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Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2012-05-17 13:30:02Z

This is rather a late reply but I am wondering what the result of the petition for the blue plaque was. Bertram Mitford's wife was my distant cousin.

Re: Mitfords of various places

hughmitford — 2012-05-12 17:16:17Z

Hello Paul,
Looks like we have the same blood? My gg grandfather was Edward Ledwich O Mitford FRGS (1811-1912). Just returned from Mitford doing some research for my book and came across your post. I'm most keen to know of the Mitford/Bullock involvement with Gosforth Park racecourse. Would be great to make contact. My email is hughmitford@wanadoo.fr
All best wishes and kind regards
Hugh

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

hughmitford — 2012-05-12 16:55:17Z

Hello Helen,
Was wondering if EH did finally put a plaque up? Bertram Mitford FRGS was my great uncle. I'm currently consolidating the Mitford family/dynasty history for a book to be published at some future date. Thought to mention this in the book and perhaps, would you be kind enough to take a digital photograph for me? My email is hughmitford@wanadoo.fr
All best wishes and kind regards
Hugh

Re: Mitford

climber2134 — 2011-09-12 11:55:11Z

Hello Susan,
I'm the cousin that received Joans thimble collection. You met my mother when you came down to devon. My father is Edward.
Unfortunatly I havn't managed to findout anything more about the connection.
Could you tell me Bertrams birth date as we have "bet.1880-1884" on the family tree and those of his parents, if you have them, as we only have aprox. dates for both,(sept/oct 1850 & bet.1861-1862).
Thankyou

Re: Mitford

susan_hearn1 — 2011-09-11 21:18:19Z

Hi there

I have just seen your exchanges on this website, which I am new to. I am the grandchild of Bertram Claud Barton, so I guess we are cousins. I am the only daughter of Norman Jeremy Claud Barton, the younger of Bertram's two children. His other child, Joan Olive Barton, never had children so I am the only grandchild. Sadly both my dad and Joan are now dead.

Did you ever get any info on the Mitford connection? Like you, I was always told that there was a family link, but without the first hand detail you have.

It would be great to hear from you. I used to hear of Uncle Harold, and guess I must have met him as I was born in 1961, but don't have any memory of him.

Many thanks

Sue Hearn

Re: Mitfords of various places

ann195_1 — 2011-08-26 19:12:31Z

Hi Nick, I know this a long time since your post in 2002, but if you do get to read it there may be a useful link. My grandfather's name was Bertram Mitford Bullock. He had a brother, Ralph Bullock who was an artist and art professor at Durham University who married a Dorothy Craggs at Seghill. In the family, all born at Morpeth, there were 4 boys and 4 girls, and of course Mitford village is quite nearby.
Nancy Mitford (born 1751) married William Bullock of Spital Hill. Bertram Mitford, later Osbaldson Mitford of Mitford Castle and Hunmanby teamed up with William Bullock (my grandfather's father, to set up the Gosforth Park racecourse.
We are going to Morpeth in October (2011) to do further research.

No doubt you have done lots of research since 2002, is this of interest?
Paul

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

helenkhera — 2011-08-11 07:07:58Z

Hello Brian

You are right of course - it's not a census, it's a 'London Street Directory' copy I have dated 1895 where all the occupants of the streets are named.
I will let you know what happens about the plaque following the meeting in October.

Best wishes
Helen

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

hughmitford — 2011-08-10 22:33:10Z

Hello Gerald,
Been trying to contact you re Bertram Mitford, my email is hughmitford@wanadoo.fr
All best wishes
Hugh

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

brianstringer402 — 2011-08-10 20:10:53Z

Hi Hugh
Yes you can email me brianstringer@hotmail.co.uk
I'm interested that you have all the books. My collection is still missing a couple of original volumes.
Looking forward to hearing from.
Best Regards
Brian

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

brianstringer402 — 2011-08-10 20:04:49Z

Thank you for the information about applying for the blue plaque. I wish you every success. BM should be recognised. I'm intrigued you mention an 1895 census as these only take place every 10 years. Was this a typing area? If so which census would this be and do you have further details? It's known that BM and his wife were separated for a period so this could explain his wife not appearing (or perhaps she was abroad at the time).

