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Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

kericotton40 — 2012-04-12 01:38:15Z

Sorry they are long gone to another party. Good luck with your search

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

nanato3197 — 2012-04-11 02:37:51Z

Hi:

I'm so sorry that I did not get back to you about the documents. Have they gone to someone else or are they still available. I'd love to have them.

Dianne

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

nanato3197 — 2012-04-11 02:35:44Z

Have the documents been given to someone else? If not, I'd love to have them

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

nanato3197 — 2012-04-11 02:35:43Z

Have the documents been given to someone else? If not, I'd love to have them

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

treelady2 — 2011-09-23 11:26:39Z

Yes, the American Revolutionary War was over. Ft. St. John's, Quebec, was where many Loyalists went to stay after the war was over, waiting to be sent on to ON, where they would draw lots for land. There was a battle in Quebec in 1775, when the Americans tried to invade, but were driven off. As for the conflicting dates, I may have copied them down in the wrong order. :(

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

jwagar139 — 2011-09-23 04:59:14Z

Everhardt, after serving with Burgoyne's army, went to Ft. St. John's, Québec, where he was joined by his son Thomas on 14 June 1784, in Peter's Corps, King's Royal Regiment. He was an invalid in Yamachiche, Québec (1781-1784). On 31 May 1784, he and his son Thomas left to settle in Fredericksburgh Township, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario. Am not sure when another son William joined them in Fredericksburgh, but believe it was in 1784

I'm confused:I assume they were fighting in the American Revolutionary War. Was this war fought in Quebec? (Sorry, my being Canadian doesn't excuse ignorance!) Was the war over when they left in May to settle in Fredericksburg? If so, why would Thomas join him in Peter's Corps, King's Royal Regiment on 14 June 1784?

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

kericotton40 — 2011-04-10 10:52:07Z

I have them as the last person did not send me their address off this board. Happy to share them. Please send your address to tkcotton@msn.com and I will ship them off

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

stskgene — 2011-04-09 01:59:54Z

I believe the family I'm researching is decended from one of Mary (Parliament) Wager's children. If you still have the documents, I would appreciate a copy. I'm happy to share info.

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

kericotton40 — 2011-01-20 23:30:54Z

Dianne- Happy to send them, please reply off the board to tkcotton@msn.com
Would love any info you could share too as I am trying to figure out where my line fits in to which family. I know they do but just am missing some key pieces.

Re: Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

nanato3197 — 2011-01-20 01:15:56Z

I would love to have whatever documents you could provide as I am researching this family.

Thank you,

Dianne

Parliament Documents from Bay of Quinte Area

kericotton40 — 2010-12-11 18:11:00Z

I was inadvertantly researching the Parliament family whom I have now found out is not my line, I have some documents that I would be happy to send to a good home for anyone researching the family in the Bay of Quinte area.

Hunsberger

TMitchener7896 — 2009-05-10 18:40:27Z

Hunsberger family Wilmot Twp., Waterloo Co., Ontario.

Re: Johann Everhart Wager Fredericksburgh PE Co. Ontario

marlenerodgers194 — 2009-02-19 01:57:24Z

Lucy

You mentioned a Wager bible when you were replying to a Parliament query back in 2002, I am hoping to find a page from the Wager family bible showing the Children of Johann Everhart Wager and Magdalena CARVER giving birth or death dates. Anna Hannah Wager who married James Lindsay UE was my 5xgreat-grandmother. Do you have anything or know of where I could find something like that.

I am looking for proof of Anna Hannah's birth and that Johann Everhart Wager was her father.

Please feel free to contact me directly at marlene_rodgers@hotmail.com

Marlene

Re: David Parliament -- parents and siblings?

JPNY999 — 2007-09-26 13:58:20Z

Children of EDWARD PARLIMAN and JANE LEWIS:
Edward, John, Lewis, Martha, Sarah, William, Abraham, DAVID who married Eliz Fenner) and Mriah Jane.

