Norval - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

NORVAL, Miriam

nashvillemason48 — 2011-10-31 19:26:14Z

Does anyone have information on the parents of Miriam Norval that they would share?
Born about 1814 in Tennessee, married John Wesley Ellis [1805-1877], and she died 4-26-1873 in Gibson county, Tennessee.
Children:
Josephine Ellis
Wiley A. Ellis
James W. Ellis
Araminta Mittie S. Ellis
Cherry A. Ellis
and
Martha Ellis

Thanking you, in advance.

Re: Scottish Norvals

elsiekempson — 2011-07-14 16:14:24Z

Hi There
My name is Elsie Kempson, My great Grandfather was Jan Norval, one of his son were George Morgan Norval, one of his daughters were Anna Aatherina, I am Anna's first daughter, I live in the UK now, and would like to know if there is any family in the UK or Scotland

Regards
Elsie

Re: Scottish Norvals

elsiekempson — 2011-07-14 04:57:36Z

Hi There

I am very intrested in finding any relatives still living in Scotland, my great, great, great, great grandfather was Archibold Joseph Norval, who moved to South Africa , he was born 1775 in Scotland, he married a south african lady Anna Willehamina van Staden, they had some children, one of them was Jan Norval, one of his sons George Morgan Norval is my granfather, and my mother was Anna Norval. I now live in the Uk, I would love to here more

Regards

Elsie

Alexander Norval b. abt 1867 Sct. died Vancouver 1948

SusanMerkley — 2011-02-11 13:44:51Z

I am looking for information re: Alexander Norval b. 1867 in Peebleshire Scotland and who emigrated to Canada circa 1901. He was working as a porter in a hotel in Kootenay BC by 1911 and was married to an Edith Alice Unknown b. 1885 in England.
Alexander died in 1948 in Vancouver and Edith Alice in 1947 in Vancouver.
If any one has information regarding these people, I would love to hear from you and try to confirm a connection to my line of Norvals.
Thanks
Sue

Re: Scottish Norvals

mogulza — 2011-02-07 08:43:56Z

Mhairi - Do you know who the parents of Archibald (husband of Chrstina Blackstoks) were?

Regards
Mike

NORVAL, Miriam

nashvillemason48 — 2010-11-28 16:48:59Z

Does anyone have any info on the above person that they would kindly share? Born abt 1814 in Tennessee and died 4-26-1873 in Gibson co., Tennessee.
She married a John Wesley Ellis, [1805-1877].

Thank you in advance.

Re: Scottish Norvals

tonnerm — 2010-09-04 22:28:25Z

Her relation is Helen (Alexandrina)Wright b.23 May 1903 at 21 Pefferbank, Craigmillar, Edinburgh. d.about 1984

Re: Scottish Norvals

Mhairi87 — 2010-09-04 14:55:46Z

HI Norval

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.

I would love any information you had on the family, as well as more detailed info on Alexander.

Is it ok for me to email you the information I have on James, Grizell and family? It may take me a while to get it all together, hope thats ok!, as I have just started a new job and thats taking a bit of my time at the moment.

I will have a look into the whereabouts of Alexander's son William (unless you have managed to find him by now) and think your right, he probably did immigrate.

Would it also be possible for you to send me a copy of Alexanders will? I lost the digital copy I had when my last laptop died on me. Have since learned my lesson and now have everything backed up on an external HD :)

Hope to speak to you soon,
Mhairi

Re: Scottish Norvals

Mhairi87 — 2010-09-04 14:48:26Z

Hi Mike

Nice to hear from you :)

Which child is your wife related from? My grt grandfather was the 6th child born to the couple - William Norval McAulay Wright - in 1900.

I have a bit of information if you are interested.

Let me know,
Regards

Mhairi

Re: Scottish Norvals

tonnerm — 2010-08-12 15:33:05Z

Just checked Mhairi, John Wright married to Margaret Norval are my wife's GG grandparents.

Mike

Re: Scottish Norvals

tonnerm — 2010-08-12 04:18:03Z

I recognise this family connection in Edinburgh for Norval.