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

helenkhera — 2011-08-10 14:58:21Z

It might possibly be of interest to know that Bertram Mitford lived in our house at 84 Westbourne Park Road, Bayswater, London W2 for some years. He appears with his wife Louisa and daughter Yseulte (age 3) on the 1891 census and than again on the 1895 one, but this time it seems only the 'head of the household' is named.
I have applied to English Heritage to have a blue plaque affixed to the house to commemorate the time he spent here and his contribution to literature. His best known book The Sign of the Spider was written whilst living here. EH will decide in October.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

hughmitford — 2011-08-07 17:18:53Z

Hello Brian,
Greetings from France. Hope this finds you as your post was quite a few years ago! Bertram Mitford was my great uncle, his father my g-great grandfather and I am trying to consoldidate the family history. I have all Bertram's books and slowly reading them! Could I perhaps call you or email you if you let me know your contact details?
All best wishes
Hugh

Re: Mitford connections

hughmitford — 2011-06-11 22:55:12Z

Hello Peter,
Saw your post and thought to say hello. Regarding the Mitfords, are you linked as have all the Mitford history (I'm the last on the direct mainline). I'm originally from South Africa now in France.
I raise a glass
Cheers
Hugh

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

hughmitford — 2010-11-29 18:25:10Z

Hello and howzit Paddy,
This is wonderful news, many thanks indeed. Will email you directly. Hugh.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2010-11-29 13:15:40Z

I do have photographs of Bertram Mitford and also his daughter Yseulte . And a small amount of extra information. If you write to me at paddysmith@iburst.co.za I will send the pics.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

hughmitford — 2010-11-26 15:24:02Z

Edward Ledwich Osbalderston Mitford (1811-1912)was my GG grandfather.His daughter Margaret Mary Mitford was my great grandmother and Bertram Mitford was my great uncle. His two brothers became 32nd and 34th squires of Mitford Castle / Estate, Northumberland. I am the sole surviving descendant on the direct, mainline of the orginal Mitford family who can trace their links to Mitford, Northumberland, back to the 12th century & 1066. Bertram also had a son Roland Bertram Mitford (1891-1932). If by any chance you learn of any further information concerning Bertram, apart from his many books and life in South Africa, I would be most grateful if you could share it with me. Many thanks and kind regards. Hugh

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

geraldmonsman — 2010-08-12 23:22:12Z

Stephen:
Oh, PS, the book you're seeking is titled *Through the Zulu Country* (1883, reprinted often)

Best, Gerald Monsman, Professor

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

geraldmonsman — 2010-08-12 23:18:54Z

Stephen:

I've published a good bit on Bertram Mitford. My biographical Chapter 2 of *Colonial Voices* (UP of the South, 2010) has my best information. The book is probably in a university library near you. But I don't have nearly the amount of information that I would like, especially family letters. I haven't had the time to put out a wide request for sources, but in as large a family as this has become I'm sort of stymied. By the way, there is some Bowker material in this chapter also. Let me hear from you!

Best, Gerald Monsman, Professor

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2010-08-12 07:22:26Z

Hello Stephen
Sorry it's taken a while for me to get your message. I do know a whole group of Ebden researchers who possibly know that book. Write to me at paddysmith@iburst.co.za and I will pass your message on. We are probably related - I tie in with Curries and Carlisles.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

stephenbowker1 — 2010-08-11 19:54:53Z

Bertram Mitford was in South Africa during the Anglo Zulu war, January 22, 1879. Apparently he visited the battle field of Isandlana shortly after the famous battle where the British were defeated by the Zulu. In this account he gives detail of the battle field after the battle. If anyone knows of the book where this is written, I would appreciate it if I could be advised how to get my hands on it. Another point of interest is that my great, great, great grandfather married Anna Maria Mitford in 1800. They later came to South Africa in 1820 and the family has grown quite considerably.

Re: Mitford

FMitford — 2010-05-13 16:39:18Z

Sorry for the delay, I have extensively searched, and am convinced, unless there was another marriage, that John Lake BARTON did not marry a MITFORD.

If you do find anything, I would be most interested!

