wait for a conclusion based upon facts. You have a very strong opinion and speculation but that's not enough to claim proof.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

katinainct — 2011-12-03 01:32:32Z

You're complaint is the information is "old"?
Now that's the funniest thing I've read yet.

Thank you for the chuckle.

Back to research.
If you have any more factual documentation to share vs your opinion on findings I'll appreciate the input.

Re: More OAKES information to consider

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-02 23:40:22Z

Why is the info you re-posted, which is almost 11 years old,
worth considering? Said differently,
why is it relevant to the discussion we've been having?

Herb Nichols

Re: Lavigne 1800's

BKathleenMacKenzie — 2011-12-02 21:50:39Z

No, sorry, I don.t believe there is a connectiom here. My grandfather came from Terrabonne and Jolliette Quebec. His parents died when he was about 7 and his uncle took him in and shortly after my grandfather ran away and worked in farms getting away from his area until he moved to Brockville Ontario.

Urbain Tessier dit Lavigne

roygoodwin_1 — 2011-12-02 05:04:28Z

Hello Jean Laine,
I read your posts on Urbain and would like to know if you could possibly help me with my ancestry search. I am doing my Mom's side (Marcil) of the family now and came across Urbain but can't find enough information on his parents dates and places of their birth, marriage, death, etc. and the same for his grandparents and as far back as you can go with any information and all pertinent information.
Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter,
Roy Goodwin

More OAKES information to consider

katinainct — 2011-12-01 23:02:03Z

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Subject: Oakes Generations
Author: sbarylo
Date: Sunday, February 18, 2001
Classification: Query
Surnames: Oakes, Collins, Girard, Lavigne, Hache, Caron, Gendreau, Landry, Bois, Thibodeau, Sirois, Daigle, Pelletier

This is the info on the Oakes - Collins lines that I have, so far. My husband's cousin (all descended through Electrius Oakes' daughter, Barbe) and the Collins line intermarried in our generation here in Alberta: Paulette Girard m. Terry Collins in 1967. It's a small world!

FIRST GENERATION

1. Electrius "Lectus" Oakes was born between 1790 and 1792 in Exeter, Maine. He served in the military in 1812. He was a millwright between 1826 and 1832. He died on September 9, 1870 in St-Francois de Madawaska, New Brunswick. He was a farmer and trapper. He resided Oakes Farm, on the west side of Glazier Lake in Maine.

He was married to Marie Henriette Lavigne (daughter of Jean Baptiste Lavigne and Marie Modeste Hache) on August 17, 1818 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick. Marie Henriette Lavigne was born on April 24, 1799 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick. She was baptized on May 5, 1799. She died on September 25, 1888 in Victoria, British Columbia. She was buried on September 27, 1888 in Victoria, British Columbia. Electrius "Lectus" Oakes and Marie Henriette Lavigne had the following children:

2 i. Oliver Oakes was born on October 2, 1819 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick. He died.

+3 ii. Electrius Oakes (born on December 3, 1821).

+4 iii. Marguerite (Margaret) "Peggy" Oakes (born on October 3, 1823).

5 iv. Jean "John" Oakes was born on July 3, 1825 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick. He died.

+6 v. William "Bill" Oakes (born about 1826).

+7 vi. Joseph Oakes (born about 1832).

+8 vii. Liza "Lizzie" "Louisa" "Louise" "Eliza" Oakes (born about 1836).

+9 viii. Sarah "Sally" Oakes (born about 1838).

+10 ix. Elizabeth "Betsy" Oakes (born about 1841).

+11 x. Abigail "Barbe" "Abbie" Oakes (born about 1843).

+12 xi. Olive Oakes.

+13 xii. Ellen "Helen" "Nellie" Oakes.

+14 xiii. Henriette "Harriet" Oakes.

SECOND GENERATION

3. Electrius Oakes was born on December 3, 1821 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick.

He was married to Angeline Caron.

4. Marguerite (Margaret) "Peggy" Oakes was born on October 3, 1823 in Bathurst, Gloucester County, New Brunswick.

She was married to Francois "Frank" Gendreau.

6. William "Bill" Oakes was born about 1826 in Calais, Maine.

He was married to Lucy Landry in 1850.

7. Joseph Oakes was born about 1832.

He was married to Deline/Helene Bois (daughter of Joseph Bois and Angele Madore) on August 20, 1853 in Frenchville, Aroostook, Maine. Joseph Oakes and Deline/Helene Bois had the following children:

15 i. Charles Oakes was born in 1858.