William married Marion Forgie Cockburn in 1868 in Edinburgh. They had

Margaret 1870
Archibald 1872
William 1875
Marion 1877
Grace 1880

Margaret married John Wright.

Re: Scottish Norvals

norval52 — 2010-04-13 21:06:55Z

Hi Mhairi,

I have that same book, Murder in Cumbria. I spent time in Carlisle last year finding the family grave and researching the newspapers in the local library. Both the Edinburgh and Carlisle newspapers covered the murder and subsequent trial and aquittal of Archibald. I also visited the site of the murder at West Walls, just behind the Cathedral and Alexander's last home in a village called Great Corby, just outside Carlisle.
Have you done any research into Alexander's children? He had eight. Five daughters and three sons. His first-born was William, born in Edinburgh on 30/11/1856. I cannot trace him further than the 1871 census in Carlisle when he would have been 14/15 years old. He seems to disappear after that. Although, he must have been alive when his father wrote his will in 1908. William is one of the beneficiaries of that will. My only guess is that he may have emigrated. Can you throw any light on this? I can find all the other children through to their deaths.

I would like a copy of the info you have on James and Grizel(Grace) and their family, if that is not too much trouble.

I think that the reason we cannot find any recording of Alexander's birth, c1836, is because before 1855 it was not obligitory to record it and therefore, for some reason, it was never entered into any parish register. If I do find it I'll let you know.

Do you want a note of my root back to Alexander?

I think that there may be a link to the South African Norvals but like you I have no confirmation. If I do establish a link I will let you know.

Regards,

Norval.

Re: Scottish Norvals

Mhairi87 — 2010-04-12 20:45:36Z

Hi Norval,

Thanks for your message and the information it contained. It was very "strange" to get your message as I had just recieved, in the mail, a book that I had ordered in regards to the Norval Murder called Murder in Cumbria. It was odd to get the two at the same time.

If you'd like I can send you some information on James and Grizell (Grace) and their fairly large family, though not Archibalds birth. That one is still eluding me. I haven't got further back from James yet, though there are some who think he was related to some Norvals who went to South Africa. Sadly I haven't been able confirm or deny that yet.

Re: Scottish Norvals

mogulza — 2010-04-11 21:04:23Z

Hi Norval,

I am a Norval researcher from South Africa. I would appreciate getting your ancestry back to James and Grizel. Feel free to contact me directly at webmaster@lamusse.net

My Norval information is at

http://gw4.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=mogulza&lang=en

Regards
Mike Lamusse

Re: Scottish Norvals

norval52 — 2010-04-09 19:30:20Z

Hi Mhairi,

I am fairly new to this game and have just discovered your message board regarding the Norvals in Scotland.

I am the GG grandson of Alexander Norval c1836. I don't know how much you know of him. My research so far has taken me back to his grandparents James and Grisel. However, I wasn't aware of how many children James and Grisel had had.

Apart from James and John I had only found Alexander's sister Grace and brother's Archibald and William.

Did you find any record of Alexander's birth in OPR's or otherwise? I havn't so far. It was his marriage records which led me to his parents and grand parents.

Alexander came through to Edinburgh and trained as a currier in leather. He married Alison Rodger from Tranent and then lived in Edinburgh for a few years where their first two children William and Elizabeth respectively were born. They then moved to Ireland (no idea whereabout) where ther third child, Margaret, was born. They then settled in Carlisle where five further children were born. I am the great grandson of their son Alexander Rodger Norval who, although born in Carlisle, lived in Scotland from a very early age.
Alexander eventually set up his own leather business in West Walls, Carlisle. He also had business interests in Scotland and travelled between Carlisle and Edinburgh frequently.

On 5th November 1910, at the age of 75, Alexander was murdered at West Walls. His youngest son, Archibald, was arrested and taken to trial for his father's murder. Archibald worked in the business with his father. He was aquitted. As a result the murder is still unsolved to this day. In spite of his aquittal life became uncomfortable for Archibald in Carlisle so he emmigrated to Australia with the intention that his wife and children would follow on once he was settled. However, the first world war started and that never happened. His wife and children remained in this country. After the trial, Alexander's wife Alison moved to London to be with one of her daughters. She died there almost a year later aged 80. Her body was returned to Carlisle to be buried alogside her husband.