Regards,

Fiona Mitford

Re: Mitford

climber2134 — 2010-05-07 16:28:05Z

Hi Fiona
Thankyou for the BARTON info. My grandfather was Harold George Mitford BARTON and when young my father (b.1928) Knew the 'Mitford sisters' and was told they were his cousins. In fact he used to play tennis occasionaly with Deborah Mitford (befor she was married). And he was told that John Lake had married a Mitford and that was why the Mitford was in his fathers and grandfathers name and was going to be in his but for the behavior of some the sisters.
I Barton

Re: Mitford

FMitford — 2010-05-05 22:45:09Z

I realised afterwards, I had a query, and under Rev. John Lake BARTON (1804-1877), I had "He may have married a third time [3] poss. Jane CHRISTENSEN or Eliza PARSONS in 1880 at the IoW [2Q, 2b, 949]." This referred to a John Luke BARTON who I didn't manage to track down!

Apologies for any misunderstanding, as I can't remove it from the previous message,

Fiona

Re: Mitford

FMitford — 2010-05-05 17:50:46Z

Hi Climber ?

The simple answer is NO! I have searched every which way through my considerable [15,000+] MITFORD events, and no connection, other than Portsea, can be found.

I have studied the family at length, and would ask what makes you think that he married a MITFORD?

The use of Mitford as a forename, was not uncommon, and may have been after one of the Godparents, with MITFORD's in the area, this is quite likely.

He had at least two wives, possibly three, and it is not certain if this is further complicated by a lover!

Below is the Pedigree without footnotes, if you would like the full Word file, please email me direct at mitford@btinternet.com

Regards,

Fiona

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BARTON PEDIGREE

Gen 1: Samuel BARTON, m. unk, and they had:

Gen 2: Ezelias BARTON, m. unk, and they had:

Gen 3: James BARTON, m. unk, and they had:

Gen 4: James BARTON (1682-1759), m. [1] Mary BARTON (1682-1749), m. [2] Esther GRIFFIN at Binstead, Isle of Wight, [IoW], in 1751, with Mary he had:
1. James BARTON (1702-), m. Sarah BARTON (1707-), and they had issue, vide infra.
1.1. John BARTON (1741-1781), he m. Elizabeth LAKE (1739-1804) in 1760 at Calbourne, IoW. They had:
1.1.1. John BARTON (1773-1853), m. Mary COOPER in 1803 at Portsea, HAM.
2. John BARTON (1707-1762), he m. Ann LUDLAM (-1747) in 1732 at Binstead. Their issue was a son and two daughters:
2.1. Elizabeth BARTON (1732-1734).
2.2. William BARTON (1742-).
2.3. Hannah BARTON (1756-).
3. Bridget BARTON (1712-1772), she married Edward RIDOUT (1772-) in 1733 at Binstead, and had a daughter:
3.1. Rose RIDOUT (1743-1772).
4. Richard BARTON (1716-1802), he m. Elizabeth Coombs (-1747) in 1738 at Newchurch, IoW, and they had a son:
4.1. James BARTON (1740-), who m. Mary DYER in 1783, and they had a son:
4.1.1. James BARTON (1786-1787).
5. Mary BARTON (1719-1775) she m.[1] Robert GRIFFIN (-1746) in 1746, and m. [2] James URRY (-1813), in 1752; and they had a daughter:
5.1. Hannah URRY (1772+).