+16 ii. Sarah Oakes (born on December 25, 1864).

17 iii. Joseph Oakes was born in 1864. He was baptized on December 31, 1864 in St-Francois de Madawaska, New Brunswick.

He was married to Ozithe "Zithee" Landry on August 2, 1874 in Frenchville, Aroostook, Maine. Joseph Oakes and Ozithe "Zithee" Landry had the following children:

18 i. Alice Oakes was born on December 2, 1882 in Clair, New Brunswick.

8. Liza "Lizzie" "Louisa" "Louise" "Eliza" Oakes was born about 1836.

She was married to Bruno Landry.

9. Sarah "Sally" Oakes was born about 1838.

She was married to Fabien Thibodeau.

10. Elizabeth "Betsy" Oakes was born about 1841.

She was married to Felix Telin Sirois (son of Marc Antoine Sirois dit DuPlessis and Julienne Daigle) on November 18, 1861 in Frenchville, Aroostook, Maine. Felix Telin Sirois was born in St-Basile, Madawaska, New Brunswick.

11. Abigail "Barbe" "Abbie" Oakes was born about 1843.

She was married to FranÃ§ois "Frank" Sirois (son of Marc Antoine Sirois dit DuPlessis and Julienne Daigle) on February 17, 1862 in Frenchville, Aroostook, Maine. FranÃ§ois "Frank" Sirois was born about 1840. Abigail "Barbe" "Abbie" Oakes and FranÃ§ois "Frank" Sirois had the following children:

+19 i. Francois Sirois.

+20 ii. Alice Sirois (DuPlessis) (born between 1862 and 1864).

+21 iii. Georgianna Sirois.

+22 iv. Catherine Sirois.

+23 v. William Sirois.

12. Olive Oakes.

She was married to Jean Baptiste Landry.

13. Ellen "Helen" "Nellie" Oakes.

She was married to Fulgence John Thibodeau.

14. Henriette "Harriet" Oakes.

She was married to Germain "Jeremiah" Pelletier.

THIRD GENERATION

16. Sarah Oakes was born on December 25, 1864. She moved to about 1910 in Durlingville, Alberta. She died on December 1, 1930.

She was married to Thomas Collins on July 8, 1883. Thomas Collins was born on October 9, 1859. He was a farmer, lumberjack, ferry operator between Clair and Fort Kent, Maine before 1910 in Clair, New Brunswick. He moved to about 1910 in Durlingville, Alberta. Sarah Oakes and Thomas Collins had the following children:

24 i. Daniel Collins was born on March 17, 1884.

25 ii. Nellie Collins was born on December 25, 1885 in Clair, New Brunswick. She died on October 24, 1949.

26 iii. Thomas Collins Jr was born on April 3, 1888 in Clair, New Brunswick. He died on December 8, 1959.

+27 iv. Joseph John James "James" Collins (born on January 4, 1892).

28 v. Georgiann "Mamie" Collins was born on February 14, 1895 in Clair, New Brunswick. She died on March 19, 1991.

29 vi. Annie Collins was born on January 8, 1897 in Clair, New Brunswick. She died on April 1, 1984.

30 vii. Rose-Anna Collins died on August 9, 1983 in Victoria, British Columbia. She was born in Clair, New Brunswick.

31 viii. Irene Collins was born on October 30, 1904 in Clair, New Brunswick.

32 ix. Rene Collins was born on February 28, 1907 in Clair, New Brunswick.

Re: mtDNA Results for Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-01 20:06:25Z

"mtDNA Results for Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr. Maternal Ancestor: Perrine Bourg/Bourque Test result: Haplogroup H - European Henry's mtDNA Results: HVR1 126C HVR2 152C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.C
Henry's Maternal Line
13. Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr.
12. Lucienne Marcoux and Henry Mayo Flynn, Sr.
11. Edna Martin and Joseph W. Marcoux
10. Georgina Sirois and Joseph Martin
9. Abigail dite Barbe Oakes and Fran�ois Sirois
8. Henriette Lavigne and Electus or Electrius Oakes"

I'm going to reverse the sequence because it's more comfortable for me this way

8. Henriette Lavigne and Electus or Electrius Oakes
9. Abigail dite Barbe Oakes and Fran�ois Sirois
10. Georgina Sirois and Joseph Martin
11. Edna Martin and Joseph W. Marcoux
12. Lucienne Marcoux and Henry Mayo Flynn, Sr
13. Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr.