Anna could be a daughter of Edward's siblings David's father):

Jacob, Johannes, Abraham or John whose parents were Johannes Parliman and Catrina VanSteenbergen

Good Luck in your search

Parliament

noela_v — 2006-11-13 03:05:49Z

Looking for information on Elizabeth Ann (Libby) Parliament born 1855 Ontario, Canada. married Robert MacKay. Lived in Wisconsin, Missouri, Michigan.

Re: Henry Parliament

2006-06-11 17:58:10Z

Hi Johanna ,
Yes we are distant cousins , The message boards have been so helpful in gathering information .
Just got a reply to an old 2000 message on my paternal side with lots of information also .
all is well down visiting with my son in North Carolina but back to NJ and searching tomorrow. Once you get going you get hooked . i have so much information and i have to get it all organized perhaps we can share notes but i do believe most of all I know came from you .
be well Carol
you can email me directly if you would like to

Re: Henry Parliament

2006-06-10 21:34:42Z

I just re read some postings today (2006)...how the years fly by! So if Henry Parliament was your great grandfather...we share great great grandparents: David and Elizabeth (Fenner) Parliament.

Now why didn't I get that back in 2004? Hope all is well

Henry Parliament

carolrush521 — 2006-05-22 22:52:05Z

My Greatmother Margaret A married Henry Parliament . Trying to find out Her maiden name . First heard she was probably Margaret A Hulmes But now i see someone posting Margaret Goble married to Henry. Does anyone have legal documentation? Both Margarets seem to be from the same time frame and area . Hulmes had a brother James Hudson and Goble had a relative Judson R from Ogdensburg . My Grandfather is Judson Parliament son of a Margaret and Henry any clearance on this matter would be much appreciated . I am thinking of riding to Sussex County and checking out the Parliament Line .as i am located in Union County
Thanks
Carol Rush
new email is brushcarol@aol.com

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

hornet32 — 2005-09-01 01:01:37Z

I have Mary Polly married to a ggggrandfather (or so) Thomas Wager and yes her daughter Christine born abt 1798 married a Benjamin Marsh and I have much of that line.(about 10 boys and a daughter) I don't know when the Wagers moved from Dutchess NY to Canada Let me know what you are interested in.

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

hornet32 — 2005-09-01 01:01:37Z

Thank you Lucille. I'll add Lany, (obviously a multi-grand aunt) to to my list Was her full name Elaine, do you know her birth date or any other info on her?

Do you have information on any of the other siblings of Thomas'

If you review the earlier correspondence on this line, you'll find some discrepancies between the info from coppereyes@yahoo.com and the others but I guess that is to be expec5ted.

Bill

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

hornet32 — 2005-09-01 01:01:37Z

Lucille. Sorry I didn't read your original message correctly. So I have the answers to my question.
I have record of an older sister Mary Magdelena b. Mar 8, 1787. The rest of the children I have as Elizabeth, Abby , Thomas, George, William, Jane,Irene, Christine, Susan, David and John. These are all listed in a family bible. Does that confuse the issue?

Bill

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

treelady2 — 2005-08-16 14:12:07Z

I am descended from Thomas Wager UE & (2) Polly Parliament. As for Thomas' father Everhardt:
On 20 June 1765, Everhardt leased land from Stephen VanRensselaer near Troy, New York. Stephen VanRensselaer later served in the American Revolutionary Army. Everhardt, after serving with Burgoyne's army, went to Ft. St. John's, Québec, where he was joined by his son Thomas on 14 June 1784, in Peter's Corps, King's Royal Regiment. He was an invalid in Yamachiche, Québec (1781-1784). On 31 May 1784, he and his son Thomas left to settle in Fredericksburgh Township, Lennox and Addington County, Ontario. Am not sure when another son William joined them in Fredericksburgh, but believe it was in 1784.
Thomas & Polly had 13 children, one of whom is not mentioned in Wager histories, but I have proved through baptism that Lany Wager who married Charles B. Hart, my gt.-gt-grandparents, was indeed their youngest daughter Magdalena (again), born 03 November 1811. Her daughter Lydia Margaret Hart was named after Lany's 2 elder sisters.
Lucy

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

treelady2 — 2005-08-16 14:12:07Z

Bill, Lany's nickname was short for Magdalena (again)--I presume she might have also been called Lena, but Lany is how she is named in family records. In the old Wagar bible, there is a very faint "L", right where she would be listed, between brothers John Wager & James Carscallen Wager, the two youngest sons. She was born 03 November 1811 in Fredericksburgh, which became North Fredericksburgh, but now is part of Napanee. Her parents' old farm was just in the next Concession from where I now live. As I am unsure of her husband's family, I only know that Charles Barnhart Hart was born in Fredericksburgh.