My grandfather used to tell us the details that he remembered of the whole episode. He was only 14 when his grandfather was murdered.
Both the Carlisle and Edinburgh newspapers of the time have full coverage of the events.

I hope this is of interest to you.

Norval.

P.S. I was given my mother's maiden name as my first name.

Re: Elizabeth Ellen Ainsworth/ Henry Louis Norval

ELLinSpain — 2009-08-03 12:52:33Z

Births Jun 1871
Ainsworth Elizabeth Ellen
REGISTERED IN Bolton
VOLUME 8c
PAGE 384

Elizabeth Ellen Ainsworth/ Henry Louis Norval

SusanMerkley — 2009-08-02 22:42:21Z

I am searching for information on the above. Elizabeth Ellen Ainsworth was born circa 1871 in Lancashire to a John Moore Ainsworth who died in 1911 in Chester. Her mother's first name was Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Ellen married Henry Louis Norval in 1900 in Chester. He died in 1921 in Chester where he was a newsagent. I can find no children for this family nor death information on Elizabeth Ellen.

If anyone is researching this family, please get in touch with me. Thank you.
Sue
Canada

David Norval/Helen Anderson, Scotland

SusanMerkley — 2008-09-08 14:12:33Z

I am looking for information re: the following branch of my family:

David Norval (son of John Norval and Mary Hogg Johnston) b. 1837 in Fife married Helen Anderson and had the following children:

Mary b. 16 Aug. 1865 Inverleithen Peebleshire
Alexander b. 27 Aug. 1867 Inverleithen
John b. 30 Jan. 1870 Inverleithen

I am searching for more information about the children, whether they married or emigrated. If anyone has information on these people, I would like very much to hear from you.
For now...
Sue in Canada

Re: Scottish Norvals

mogulza — 2008-03-26 15:27:52Z

Hi Mhairi,

Have you ever been able to resolve this problem of whther the South African Norvals were the children of William Norval and Jean Young or John Norval and Charlotte Watson?

Do you have more information on William Norval and Jean Young. I do not know who Williams' parents are and I ohave only a single child for them by the name of John. FEel free to contact me at mikel@uskonet.com

Re: Scottish Norvals

MhairiCunningham — 2007-07-24 16:18:21Z

Thanks for the speedy reply Doug

It was Janet Harris who got in touch with me as well, over on another message board.

Let me know what she says to you,
Regards

Mhairi

Re: Scottish Norvals

norvalresearch — 2007-07-24 06:08:41Z

The Archibald Joseph Norval who emmigrated to SA in 1817 married Anna Wilhelmina van Staden and had 8 children
George Morgan Norval
Jeanetta Sophia Norval
James Charles Norval
Archibald Joseph Norval
Anna Wilhelmina Norval
Jan Norval
Wilhelm Jan Norval
Margaretha Susanna Louisa Norval

John, Archibald Joseph, James Charles & George are very common names in the family, I have about 9 Archibald Joseph's. It looks lie everybody named their children firstly after the parents, then the brothers & sisters and then the uncles etc.

Regards

Doug

Re: Scottish Norvals

norvalresearch — 2007-07-24 05:58:43Z

Hi,

I know the feeling !!

Janet Harris sent me these two messages a little while ago.

Message 1:
Hi, My 4X great grandfather was John Norval, he was a comb maker in Glasgow, Scotland. He migrated with his wife Janet Foyar and three sons, John, Archibald and William on the ship Brilliant in 1817 bound for South Africa.
They left behind two daughters, Jean and Janet, who stayed in Scotland and later married,. Another son, Henry (my line) left Glasgow for London in December 1816.

Message 2:
Hi Doug thank you for replying so speedily. I think you're absolutely correct in saying that William and Archibald were John seniors brothers. He also had a brother James , who married Grisel Pettigrew in 1794, and a sister Janet. I also found what I think could have been a previous marriage for John junior to a Jean Baird, but he would have been only 16 at the time so maybe it's not him. My 4X great grandfather Henry settled in London and carried on working as a costermonger/market trader and died about 1860.