"mtDNA Results for Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr. Maternal Ancestor: Perrine Bourg/Bourque Test result: Haplogroup H - European Henry 's mtDNA Results: HVR1 126C HVR2 152C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315."

If the female ancestry of Henry,Jr is correct, then the absence of Indian DNA in his MTDNA test
results (Haplogroup H - European) PROVES unequivocally that Henriette Lavigne (AND all the other mothers)
did NOT have a mother with ANY Indian DNA
If Henriette had ANY Indian DNA it would have been passed to each of her daughters via the X chromosomes
These daughters would have passed it to their daughters
who would have passed it to their daughters
who would have passed it to their daughters
etc.

Just as a footnote, the Indian DNA would be passed to each of Henriette's sons as well, because they
received Henriette's X chromosomes, but the sons would not pass the Indian DNA to their sons
because males only contribute Y chromosomes when they fertilize a male egg

This is why the test for Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr is valid.
He received Y chromosomes from his father and X chromosomes from his mother

herb nichols (whose paternal grandmother was an Oakes)

Re: OAKES Family Registry RE: Henriette Lavigne

HerbNichols1 — 2011-12-01 04:18:22Z

You quote HENRY LEBBEUS OAK
Page 37
"Electrius St Francis NB farmer died about 1890"
Probably not accurate either.
According to the 1851 census of Victoria County, N.B. St. Francis Parish Electrious was 59
suggesting a birth of 1792.
Hard to imagine him still alive till 1890 -tho not impossible.
On the other hand, can't find him among all the Oakes in the 1881 census of St Francis Parish.
Be useful to check the 1861 & 1871 censuses.
The "word" is that he died 1870 but I can't confirm that.

Re: OAKES Family Registry RE: Henriette Lavigne

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-29 21:39:40Z

No, the church records I have do not include the origin of Henriett's mother.
The church records I have also do not include the origin of Henriette's father.

I have recorded in my data base, the origins of both of her parents. However, I have questions on the
reliability of the source(s) so I will not repeat the origins. (for instance The
Hache-Gallant genealogy goes back to France)

Some 15 (or so) years ago the citation I wrote down concerning the earlier genealogy is as follows ...
"Dictionary of Acadian Genealogy and in a 6 volume set of Acadian History of the Maritimes"

Re: OAKES Family Registry RE: Henriette Lavigne

katinainct — 2011-11-29 20:59:16Z

Thank you - does the record list Henriette's mother's origin?

Re: OAKES Family Registry RE: Henriette Lavigne

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-29 20:41:42Z

"Have you read this book? New England Historic Genealogical Society of Boston. It's free online, google BOOK by HENRY LEBBEUS OAK"

Yes, I have a copy at home.

You quote Oak as saying:
"Electrius St Francis NB farmer died about 1890 Wife Henrietta Lavigne half breed French and Indian "

Yes, he does say that, and I have always considered him a very important source for the
Oak/Oakes/Oaks family
In this case Oak simply was wrong.
LDS has a microfilm containing pictures (not copies, pictures), of the original Bathurst records.
What I posted (in French) was an exact transcript of the picture.
That microfilm also has pictures of the baptismal records for each of Henriette's sibling
1 Jean Lavigne
. +Modeste Hachee m: 22 Jul 1798 Baie des Chaluers (Nipisiguit)
2 Henriette Lavigne b: 05 May 1799 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.,Canada
2 Marie Lavigne b: 26 Apr 1801 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr,N.B.
2 Marguerite Lavigne b: 10 Oct 1802 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Madeline Lavigne b: 07 Oct 1804 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Helene Lavigne b: 20 Apr 1806 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr,N.B.
2 Jean Lavigne b: 22 Sep 1807 (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Joseph Lavigne b: 06 Oct 1809 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Celeste Lavigne b: 15 Apr 1811 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Rose Lavigne b: 14 Jul 1812 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr,N.B.
2 Edward Lavigne b: 23 Oct 1814 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr,N.B.
2 Joseph Barnabe Lavigne b: 11 Jun 1816 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Isabelle Lavigne b: 16 Aug 1818 Bathurst (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.
2 Pierre Lavigne b: 21 Apr 1822 (St Famille de Nipisiguit),Glcstr, N.B.