Thomas Wager UE other siblings were:
Catharina Waeger, born 27 November 1764, Dutchess County, NY; married Henrich Springer
Anna Waeger, born 30 January 1767, NY; married James Lindsay
Lena Waeger, born Abt. 1769, NY, died 05 January 1856, Washtenaw Co., Augusta Twp., Michigan, US; married Peter P. Haner
William Everhart Wager, Sr., UE, born 02 December 1771, Rensselaerwyck, NY, US, died 27 February 1867, South Fredericksburg Twp.,C2, L6, L&A Co., ON; married Elizabeth McCabe
Eberhard Waeger, born ca1774, NY

I haven't as yet looked at the earlier postings, but I do know there is always room for disagreements. Errors, like gremlins, do pop up no matter how hard one tries not to have them occur. ;)
Lucy

Re: PARLIAMENT, George c1750 NJ, USA

treelady2 — 2005-08-16 14:12:07Z

Bill, have done that myself, only part of a message making its way into my brain. :)
The 3 daughters you mention were by Deborah Embury, Thomas' 1st wife. There is an newspaper account of 2 daughters of Thomas Wager's drowning, no names, but I have wondered if Lany was named after one of them.
By (2) Polly were:
Thomas Jr., George F. Wager, Deborah Wager, William Wager, Susannah Wager, Lydia Wager, Margaret Wager, Christine Wager, Lorraine Wager, David Wager, John Wager, Magdalena (Lany) Wager & James Carscallen Wager. My father used to say Lany was one of 13 children which always made him shake his head as he was only one of 2, my mother an only child & I, one of 3.
Lucy

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

2005-04-06 20:26:03Z

Sussex County Marriage records are in place for David and Elizabeth's marriage and baptismal records for their childrens births as well as marriage records of their children.......

As for David and Elizabeths birth records - Orange Cnty (now Rockland Cnty NY) has records of their births and David's parentage being James Parleman and Anna with records in the DRC in Poughkeepsie showing James Parleman donating lathes of wood.

Beyond that - nothing. David nor his son Joseph or John were landowners and did not leave wills. David died in a mining accident at the age of 54 (a carter) and his son Joseph once a miner relocated to Yonkers in 1883 with his entire family where they remained until their deaths. Joseph and his wife Nancy Hammel were returned to Sparta NJ for burial but their descendents remained up to and including myself.

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

2005-04-06 20:06:54Z

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

Johnna_Parliament — 2005-04-06 18:53:43Z

Jacob McCloud married Anna Parliament my great great grandfather's (David Parliament) b 1803 sister

David McCloud married David Parliament and Elizabeth Fenner's daughter Emaline

Two different generations intermarried into the same families

Re: Henry Parliament

brushcarol1 — 2005-01-07 15:28:20Z

Hi Johnna,
I am smiling, happy to have it settled .I was following theHulmes line But was so disappointed when i saw the post with goble as i have no legal proof . i have found that margaret hulmes is the daughter of william and Frances Chamberlain
goes back 9 pedigrees on lds site .
the william at the cemetery was 8 and i imagine he was judsons brother named after his grandfather lucy must be a daughter also died giving birth. have to check the date on henry will try to get an obit on him next trip to the newark library.
thank you so much i am sure my mom would like to hear that her gram was margaret hulmes . she is 84 now and the last of her syblings i am searching my paternal roots also so my plate is full
carol