Gen 5: James BARTON (1702-), m. Sarah BARTON (1707-), and they had issue:
1. John BARTON (1741-1781), he m. Elizabeth LAKE (1739-1804) in 1760 at Calbourne, IoW. Vide Infra.
2. David BARTON (1743- 1833), he m. Elizabeth CHESSELL (1741-1819) in 1768 at Arreton, IoW. They had:
2.1. William BARTON (1769-1823). He m. Mary URRY (1771-1846) in 1769 at Arretin, IoW, and they had:
2.1.1. Jane BARTON (1795-) married Robert RAYNER in 1814 at Newchurch, IoW.
2.1.2. Martha BARTON (1796-) married William DAMP in 1816 at Arreton, IoW.
2.1.3. Ann BARTON (1802-), she married David DAMP in 1831 at Arreton, IoW.
2.1.4. Charlotte BARTON (1806-1875)
2.1.5. William BARTON (1808-1883), he married Hannah MACKETT (1807-1889) in 1828 at Arreton, IoW.
2.1.6. Sarah BARTON (1813-1852).
2.1.7. Daniel BARTON (1815-1881+), he married Sarah STOCKER (1809-) who was born in Peckham, in 1844.
2.2. James BARTON (1771-1837), b. IoW. He m. Mary WHITTINGHAM (1770-1857) in 1793, Arreton, IoW. They had:
2.2.1. James BARTON (1790-1862), he m. Hannah WHEELER (1788-1859) [b. Arreton, IoW], in 1810 at Newchurch, IoW; ; and they had issue.
2.2.2. Barnabas BARTON (1794-1874), married Elizabeth COOK (1801-1861) in 1830, at Newchurch, IoW.
2.2.3. Elizabeth BARTON (1796-1797).
2.2.4. William BARTON (1797-1837), he m. Charlotte JAMES in 1815 at Newchurch.
2.2.5. David BARTON (1799-), he married Elizabeth PHILLIPS (1805-), [b. Arreton, IoW], in 1823 at Binstead.
2.2.6. Daniel BARTON (1802-1807).
2.2.7. Sarah BARTON (1805-1807)
2.2.8. Ann BARTON (1808-), she married William WOODMORE in 1831, Newchurch.
2.2.9. Isaac BARTON (1809-1896), he married Caroline FANSON in 1838, Newchurch.
2.2.10. Jane BARTON (1812-), married Andrew COOK in 1835, Newchurch.
2.2.11. Elizabeth BARTON (1813-).

Gen 6: John BARTON (1741-1781), he m. Elizabeth LAKE (1739-1804) in 1760 at Calbourne, IoW. They had:
1. James BARTON (1790-1831), he m. Hannah DENHAM (1771-1837) in 1790 at Arreton, IoW, and they had:
1.1. James BARTON (1790-1863), he married, in 1843, ANN WHEELER (1798-1886) b. Ryde, IoW.
1.2. Jane BARTON (1794-1838).
1.3. Josias BARTON (1796-), married Jane RAWKINS in 1825 at Brading, IoW.
1.4. Ann BARTON (1797-1871+), she married James THEARLE (1793-1854) in 1843, Ryde, IoW.
1.5. Japheth BARTON (1800-1866), b. Ryde, IoW.
1.6. Sarah BARTON (1801-), she married Joseph FUTCHER in 1878.
1.7. John BARTON (1804-1855), he married Sarah RAWKINS (1794-1872) [b. Ryde, IoW], in 1829 at Newchurch, IoW.
1.8. Hannah BARTON (1807-), she married John FUTCHER (1807-) in 1839, Ryde, IoW.
1.9. Elizabeth BARTON (1815-1894).
2. Betty BARTON b(1762-1770).
3. Hannah BARTON (1764-1851+) m.[1] Mr WHITE, m. [2] William WHEELER (-1851) in 1797 at Shalfleet, IoW.
3.1. William Barton WHEELER (-1865+).
3.2. Ann WHEELER (1798-1886), b. Ryde, IoW, m. James BARTON (1790-1863) in 1843.
4. William BARTON (1767-1846).
5. Maria BARTON (1769-).
6. Sarah BARTON (1770-1836), b. Wootten Bridge, IoW. She m. Henry GROVES (1772-1844).
7. John BARTON (1773-1853), he m. Mary COOPER in 1803, Portsea, HAM. Vide Infra.
8. Elizabeth BARTON (1775-1833), m. William THEARLE (1766-1834) in 1793 at Newchurch, IoW; and had eight sons and six daughters.
9. Daniel BARTON (1778-1848), m. [1] unk, m. [2] Elizabeth COTTON (-1842) in 1829 at Freshwater, IoW. They had a son:
9.1. William Hatcher BARTON (1809-1870), who m. Ann BARTON (1819-1855) in 1839, Brading, IoW.
10. Barnabas BARTON (1780-1856), m. Ann KEMP (1782-1856), [b. Barnsley Farm, IoW], in 1809 at Godshill, IoW; they had two sons and two daughters.

Gen 7: John BARTON (1773-1853), he m. Mary COOPER (1782-), [b. Brightstone, IoW; d.o. William COOPER (1757-1828)], in 1803 at St Marys, Portsea, HAM. They had:
11. John Lake BARTON (1804-1877), b. Portsea, HAM, d. Winchester, HAM. He m. [1] Eliza POATE on 15 Oct 1831 at Portsea, HAM, and m. [2] Alethea PEIRCE HARRISON (1821-5 Mar 1874) in 1849 at Lewisham, London. Vide Infra.
12. William Isaac BARTON (1805-), b. 21 Sep, chr. 25 Dec 1805 at Portsea, HAM.