I will contact her and ask how she made those links.

Regards

Doug

Re: Scottish Norvals

MhairiCunningham — 2007-07-23 18:42:44Z

Hey Doug

I have seen some information on the web about the four Norvals being Moodie settlers - three brothers and one of their sons. Can i ask how you made the connection between them and James?

I have a contact on another site who claims that James, John, Archibald and William are the sons of William Norval and Jean Young so you can understand that i'm getting a little confused and need to have some evidence to back it all up with.

I know that Archibald married across in South Africa, do you know if there is any mention of him being married previously? As i have another contact who is decended from a Archibald Norval (comb maker, as they all seem to have been) and Christina Blackstock and i have been trying to work out if this is the same Archibald who moved to SA as he doesnt appear in the 1841 nor in any of the burial/mi indexs, though i know these are not complete.

Anyway, i'd appreciate if you can shed any light on this whole mess that could help me untangle it all.

Regards
Mhairi

Re: Scottish Norvals

norvalresearch — 2007-07-23 15:24:20Z

Hi,

I have your James having as father John Norval & Mother Charlott Watson. His siblings were John Norval, William Norval, Archibald Joseph Norval & Janet Norval.

3 of the brothers, John, Archibald & William are the family that emmigrated to Suth Africa in 1817 as part of the Moodie Settlers.

Any info you have on your side of the family and further back into Scotland would be most appreciated.

Regards

Doug Norval

Re: Scottish Norvals

judyharris25 — 2006-07-06 17:48:14Z

Hi Mhaeri, saw your postings re the Norval family. I have Norvals based in Glasgow from around 1798 to 1850's, specifically John Norval marrying Janet Foyar, son Henry Norval born around 1810 moved to the East End of London. Janet and John Norval had quite a large family, second son was John, daughters Jean and Janet. Have not thoroughly researched the family so names are missing. Believe the location of the family was the Gorbals in Glasgow. Can you give me any help? Many thanks Janet.

John W. Norval / Norville b. 1840 Illinois to Oregon

tonylarson541 — 2006-06-27 19:01:55Z

Oregon Republican League:

Republican League Register of Oregon, The Register Publishing Company, 1896, page 256.

NORVAL, HON. J. W., of Union County, was born in Fulton, Illinois, June 5, 1840, and was educated at Lombard College. At the age of twenty he went to California and began teaching school. In 1861 he went to the mines of Eastern Oregon, and mined there and in British Columbia and Idaho seven years. In 1868 he located in Union County, and has since been engaged in farming and stock-raising. E was three times nominated to the legislature in that strong democratic section, and for the fourth time in 1888, when he was elected Joint Senator for Union and Wallowa counties. He has frequently been a member of county and state conventions.

-Tony Larson

Re: Scottish Norvals

2006-03-29 22:24:00Z

Hey Susan

Forgot to put on my original message that in the 1841 census Archibald and his family where in Aberdeen where some of the children where born. They where there till at least 1843 when William was born.

Anyway if i get anymore info on my Norvals i'll post it. I've had one good response on this website so i may find another one day.

Regards
Mhairi

Re: Scottish Norvals

2006-03-29 21:39:47Z

No, I'm sorry I don't...I seem to be chasing Norvals in Aberdeenshire and cannot make a connection with those in Glasgow although I remember some researchers connecting this family to the Norval's who went to South Africa in the early 1800s.
Sue

Scottish Norvals

2006-03-15 18:31:26Z

Hey

Do you have any connection to any of the following Norvals? If so then i'd love to hear from you.

I have

James Norval (comb maker) c1770 - married Grace/Grizel Pettigrew

Had the following children

James c1794
Janet c1794
Thomas c1796
John c1800
Andrew c1802
Janet c1803
William c1806
Archibald c1807
William c1809
Robert c1811
Janet c1815

All in the Glasgow area.