Re: Henry Parliament

brushcarol1 — 2005-01-07 15:28:20Z

HI JOHANNA
ON THE 1860 CENSUS
WILLIAM AND FRANCES(NEE )CHAMBERLAIN HULMES
DOVER NJ .WILLIAM A 39 ,FRANCES 41 ,MARGARET A16 ,NANCY I ,14 ,MARCUS 12 ,OPHELIA 10

OTHER BITS AND PIECES
FROM ONE GREAT FAMILY.COM
WILLIAM A HULMES 1821
WELDON ,JEFFERSON TWNSHP,NJ
DD 11 SEPT 11,1867
DP BERKSHIRE VALLEY , JEFFERSON ,NJ
MARRIED 6 OCT 1843

FRANCES CHAMBERLAIN
BD 19 FEB, 1820
BP .WELDON , MORRIS CTY,NJ
DD. 15 JAN. 1873
DP HOPATCONG,NJ

Re: Henry Parliament

brushcarol1 — 2005-01-07 15:28:20Z

HI JOHNNA,
I REALLY NOW NOTHING ABOUT JOSEPH JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN READING ONLINE , IF I COME ACROSS ANY INFO . I WILL EMAIL YOU . I AM HENRY'S GREAT GRANDAUGHTER THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE PASSED ALONG .I REALLY APPRECIATE IT HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY
CAROL

Jacobus

brushcarol1 — 2005-01-07 15:28:20Z

Looking for any information on Alexander Paxton Jacobus
from Middletown NY , wife Addie , sons Alex P Jr. and Charles I and daughter Lillian May Jacobus
THANK YOU

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

jparliament_1 — 2004-12-07 22:32:01Z

Having checked my records I would hope to clarify the children of David Parliament and Elizabeth Fenner wh were married in 1823 in Sussex Cnty NJ - both being born in NYS

Margaret (b 1826) m Henry Morgan 1842
Emeline (b 1828) m David McCloud 1842
John (b 1835 d 1908) m Mary Ann Murphy 1858
Joseph ( b 1837 d 1918) m Nancy Hammel 1864
Albert (b 1839 - d1896) m Ester Shoars
Henry (b 1841) m Margaret Goble
Mary ( 1843 - 1927) m Moses Green

This information has been gathered from birth, death, marriage and census records. I have never seen a Catherine (b 1822 - 1907) attributed to David and Elizabeth. Perhaps she was born before they wed?

Joseph and Nancy Hammel (Parliament) are my great grandparents. Nancy Hammel's mother was Phebe (Goble) Hammel and her grandmother Nancy Cary married a Captain Isaac Goble. Perhaps Henry married a descendent in his mothers line?
QUESTION: Have you ever heard of a Georgiana Parliament attributed to either John or Joseph Parliament being born 1859/60> A distant relative believes Joseph and Nancy Hammel had this child 4/5 years prior to their marriage! nancy was living with her father in the 1860 Census and it appears unlikely. I was thinking perhaps she is John and Mary Ann Murphy's daughter but she appears nowhere except in the 1870 census with Joseph and Mary Ann parliament (Nancy should be listed but isn't)but appears in the 1880 Census!
Another mystery.

Happy to share

Emma (1845

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

2004-12-04 07:08:40Z

You're quite welcome for the help with the Green family connection, Johnna!

All of the research I have done, including (as documentation) the 1850 Census enumeration for Hardyston Twp., New Jersey [pg. 153], indicates that the name of Emeline Parliament's husband was DAVID McCloud.

How many other McCloud descendants thought that Emeline's husband was named Jacob? Is it just one, or were there several? If you could put me in contact with other McCloud researchers so that they and I could compare findings, I would certainly appreciate it.

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

jparliament_1 — 2004-12-03 20:02:59Z

Thank you for the help with the Green family connection.

Other descendants of the McCloud family seem to think his name was Jacob - not David.....thus the reference to it. All of my notes have this ancestor listed as David.

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

2004-12-03 19:22:55Z

Johnna,
I'm requoting your question in my response:

"I am descended from their son Joseph who married Nancy Hammel...and which sibling are you descended from?"

If you take a careful look at Kelly's message -- she states as follows (copied and pasted):

Mary Parliament (1846-1927) married Moses Green (1844-1913) my line

So, Kelly is descended from Mary Parliament and Moses Green.