Gen 8: Rev. John Lake BARTON (1804-1877), b. 3 Jan 1804, he was chr. on 15 Feb 1804 at St Peters, Daniel Street (Wesleyan), Portsea, HAM; he died on 21 Jun 1877 at Winchester, HAM. He attended St John’s College, Cambridge, qualifying in 1830 with a B.A., and M.A. in 1836, became a Deacon in 1834, and Priest in 1835, as ordained by the Bishop of Winchester. He was Curate of Hambledon, HAM from 1834 to 1842, Waterloo, HAM, from 1842 to 1853, Curate of Clanfield, HAM, 1853-1858, where he was also Headmaster of St Paul’s School, Southsea. In 1869 he took over as Rector of St Mary in the Valleys with the Chapel of Wyke, Kings Worthy, HAM, from Charles WALTERS.
Per the ten-yearly censes, in 1841 he was Clergyman of Hambledon, HAM, living in the Hermitage. In 1851 he was Curate of St Georges, Portsea. He appears to have commissioned the building of Hinton House, Kings Worthy, a most impressive home, currently for sale for £800,000.
He m. [1] Eliza POATE (d.between 1841 & 1851), in 1831 at Portsea, HAM, and m. [2] Alethea Pierce HARRISON (1821-5 Mar 1874) in 1849 at Lewisham, London [3Q, 5, 331]. He may have married a third time [3] poss. Jane CHRISTENSEN or Eliza PARSONS in 1880 at the IoW [2Q, 2b, 949]. With Eliza he had:
1. Mary Eleanor BARTON (18??-1844), d. Portsea Island.
2. John Lawson Dennys BARTON (1833-1908), chr. 21 Jun 1833 at Portchester, HAM. He married 2 Sep 1868, Sarah Jane EDWARDS at Stockbridge, HAM; he died on 10 Apr 1908 at Winchester, HAM. They had six issue:
2.1. Ernest Wilfred Edwards BARTON (1869-1957).
2.2. Kathleen Mary BARTON (1871-).
2.3. Douglas Reginald BARTON (1873-1930).
2.4. Edward John BARTON (1877-1947).
2.5. Winifred Eleanor BARTON (1878-).
2.6. Eva Frances BARTON (1880-).
3. Eliza Harriet Olive BARTON (5 Jun 1834-1902), b. Portchester, she died unmarried on Xmas Day 1902 at Winchester, HAM. Olive was Governess to Walter WILLIAMS’ family at Martyr Worthy, HAM in 1871. Living on income derived from dividends, at 34 Jewry Street, Winchester in 1881, unmarried, with her half-brother, William. Cabinet Maker James COOPER (1838-), b. Portsea, was the head of the household. In 1891 and 1901 she was living at 6 Clifton Road, St Faith Within, HAM, living on her own means, with her servant Jane HELSTONE (1847-), b. Winchester.
Rev John Lake BARTON and ? Alethea had a son:
4. William Ernest BARTON (1846-1888), he was born at Hambledon, Middlesex, and died 2 May 1888 at Winchester, HAM. An Accountants Clerk in 1871, living at 2 Albion Grove, West Hackney, London. An Insurance Agent, living with his half-sister, Olive, in 1881 at Winchester.
Rev John Lake BARTON and Alethea Pierce HARRISON had a son:
5. Rev. Henry Charles Mitford BARTON (1850- 1923), he was chr. St Mary’s, Portsea, and died in Lewisham, London. Vide Infra.