OAKES Family Registry RE: Henriette Lavigne

katinainct — 2011-11-29 20:04:00Z

Have you read this book? New England Historic Genealogical Society of Boston. It's free online, google BOOK by HENRY LEBBEUS OAK

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Brewer 84 Electrius St Francis NB farmer died about 1890 Wife Henrietta Lavigne half breed French and Indian said to have been an excellent woman 13 children Olive Sarah Electrius William Joseph Ellen Betsy Abigail Liza Louisa Olive Peggy John Harriet Electrius4 Oaks was a veteran of the War of 1812 When the line was run between the US and Canada his farm proved to be on the Canadian side His descendants are very numerous and very imperfectly recorded Most of the children and grandchildren married French Canadians and naturally they have but slight education and with few exceptions are not helpful correspondents Families of 12 to 18 children are not unusual

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

katinainct — 2011-11-29 19:51:03Z

Certainly a lot to sift through, thank you for your input.

There are several conflicting records of a Henriette Lavigne born in 1800. There are also conflicting records of another birth place in Nova Scotia. Quite an interesting task at hand before certainty either way.

Also sorting through this DNA information:

PERRINE BOURG/BOURQUE mtDNA Results for Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr. Maternal Ancestor: Perrine Bourg/Bourque Test result: Haplogroup H - European Henry 's mtDNA Results: HVR1 126C HVR2 152C 263G 309.1C 309.2C 315.C Henry's Maternal Line 13. Henry Mayo Flynn, Jr. 12. Lucienne Marcoux and Henry Mayo Flynn, Sr. 11. Edna Martin and Joseph W. Marcoux 10. Georgina Sirois and Joseph Martin 9. Abigail dite Barbe Oakes and Fran�ois Sirois 8. Henriette Lavigne and Electus or Electrius Oakes 7. Modeste Hach� and Jean Lavigne 6. Marie-Madeleine Doucet and Joseph Hach� 5. Anne Arseneau and Charles dit Charlitte Doucet 4. Marguerite Bernard and Fran�ois Arseneau 3. Madeleine Doucet and m1 Ren� Bernard; m2 Pierre Doiron 2. Henriette Pelletret and Pierre Doucet 1. Perrine Bourg and m1 Simon Pelletret; m2 Ren� Landry l'a�n�

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-29 17:34:27Z

"Que William Oakes, métis, est né de l'union de Electrius, fils de John et Abigaïl Lambert, avec Henriette Lavigne, fille de Albert et Natouk, indienne Mohawk, mariés le 17 août 1818 à Bathust, NB "

In the face of the EVIDENCE that a Henriette Lavigne was born -and baptized- IN THE SAME TOWN, Bathurst,
at just the right time to be the spouse of Electrius, how can one even DREAM TO CONSIDER that the
Henriette Lavigne who was born hundreds of miles away near Quebec (to Albert & Natouk) was the Henriette
who married Electrious?????

Puhlease, that DEFIES credibility

Herb

p.s.
If, in the wild chance that the above isn't sufficient, then if any female descendant of
Electrious and Henriette wants PROOF that Henriette wasn't Indian I suggest she contact Family Tree DNA
in Houston to inquire about an MTDNA test.

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-29 16:34:26Z

The research on the family of Philip Oakes Bolyai, 1450, Cherry Ave, San Jose, ca. 95125

Garbage!

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

katinainct — 2011-11-29 13:44:23Z

I appreciate the info, thank you.

I am also sorting out this:

Alexandre Alemann, expert Métis genealogist, formerly of the prestigious Drouin Institute

Notes: The research on the family of Philip Oakes Bolyai, 1450, Cherry Ave, San Jose, ca. 95125, Henriette Lavigne, métisse, est né de l'union de Albert Lavigne et Natouk. 95125, Henriette Lavigne, Metis, is born of the union of Albert and Natouk Lavigne. Ref: "... there working in a sawmill, met his wife, Henriette Lavigne, a young French and Indian girl of 17 yeard old. Informations obtained from the Jesuit Missionnary Society archives in Ile d'Orlean near Quebec City, PQ said her father, Albert Lavigne, and his Wife (Natouk) and Indian woman of the Mohawk tribe, drown in a boat accident un 1802. The mariage took place in Holy Family Parish Church, ... aug. 17, 1818..." Ref: "... there working in a sawmill, met his wife, Henriette Lavigne, French and a young Indian girl of 17 yeards old. Information obtained from the Jesuit Society Missionnary archives in Ile d'Orleans near Quebec City, PQ said her father, Albert Lavigne, and his Wife (Natouk) and Indian woman of the Mohawk tribe, drown in a boat accident site An 1802. The marriage took place in Holy Family Parish Church, ... aug. 17, 1818 ... " pp. pp. 14 et ss. 14 et seq.