In another response on the Ancestry message boards, in response to my posting about Jacob McCloud of Orange County, NY [ http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=an&p... ] regarding Emeline Parliament's husband, you say:

"My great great grandparents David parliament and Elizabeth Fenner Parliament originated from Orange County NY and married in Sussex County NJ in 1823. One of their daughters Emeline Parliament (1828-1908) married David McCloud (although the name David is questionable)."

Can you tell us why you feel that the name David is questionable? If his name isn't David, what do you believe that it might be?

Thanks for your help --

Debbie

Re: David Parliament -- parents and siblings?

2004-12-01 20:25:38Z

Anna is probably Davids sister...David and Eliz Fenner Parliament were my great great grandparents..all the informtion I have is that David's parents were James and Aimee Parliament...how they connect back to the other Parliaments/Parlimans I don't know. WOuld love to share informtion

Re: Henry Parliament

jparliament_1 — 2004-11-22 14:42:58Z

Henry and Joseph were brothers...Henry being your great grandfather and Joseph being mine. So we are the great great grandaughters of David Parliament and Elizabeth Fenner Parliament! Isn't the internet wonderful!

Happy Thanksgiving!.

Re: Henry Parliament

jparliament_1 — 2004-11-19 18:45:54Z

Sorry about that..I meant Henry's brothers Josephs information (I am his great granddaughter)..not you ancestor Margaret's. Oops.

By the way...did you know that Margaret and her sister Emmaline married their spouses in a double ceremony in 1864. Emmaline married a David McCloud!

Re: Henry Parliament

jparliament_1 — 2004-11-19 18:26:25Z

Thank you so much for the information. I will add it to the "Tree". If you would like Margarets sibling's information - JOSEPH PARLIAMENT/NANCY HAMMEL and her neices and nephews I'II post it for you or send it to you by email

Re: Henry Parliament

jparliament_1 — 2004-11-17 14:54:48Z

Glad to have cleared that up for you and to have met someone who shares direct ancestors with me Eliz and David!

Tell me how Margaret Hulmes is the daughter of a Chamberlain?

I would love to have the pedigree of your line through Margaret

Re: Henry Parliament

jparliament_1 — 2004-11-16 22:34:41Z

Kelly Little posted misinformation 14 Feb 2004. There is a connection between the PARLIAMENT/GOBLE surnames but not the one she mentioned.Your great grandparents were MARGARET HULMES and HENRY PARLEMAN (spelling of the Parliament surname varies). Their marriage is recorded in Sussex County Marriage Books as taking place 2 Dec 1864. Henry was born abt 1841 to ELIZABETH FENNER and DAVID PARLEMAN. David b 1803 Orange Cnty NY and Elizabeth b 1806 Orange County NY - married 14 Feb 1823 Sussex Co NJ. Their children and spouses were:

John Parleman (b 1836 - d 1908) m Mary Murphy 13 Dec 1858 Sussex Cnty NY Civile War Veteran

Joseph Parleman (b 1837 - d 1918) m Nancy Hammel 25 Dec 1864 Sussex County NY. Both are buried at Sparta Cemetery and our my great grandparents.

Albert Parleman (b 1838 - 1892) m Ester Shoars 24 Dec 1853 Sussex NJ

HENRY PARLEMAN (b 1841 - ?) m MARGARET HULMES 2 Dec 1864 Sussex Co NJ

Mary Parleman (b 1846 - 1927 )m Moses Green (1844 - 1913)

Emmaline Parleman (b 1845 - ) m David McCloud

Our great great grandparents David and Elizabeth (Fenner) Parlemen were their parents. David died in a mining accident in 1854

As for the Parleman (Parliament) Goble connection:
Isaac Cary m Martha Oakley
son Isaac Cary m Eunice Beardslee
daughter Nancy Carey m Isaac Goble
daughter Phebe Goble m John Hammel
daughter Nancy Hammel m Joseph Parliament

Love to correspond

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

jparliament_1 — 2004-10-12 18:46:50Z

I am descended from Davids's son Joseph who married ELiz Fenner...and which sibling are you descended from?