Gen 8: Rev. Henry Charles Mitford BARTON (17 Sep 1850-12 Oct 1923), he was chr. St Mary’s, Portsea, and died in Lewisham, London. He attended St John’s College, Cambridge, qualifying in 1873 with a B.A., and M.A. in 1879, became a Deacon in 1874, and Priest in 1875, as ordained by the Bishop of Winchester, at which time he is recorded as Curate of Wyke, HAM. In 1878 he became Rector of Andover for three years, and then of Mudeford until 1891, St Margaret Lee until 1894, and Vicar of Burley, Ringwood, from 1894, until he became Vicar of Lillingstone Dayrell, OXF in 1903. He married Edith Anne PAIN (1862-1954), in 1882 at Andover, HAM [1Q, 2c, 295], and she died at Eltham, London. They had three sons, all living with them in 1891:
1. Harold George Mitford BARTON (10 Oct 1882–3 Jul 1970), b. Christchurch, HAM. In 1901 he was a Boarder at 32 Rydes Street, West Cardiff, Wales. Living in Southampton, HAM, in 1911. He m. Emily J. BURTON in 1927 at Southampton, [1Q, 2c, 18].
2. Bertram Claude BARTON (1884–30 May 1960), b. Christchurch, HAM. Living in St Marylebone, London, in 1911.
3. Norman Lywood BARTON (1887–20 Mar 1957), b. Christchurch, HAM.

Re: Florence and Norman Mitford Houghton-le-Spring England

climber2134 — 2010-05-04 21:34:40Z

Hi Fiona
Do you have any infomation on a Mitford marrying a Rev. John Lake Barton? (b.1804 - d.1877)
One of their sons was called Rev. Henry Charles Mitford Barton.(b.1850 - d.1923) and he had a son called Harold George Mitford Barton.
We think that John was married twice but we don't know the Mitford first name.
He had 3-5 children posibally with 2 wives we have the b. dates for 3 of them -1833-1834-1850.
His father was also called John and there is the posibility that someone has confused the 2 but we don't know.
(John, John + Henry all from Portsea, Hampshire).
Any help would be apreciated. Thankyou

Re: Mitford Surname

climber2134 — 2010-05-04 21:29:29Z

Do you have any infomation on a Mitford marrying a Rev. John Lake Barton? (b.1804 - d.1877)
One of their sons was called Rev. Henry Charles Mitford Barton.(b.1850 - d.1923)and he had a son called Harold George Mitford Barton.
We think that John was married twice but we don't know the Mitford first name. He had 3-5 children posibally with 2 wives we have the b. dates for 3 of them -1833-1834-1850.
His father was also called John and there is the posibility that someone has confused the 2 but we don't know. (John, John + Henry all from Portsea, Hampshire).
Any help would be apreciated. Thankyou

Re: Florence and Norman Mitford Houghton-le-Spring England

FMitford — 2009-12-27 21:02:11Z

Hi Vicky,

just seen your post, i have Norman in my one-name study, son of John Humble MITFORD, please contact me at mitford@btinternet.com

Regards,

Fiona

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2009-10-23 13:15:55Z

Thanks - will do!

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

ericakirby_1 — 2009-10-23 10:51:14Z

If Paddy-Smith cares to contact me at email address ericakirby@hotmail.com I shall provide him with the requested Ebden family tree.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2009-10-20 08:41:50Z

Please may I also have a copy of the Ebden tree. My great grandmother was Blanche Croll Ebden, Zima's sister.

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

Paddy_Smith — 2009-10-20 08:38:28Z

Please may I also have a copy of the Ebden tree. My great grandmother was Blanche Croll Ebden, Zima's sister.

Re: Mary MITFORD b 1751 of Mitford Castle m William BULLOCK

FMitford — 2009-08-10 20:20:32Z

Hello Richard

Again, apologies, the forwarding system doesn't appear to be working properly! If you are still live on this email, please contact me on *mysurname*@btinternet.com ;o)

Thanks

Fiona Mitford

Re: Mitford Surname

FMitford — 2009-08-10 20:16:56Z

Hi Alicia

Sorry for the delay!!! I must not have been notified or the email overlooked, as it was just by chance I had notification of another posting to the list today, and saw your query had not been answered. Please contact direct on *mysurname*@btinternet.com

Regards,

Fiona Mitford

Re: Mitford Surname

FMitford — 2009-08-10 20:13:43Z

Hello Adrian

Please contact me direct for more info, I have researched both chaps, and have the following with footnotes which do not show on here [as is editing!]:

4. Joseph George MITFORD (1791-1875), b. 1 May 1791, at Mitford, and chr. at Mitford on 13 Jun 1791. Captain in military service of the East India Company (H.E.I.C.S.). He m. Anne MAY, also Anna (1788-1875+), at Kingsland, Hereford on 28 Aug 1816, He was living at Merlyn’s Grove, Carmarthen, South Wales in 1835. Both Joseph and ‘Anna’ were living with their daughter Agnes and her husband, Rev John J. SMITH on the night of the census in Apr 1861. In 1871 they were living with their daughter Marianne and family. He died 2 Sep 1875 at Nottingham, and his widow, Ann, received his pension from the Madras Military Fund. They had issue:
7.1. George Newnham MITFORD (1817-1866), eldest son, born 25 Jun 1817; Senior Chaplain, Bombay Presidency. George translated and edited The Chronicles of a Traveller: Or, A History of the Afghan Wars with Persia, in the Beginning of the Last Century by Tadeusz Jan KRUSIŃSKI, published in 1840 by James RIDGWAY of Picadilly, London. The tome was interestingly dedicated to “Thomas NEWNHAM, ESQ, this volume is inscribed, as a small token of esteem, by his affectionate relative, The Translator.” He m. Sarah SAXON in 1843, probably in India. George and his wife both died at sea on the same voyage, he on 19 Jan and she on 4 Jan 1866. They had a son:
7.1.1. Godolphin Newnham Osbaldeston MITFORD (1844-1884), born at Mitford [allegedly – see following] on 16 Apr 1844; he died a Mohamedan in 1884. A descendant or relative would appear to be this chap found on page 40 of the London County Suburbs Directory of 1917 at 88 Brookbank Road, Lewisham, London SW, being: Godolphin Mitford ROWE, b. Alton, Hampshire in 1895. In an article The War in Heaven (in The Thesosophist, 1881, pp 24, 36, 67, 69), Godolphin was born in India, the son of a Missionary, and converted to Islam, adopting india dress, and the name ‘Mirza Moorad Ali Beg’ it goes on to state that “he was a most extraordinary Mystic, of great learning and remarkable intelligence.” Another manuscript worthy of mention is Initiates of the Theosophical Masters by K Paul JOHNSON, if only for the following statement, “MITFORD, whose surname seems almost synonymous with English eccentricity, was without a doubt the most bizarre of the Mahatmas’ chelas,” oh to be normal! From the same publication [p 39] it states that he was serving as Chief Cavalry Officer of the Maharaja of Bhaunagar when he met Col OLCOTT and HPB (Madame BLAVATSKY) on 20 Jan 1881. JOHNSON also states on p 68 that Godolphin died insane.

I have them traced back a long way safely to the MITFORDS of Mitford [1200's], and before that the BERTRAMS of Mitford [1066 and prior in Normandy, France].

I would be moost interested to learn more of this highly colourful branch of the family. Please contact on *mysurname*@btinternet.com ;o)

Regards,

Fiona Mitford

Re: Mitford Surname

AdrianRWatkins — 2009-08-10 19:17:25Z

I am interested in George Newnham Mitford (1817-86)son of Capt Joseph George Mitford and also George's son Godolphin Newnham Osbaldeston Mitford. I have some biographical information on George and Godolphin but an interested in any more information, photos and also the connections to the Mitford family generally

Re: Mitford connections

peteholden_1 — 2009-07-19 06:38:25Z

Hi Diane,
I am Joyce and Damien's son. I dont know if you even look at this site anymore. On the off chance-my email is
peteholden@bigpond.com.
Would like to know how you are going with the Mitford history and yourself.
cheers
Peter

Wife on Mitford Silverware

jsegpoole — 2009-05-16 08:26:32Z

Hello,
I am researching some silverware for the Art Gallery of South Australia. At sometime based on the coats of arms on the silver this particular item belonged to a Mitford. The cup also has the coat of arms of his wife. These are Gules (red) a chevron ermine between three combs ...
Has anyone here seen these arms or may have any idea to whom they may have belonged. The Silverware dates from the 1650
's but the engraving may be later. There is also a coat of arms from a member of a Nicolas family on the same cup.
Regards
Jeff

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

JaneFord155 — 2009-04-22 10:27:53Z

Hello,

I wonder if it might be possible if I, also could have a copy of the Ebden family tree? I'm working on Mitford as part of my doctoral thesis, and I think this information would be quite helpful. My email address is Jane.ford@liverpool.ac.uk.