16. Que William Oakes, métis, est né de l'union de Electrius, fils de John et Abigaïl Lambert, avec Henriette Lavigne, fille de Albert et Natouk, indienne Mohawk, mariés le 17 août 1818 à Bathust, NB William Oakes, Métis, born of the union of Electrius, son of John and Abigail Lambert, with Henriette Lavigne, daughter of Albert and Natouk, Mohawk Indian, married on 17 August 1818 in Bathust, NB

15. Que William Oakes, métis, est né de l'union de William Oakes, fils de Electrius et Henriette Lavigne, avec Lucille Landry, fille de Pierre et Geneviève Labbé, mariés le 10 juin 1850 à Upper-Frenchville, Maine. William Oakes, Métis, born of the union of William Oakes, son of Electrius and Henriette Lavigne, with Lucille Landry, daughter of Peter and Genevieve Labbé, married June 10 1850 in Upper Frenchville, Maine.

Notes: that William Oakes, François Dubé, Justine Nadeau, Télesphore Caron, Cyprien Marchand, Alexis Boucher, Joseph Michaud Febronie Corbin and nine great-great Robert Oakes and sixteen are all mestizos.

Re: Henriette Lavigne (a translation of the baptism record)

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-27 19:27:30Z

"Parish Registers of Saint Famille de Nipisiguit (Bathurst) Gloucester Co,New Brunswick.
LDS Film:Paroisse: de la Sainte Famille Bathurst-Ouest
le cing mai mil sept cent quatre vingt dix neuf par nous pretre
missionaire ----- a ete baptisee sous condition henriette nee le meme
jour du legitime mariage de jean lavigne laboureur et de Modeste ache
ditte gallant"

a literal translation ...
5 May 1799 by our missionary priest was "conditionally" baptised henriette born the same
day of the legitimate marriage of jean lavigne, laborer, and Modeste ache ditte galant

Rephrased in english
5 May 1799 Henriette, born the same day of the legitimate marriage of jean lavigne, laborer
and of Modeste ache ditte gallant, has been "conditionally" baptised [baptisee sous condition]
by our missionary priest (------- illegible)

(what does "conditionally" mean???)
I am not Catholic, nor is French my mother tongue. I looked up "baptisee sous condition" on-line and
found the following which seems both comprehensive and relevant:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Conditional Baptism
Posted on 21 September 2010
by M.C. Moran
While going through RC parish registers in search of your Catholic ancestors, you may come
across the phrase “baptized conditionally” or “baptized sub conditione,” or, in French, "baptisé(e)
sous condition."
What did the padre mean, you may wonder, by this seemingly cryptic communication?

What the priest meant, basically, was that he had performed the baptism with words to the effect of,
"If you are not already baptized, I baptize you."

Why the conditional "if, with its gesture toward the possibility that a baptism had already been performed?
Well, I’m no theologian, but as far as I understand it, it goes something like this:
According to Catholic doctrine, there is only one baptism, which means that there is no such thing as
a valid second baptism or re-baptism. However, there was (and still is, as best I make out) some question
as to whether a baptism performed by anyone other than a duly ordained Catholic priest actually counted
[counts] as a baptism. So when a Catholic priest was asked to baptize someone who had maybe already
been baptized, given the question surrounding the validity of that possible first baptism (which may or
may not have been a baptism at all, from the RC perspective), the conditional baptism was a way of
hedging one’s bets.
For genealogical purposes, the two most frequent situations where you’ll encounter a conditional
baptism are:
1. the case of an infant who had been baptized at home by a (Catholic) family member as an emergency
measure (because the infant was gravely ill, and at risk of dying, and there was no priest around to
perform the baptism); and
2. the case of an adult convert to Roman Catholicism who had previously been baptized by a Protestant
clergyman.
A third situation would be that of an infant foundling (in French, un[e] enfant trouvé[e]), about whom there
was incomplete information concerning a possible baptism.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You might find it useful to pursue this further, dunno

Herb

Re: Henriette Lavigne

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-26 22:11:39Z

"Missionary?"

She was baptised by a missionary priest (pretre)

Re: Henriette Lavigne

katinainct — 2011-11-26 19:28:31Z

Not sure I understand this. Missionary?

Re: Henriette Lavigne

HerbNichols1 — 2011-11-25 17:33:41Z

"I believe she was Mi'kmaq"

Stop believing it.