Archibald married, first, Margaret Macaulay c1810 (various spellings) in Stirling in 1829. They had

James c1831
Grace c1833
Alexander c1836
Archibald c1839
John c1840
William c1843

Margaret died in 1856 and Archibald remarried Elizabeth McKinlay c1829. I have not looked into the children they might have had yet.

William married Marion Forgie Cockburn in 1868 in Edinburgh. They had

Margaret 1870
Archibald 1872
William 1875
Marion 1877
Grace 1880

Margaret married John Wright.

Ley me know if you have any connection or information.
Mhairi

Joseph Norval/Jenny Rosetta Niess

2006-03-06 16:45:08Z

I am searching for information re: the family of Joseph Norval and Jenny Rosetta Niess who were married in Wigtown, Sct. in 1861. At that time, Joseph was a gardener on the estate of the Earl of Galloway and his wife was the governess there.

They had the following children:

Henry Louis Norval b. 09 April, 1862 Wigtown
Charles Norval b. 04 March, 1864 Wigtown.

In the 1881 census Joseph is widowed and is a gardener in Chester. He dies in Chester Cathedral in 1899.
Henry Louis is a gardener in Derbyshire.
I can find no trace of Charles, the second son.
I have no death date for Jenny Rosetta Niess.

Joseph Norval was born in 1825 in Prestonpans, Sct. to Charles Norval and Agnes Anderson of Fifeshire.

If anyone finds this family in the branches of their tree, I would like to hear from you.
Sue in Canada

NORVAL-1 PA newspaper article

Max57TBird — 2006-01-26 06:13:27Z

NORVAL-1 PA newspaper article(s) from Chester Co., PA scrapbook c. 1870 - 1910. Link to 1000+ name index is:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~scrapbook/index.html

Dr. James Norval--Mentioned in Civil War Letter

@@tony_meeks@msn.com — 2004-10-31 03:48:31Z

Re: Norvals of Fife, Scotland

norval160 — 2004-01-20 18:35:58Z

Hi Sean:

I have some information regarding the Norvals of Abbotshall. Please contact me as your email address keeps bouncing.
Thanks.

Re: Norvals of Fife, Scotland

norval160 — 2004-01-20 18:35:58Z

I am looking for further information regarding the following family in Fifeshire..Thornton, Markinch.

Joseph Norval b. circa 1771 in Scotland. Lived in Thornton, Markinch and died in Aug. of 1850. He married Janet Cree in 1793 in Fifeshire and they had the following children:

Charles Norval b. 1797, Markinch. d. before 1836, place unknown. Married Agnes Anderson in Fifeshire in 1822.

John Norval, b. 1799 in Markinch. Lived on the Isle of Skye at some point circa 1840 to 1851 at least. Marriage and death information unknown.

Margaret Norval b. circa 1800, Thornton, Markinch? Was married to Peter Laing of Gallatown, road surveyor. Died..unk.

Janet Norval, b. 1802, Thornton, Markinch. Married Alexander Kilgour, stone mason, and emigrated to Clarendon Twp. Pontiac County, Quebec Canada circa 1845.

Grandsons of Joseph Norval:
Joseph Norval, b. 1826 Prestonpans
Thomas Norval b. 23 May, 1827 Perthshire
Parents: Charles Norval and Agnes Anderson
If anyone has information relating to this family, I would love to hear from you.
Sue

Norvals/Norwell

norval160 — 2004-01-20 18:35:58Z

I have finally made a breakthrough...

I have found on the IGI a record of a Thomas Andrew Norwell being born in Auchtergaven, Perth Sct. 23 May 1827 to Charles Norwell and Agnes Anderson.

I have also found a marriage between a Charles Norval and Agnes Anderson 04 Nov. 1822 in Kircaldy, Fife. They had from what I can gather two children (OPR records)

Joseph Norval b. 13 Feb. 1826 Prestonpans
Thomas b. 23 May, 1827 Auchtergaven

I have found in the 1841 census of Thornton, Markinch Fifeshire a Joseph Norval age 70 living with a Joseph Norval age 15 and a Thomas Norval, age 13. I am wondering if this elder Joseph Norval is the boys' grandfather/uncle. I believe they are probably the children born to Charles and Agnes.