Kind Regards,

Jane Ford

Re: Reveley-Mitfords

FairviewTexas — 2009-02-28 04:11:52Z

You found me!

Re: Reveley-Mitfords

aliciasassounian — 2009-02-28 02:46:14Z

Hello, Sarah. I understand you posted your message 3 years ago, however I just read it today, February 27th 2009. I can tell you about the Reveley-Mitfords on my husband's side of the family, those who arrived in Australia in the 1800s, specifically into Adelaide.
hope to hear from you
aliciasassounian@yahoo.com

Florence and Norman Mitford Houghton-le-Spring England

vickybarkernunn — 2008-11-24 15:33:20Z

Hello

Am looking for anyone who knows of Florence Mitford nee Nunn b.1903 and her husband Norman Mitford b. 1898. They lived in the Shiney Row, Penshaw area (in the borough of Houghton-le-Spring. They definitely lived in that area in 1935.

Re: Mitford Surname

tedali1 — 2008-08-20 23:26:04Z

dear Fiona
Hope you are still interested in the Mitford surname and in providing information from England. Please contact me if you read my message. My husband is the son of Eustace Reveley Mitford, who arrived in Australia in 1839 (in the Katherine Stewart Forbes). I have difficulty in finding more about his own parents, John and Sara and his siblings. Also his connection to the Baron in the family.
thanks in advance
alicia

Re: Mitford connections

tedali1 — 2008-08-12 03:43:30Z

dear Diane
I am married to a Mitford whose ancestor Eustace was the father of his own father and of Percy Benson (1842-1891). Percy had a sister called Alice who married a Gall.
Robin Brown, who works at the National Gallery of Victoria is also related to Alice Mitford. WHat a coincidence we met the guy by chance a year ago!
I know you wrote in 2002 but hope you will read my notes soon
alicia

Re: Mitford family

tedali1 — 2008-08-12 03:36:02Z

dear Fee
I hope you can send the names of the other children Sara Woodward had. My husban is a Mitford related to Eustace Reveley. My understanding was that Sara died and the husband re-married and had John Freeman Mitford and William the historian as chidren with his second wife.is this possible
thanks, alicia

Re: Mitford/Reveley family connection

tedali1 — 2008-08-12 03:29:20Z

dear Sarah, my husband is a Mitford and his ancestor was Eustace Reveley Mitford. I understand that Eustace was the son of John Mitford, Barrister and brother of John Freeman and William Mitford. Am I correct?
thanks in advance
alicia

Re: Mitford/Reveley family connection

tedali1 — 2008-08-12 03:27:03Z

Dear Tom
I am married to Edward Mitford, whose ancestor was Eustace Reveley Mitford. Amanda is the wife of our nephew. I would love to see the volume of Pasquin. Is there a chance?
Thanks.
My husband's father was George Frederick, son of Harry, son of Harry Edward, son o f Eustace
By the way, we have a friend by the name Robyn Brown, working at the National Gallery of Victoria, who is related to Alice Mitford. Isn't it a coincidence?

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

brianstringer402 — 2007-08-02 18:54:12Z

Dear Erica, Sorry that it's taken me this long to reply.
Yes, could you forward a copy of the Ebden family tree to brianstringer@hotmail.co.uk
Many Thanks

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

GMonsman — 2007-01-27 18:35:50Z

Dear Ms. Kirby:

Could I trouble you for an email of the Ebden family tree, same as you sent (I presume) to Brian Stringer? We're both interested in Bertram Mitford (I met Brian this past summer in London). I've published a short sketch of Bertram's life in my *H. Rider Haggard on the Imperial Frontier* (2006); any further background you can supply would be most gratefully received.
Best, Gerald Monsman, Professor

Re: Bertram Mitford 1855 - 1914

2006-11-23 11:20:41Z

Sorry, I cannot help with Bertram Mitford but his wife Zima Helen (nee Ebden) was daughter of Alfred Ebden who was my great great grandfather. If you supply me with your email address I can forward a copy of the Ebden family tree if it is of interest.

Mitford

joannawelch_1 — 2006-06-15 13:25:52Z

Looking for information on Francis Mitford born about 1720.
Lived in Cheshire. Trying to connect him to Northumberland