"Parish Registers of Saint Famille de Nipisiguit (Bathurst) Gloucester Co,New Brunswick.
LDS Film:Paroisse: de la Sainte Famille Bathurst-Ouest
le cing mai mil sept cent quatre vingt dix neuf par nous pretre
missionaire ----- a ete baptisee sous condition henriette nee le meme
jour du legitime mariage de jean lavigne laboureur et de Modeste ache
ditte gallant"

Re: Lavigne's of Vankleek Hill/Apple Hill, Ontario

BKathleenMacKenzie — 2011-11-20 11:23:50Z

Hello Randy, I went to Vankleek Hill 2 months ago. Searched the protestant cemetary looking for my other family , "the Bell's" After I came home I found there were Lavigne's living there as well. Now I wish I had visitef the cemetary across the road Those Lavigne's came from the Nicolet, Terrabonne and Jolliette area in Quebec. My Lavigne's come from these areas as well but I don't recognize any of your names. Wish I could be more of a help to you. Good Luck on your search.

Re: 14 Lavigne siblings born in late 1800's: Mary, Blanche, Lena, Eva, Victorine, Rita, Wilfred, Henry, George, Emile, Johnny, Alfred & Amediee

smithmfg — 2011-11-19 12:34:06Z

It might help me locate them if you have a location for any of them or a date. Thanks

Re: 14 Lavigne siblings born in late 1800's: Mary, Blanche, Lena, Eva, Victorine, Rita, Wilfred, Henry, George, Emile, Johnny, Alfred & Amediee

puzzlesy — 2011-11-18 14:46:36Z

I am the granddaughter of Emile. I live in Gatineau quebec.
I have a lot of info on Samuel and Victorine and some on his brothers and sisters. Even some pictures. Are you interested

Re: looking for infor on FRED LAVIGNE

lstar10306 — 2011-10-31 16:31:40Z

My fred was born abt 1864 in Jefferson County NY. His father was Joseph (he is a brick wall). There was another Fred born abt. 1887 in Jefferson County, nephew of my Fred but have not been able to find any info on him. I am very interested in Lavignes. you can email me directly if you like
lstar10306@yahoo.com

Re: looking for infor on FRED LAVIGNE

ToriArey — 2011-10-31 12:09:54Z

Hi I am the GGG granddaughter of Leonard Lavigne Tori Arey (Lavigne) If you have any info you would like to share i would be greatful if you go on line and typr leonards name in he is buried with his wife in chazy cemetary. hope to here from you

Re: 14 Lavigne siblings born in late 1800's: Mary, Blanche, Lena, Eva, Victorine, Rita, Wilfred, Henry, George, Emile, Johnny, Alfred & Amediee

rachelm9201 — 2011-10-04 22:01:15Z

Not sure if they're related or not.

I have Cyrille Lavigne DOB 3/23/1851
Married to Amelia Durcharme
Children:
Arthur DOB 1875
Cornelia DOB 1876 DOD 12/24/1878
Vadmace or Valmace DOB 7/10/1878
Charles Alfred DOB 11/12/1879
Mary Eugenia DOB 2/12/1882 DOD 4/8/1883
Ovilla Napeleon (I've seen both names used as the 1st name)
DOB 2/11/1884
Wilfred DOB 2/27/1886
Some time between Feb 1886 and April 1888 Amelia passed away
Cyrille remarried Adelle Pion (Brunelle) also a widow.
She already had a son named Alfred Brunelle DOB Oct. 1874
They went on to have:
Albert DOB 1/11/1889
Homer DOB 5/11/1890
Amelia DOB 8/19/1891 DOD 2/18/1968
Eugene DOB 1893 DOD 8/18/1893 - may have been still born
Joseph W. DOB 1894 DOD 1894 also may have been still born
Lena DOB 5/10/1897 (Great Grandma)

Re: 14 Lavigne siblings born in late 1800's: Mary, Blanche, Lena, Eva, Victorine, Rita, Wilfred, Henry, George, Emile, Johnny, Alfred & Amediee

RalphEDeLange — 2011-09-30 01:44:40Z

Can't help much without some birthdates, middle names, marriage dates, etc.

Re: 14 Lavigne siblings born in late 1800's: Mary, Blanche, Lena, Eva, Victorine, Rita, Wilfred, Henry, George, Emile, Johnny, Alfred & Amediee

rachelm9201 — 2011-09-29 17:20:50Z

I know this is an old thread, but my great grandmother was a Lena Lavigne. She married Eugene Lord and resided in Indian Orchard, MA. Is this the same Lena?