Re: David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

jparliament_1 — 2004-10-12 18:45:15Z

I am descended from their son Joseph who married Nancy Hammel...and which sibling are you descended from?

PARLIAMENT/FENNER/HAMEL/PAINE

jparliament_1 — 2004-10-12 18:42:33Z

Direct descendent of David Parliament and Elizabeth Fenner born in Orange Cnty NY (now Rockland) married Dec 1823 in Sussex NJ. David's parents are presumed to be James Parliament and Aimee. Elizabeths parents are Thomas Fenner (Canterbury England) and Anna Paine

James Rose & Emma Parliment - Rockland Cnty, NY

Brenda1325 — 2004-08-11 14:33:35Z

I just recently discovered Emma Parliament as a relative.

3. Emma2 Parliament (William1)3,4,5 was born 11 May 1903 in Sloatsburg, Rockland Co, NY6, and died 11 March 1997 in Winchester, VA6. She married James J. Rose, Sr.6,7,8, son of Joseph Rose and Arminda Youmans. He was born 09 March 1903 in Monroe, Orange Co, NY9, and died 25 April 1990 in Suffern, Rockland Co, NY9

I'm primarily looking for information on her (Emma's) ancestors if anyone can help me....

William Parliament 04-19-1876 - 04-08-1950

Brenda1325 — 2004-08-07 02:21:07Z

I am searching for any information on William Parliament. The only information i have is that he married Grace Sears and they had at least one daughter Lydia Frances.

The rest of the family derives from the NJ, NY, PA area. Not sure if that is where they lived as well.

Re: David Parliament -- parents and siblings?

2004-03-12 20:45:00Z

Hi Kelly,
Do you have any information regarding David Parliament's siblings or parents? My great-great-great-grandmother, Anna Parliman or Parliment, was born ca. 1806 in either New York or New Jersey. She was married in Snufftown (modern-day Stockholm), Hardyston Twp., Sussex County, New Jersey on 13 January 1826, to Jacob McCloud. The marriage was performed by a justice of the peace, Samuel Keeler.

She is of the right age to be David's sister, but I don't know who her parents or siblings were. However, because I find your ancestor David 'Parliment' listed in the census in that same New Jersey county and township in 1830, 1840, and 1850, and because Anna's marriage was within three years of David's marriage to Elizabeth Fenner (on 14 February 1823, also in Sussex County) -- the likelihood of some familial relationship seems very high.

Thanks in advance for your response!

Debbie

David Parliament/Elizabeth Fenner

Little3_ — 2004-02-14 17:41:47Z

I am a descedent of David Parliament born in 1804. He married Elizabeth Fenner (1807-1876). They had 11 children:

Mary Parliament (1846-1927) married Moses Green (1844-1913) my line
Emeline Parliament (1828-1908) married David O. McCloud
John Parliament (1833-?) married Mary Ann? with one child, Elizabeth
Joseph Parliament (1836-?) married Nancy Hammell (?) had 7 children
Catherine Parliament (1822-1907) married B. Davenport (?) had 11 children
Margaret Parliament (1926-?) married Henry Engram (?) had 7 children
Elizabeth Parliament (1831-?) married James (?) had 8 children
Jacob Parliament (1846-?)
Jane Parliament (?-1831)
Albert Parliament (?) married Ester Shoners (?) had 2 children
Henry Parliament (?) married Margaret Goble (?) had 5 children
I have most of the childrens' names...but there are always holes to be filled in. I live in the same area some of the Parliaments settled in, Sussex County, NJ.

Re: Polly Parliament

Parliament99 — 2003-05-17 15:42:24Z

I am one of the Parliaments in Canada but not a decendant of polly's family. I come down one of the other sides of the tree. I have met a Darrell Wager spelt differently the the wagar that married polly but he is a decendent of this line and I have some info from hm on it if you wish it

PARLIAMENT/HAMMEL

2003-01-16 22:12:05Z

Any information on the above surnames as well as Murphy, Maryann......