If any one has information on this family...I would be grateful to hear from you.

Sue

Nathaniel NORVIEL b. 1787 m. Eliz THARP

dwoodburn0758 — 2003-03-03 13:33:54Z

Looking for information about my 3-gr-grandfather Nathaniel NORVIEL, b. 1787, maybe in CT, d. 1855 in Logan Co, OH. Married Elizabeth THARP, b. 1792, d. 1859 in Logan Co, OH. Children were Rufus, Luman, William, Abraham (my 2-gr-grandfather), Anna Eliza, Seth B., David Stiles, Catherine, Henry and Roderick.

Abraham, my 2-gr-grandfather, b. 1814 somewhere in OH, m. Esther Thomas 1850 in Union Co, OH.

Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated.

Re: William Norval

dwoodburn0758 — 2003-03-03 13:33:54Z

Rick,

It doesn't seem to be a match. The son William of my Nathaniel was born 1809 in either CT or OH, and married Diantha Hawley (or Holly) in 1835 in Medina County, OH. William died young (1848) in OH.

I have more complete info about the family on WorldConnect. See <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dwoodbur...;.

THX for contacting me. I'll keep you in mind if I see anything, if you'll do the same! : )

Deb

Re: Norval; Sct. and New York State

2002-10-20 18:23:28Z

Hello Sue,I am seeking info/source for " Thomas Norvell " ,who arrived on the Margaret and John ship 1/25/1624 ,in James City,Va. So far I have not located a source for English records on the computer . Can you advise some positive direction that I may take ?
Thank You
Bob Norville

Norval; Sct. and New York State

SusanMerkley — 2002-03-24 18:34:01Z

I am searching for the birthplace of Thomas A. Norval, born circa 1827 in Scotland. He emigrated to New York State and resided
in St. Lawrence County from about 1850 to 1880. He married Mary Shearer of Hammond, New York circa 1850. I am trying to trace this family back to Scotland.
I have searched both the IGI and the OPR records of Scotland and find one Thomas Norval born during this time period.

The family I have found in Glasgow are as follows:

Thomas Norval married Jean (Jane) Main
April , 1819 Glasgow.
They had the following children:

James, b. June 19, 1820, Glasgow
Grizel, b. 19 Nov., 1921, Glasgow
John, b. 2 June, 1823, Glasgow
Thomas, b. 27 July, 1825, Glasgow
William, b. 16 Jan. 1828, Glasgow.

I have been unable to draw a solid link between the Thomas Norval born in Sct. and the Thomas Norval who died in St. Lawrence County circa 1880. If any one is researching this family, I would like to make contact.
Thanks.
Sue

Re: Nathaniel NORVIEL b. 1787 m. Eliz THARP

traceydircksen — 2002-03-20 20:46:40Z

Abraham Norviel was married 1st to Lucinda Holly(9-1-1815)
to (11-13-1848)had 5 children by 1st wife:Isreal died when he
was 2. Jane, Levi, The other 2 died in infancy.Abraham then
married Esther Thomas on 3-6-1850. They had 5 children.
Theron Anson, EdgarArlando,Jesse Bernard, Abraham Lauren
and Ada Florence. Abraham and Ester are buried in salem ILL. Edgar and his wife are buried in Toledo.

Re: Nathaniel NORVIEL b. 1787 m. Eliz THARP

2002-01-07 00:52:45Z

This is a long shot; I am interested in the "William" you have identified as a son of this couple.

According to an obituary, my gggrandmother, Sarah FITZPATRICK, was born in Pennsylvania (29 July 1818). (The 1880 U.S. Census of Wasco County, Oregon suggests her parents were also born in Pennsylvania). According to her obituary, she moved with her family when she was two years of age to Ohio where she grew up and married a William NORVAL by whom she had one son, Thomas Norval. Mr. Norval lived only a short time. Sarah and her son moved with her family (family of origin or procreation?) to Illinois. She then married William McATEE in 1844 in Pike county, Illinois.

We have no other information on our William and were wondering if our William and your William are connected, or if you have any information that may pertain to our William.

Thank you for your time.

Rick Cantrell
cgcantrell@juno.com

Norvals/Beauharnois, PQ

SusanMerkley12 — 2001-06-27 13:20:17Z

Hi Sean:

I was just wondering if you have checked out the Huntingdon Quebec Webpage on Rootsweb?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~qchuntin/Default.htm

There are some interesting postings in the Huntingdon Gleaner if you search the files:

i.e. o5/07/1885
Mary Helene de Blaquiere, relict of the late R.H. Norval, died at Beauharmois, aged 74 yrs.

11/02/1914
Magdalen Howden Norval, daughter of late R. H. Norval and widow of the late J. M. Browning, formerly Beauharnois, PQ, died Montreal, age 81 yrs.

There are quite a few more Norvals in extracts from the paper.

Sending it along...just in case you haven't hit this page yet. Happy Hunting!!!
Sue (in Ontario)

NORVAL surname - Scotland

stephanieds — 2001-06-22 22:38:33Z

I'm looking for information on my GGGgrandmother, Catherine BUTTERCASE. She is also cited as BUTTARS, BUTTERS, BUTTER, and BUTTAR in various sources. She was born in approximately 1800-1810 in Scotland. She married Frederick NORVAL on 21 Jan 1831 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland. They had at least one child; I do not know of others: Jane NORVAL (b. 1843 in Fife, Scotland).

Jane NORVAL, daughter of Frederick and Catherine [Buttercase] NORVAL, married (1)James GOW and (2)William FISHER. Her children with James GOW were as follows:
-Alexander GOW (b. 21 Nov 1861 in Dundee)
-Catherine GOW (b. 29 Nov 1863 in Dundee)
-James GOW (b. 3 Mar 1865 in Dundee)
-[Child] GOW (b. 26 Jan 1866 in Dundee)

I do not know whether James GOW died or whether he and Jane NORVAL were divorced, but she became remarried to William FISHER (b. 1839 in Clackmannan, Scotland), son of William FISHER and Elizabeth DUNCAN, and they had one child: William FISHER (b. 10 Aug 1874 in Dundee, Scotland).

William FISHER, son of William FISHER and Jane NORVAL, married Annie Wishart PIRIE (b. 24 Oct 1873 in Dundee, Scotland), daughter of Alexander PIRIE and Julia Ann BUIST, on 19 Nov 1895 at St. Mary's Church on Ward Road, in Dundee, Scotland. William and Annie [Pirie] FISHER had one child: Gilbert Wishart FISHER (b. 6 Feb 1897 in Dundee, Scotland).

I have more information on the descendants of this line, and would be happy to share it if anyone is interested. I am currently looking for information on the ancestors of Frederick NORVAL, husband of Catherine BUTTERCASE (BUTTERS, BUTTARS, BUTTER, BUTTAR), and apparently born in Fife, Scotland. Any information or help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephanie Sampson
Los Angeles, CA
FamilyTresearch@hotmail.com

Norvals of Fife, Scotland

2000-09-19 12:00:00Z

Looking for info on Norval family of Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland:

Charles Norval m. Magdalene Howden, 1797 in Abbotshall.

Issue:
Charles Norval, b. 1798 in Abbotshall
Robert Howden Norval, b. 1799 in Abbotshall, m. Heleine ___, d. 1850's in Beauharnois, Quebec. Served as tax collector/accountant for Hudson's Bay Co.
Charles Norval, b. 1800 in Abbotshall
Magdalene Howden Norval, b. 1802 in Abbotshall, m. Robert Thompson in 1832 in Chiswick, England, d. 1869 in Chiswick, England
Margaret Norval, b. 1803 in Abbotshall, d. 1860's in Chiswick, England
Harriet Norval, b. 1805 in Abbotshall, d. 1860's in Chiswick, England
Joseph Norval, b. 1809 in Abbotshall, d. abt 1860 "shipwrecked, never found" in Indian Ocean. Served as doctor in British Army in India and Burma.

I can provide more specific info upon request. I'm specifically looking to see what became of all Charles Norvals above & Magdalene Howden.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Sean Drury
Thousand Oaks, CA