Pate - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Pate indian connection

1_catcher76 — 2012-05-22 21:58:02Z

Terri,

I'm trying to reach you by e-mail. I will watch these threads in the event you reply back.

Re: Frank Contu Pate/Lela Joyce Pate/Julia Bernice Pate

1_catcher76 — 2012-05-22 21:47:24Z

Are we talking about the same Pate/Conto families? Note it says JT Pate for James Thurman Pate

Re: Frank Contu Pate/Lela Joyce Pate/Julia Bernice Pate

1_catcher76 — 2012-05-22 21:43:43Z

Wait a minute... According to my copy of an 1870 Census in Nacogdoches, Her name is Julia A Jones. What happened?

Re: Robert Lee Pate Kentucky/Illinois

patejm — 2012-05-16 05:42:42Z

Robert Pate married Vera (Clyde) Mahan in Posey County, Indiana 19 July 1917. See Posey County, IN Marriage records - Book C16, Page 365

In the 1920 census of Saline County, Illinois, Vera Pate 23 and her daughter Helen L Pate 2, were enumerated in the house hold of Allie B Mahan 58, apparently Vera's mother.
Eldorado Township, Enumeration District 119, sheet 5, site 120/125. In 1930 census of Saline Co., IL
Eldorado Township, Enum Dist83-7, sheet 2B, site 59/53
Allie Mahan - 68 Head widow
Vera Pate - 33 Dau widow
Helen Pate - 12 G/dau
Wilma Pate - 10 G/dau
Charles Pate - 8 G/son
Clyde Pate - 5 G/son
Troy Pate - 3 G/son
1312 Lincoln Street

Sorry for the misinformation earlier.

Re: Robert Lee Pate Kentucky/Illinois

LesaStarnes75 — 2012-05-13 05:55:28Z

Do you have any more information on this family? It would help alot. Thank You
Lesa Starnes
lesa33us@yahoo.com

The Ancient Pate Surname in England

a12j02 — 2012-05-06 00:47:09Z

In the course of research for a paper I wrote on Sir John Pate and for revisions to the genealogy of the Pate family in Leicestershire, I came across a great deal of information about Pate surnames over the past more than 800 years. Such a wealth of information about people carrying our surname is remarkable, and we are fortunate that it is available.

The origin and adoption of surnames in England are hard to discern in the mists of time, but I will give a brief summary here to put my research in perspective. I took my facts from what I considered to be the most reliable sources, but there are wide opinions on the subject. I make no claims that my summary is authoritative, but as factual as possible.

Surnames first appeared in England on a very limited basis, perhaps following the Norman Conquest of 1066. Their initial use was basically limited to royalty and the aristocracy, and this generally held true for those classes plus the addition of wealthy landowners through the 1200s. This was a very slow process driven by personal choices and need rather than by law. Few commoners had surnames before the mid-1300s.

I have included all the documented Pate names that I could locate for the 1200s through the 1400s on this list. By the 1500s, we are able to begin placing persons within Pate family lines, particularly in Leicestershire and Gloucestershire. I will post a separate list of Pate names for the 1500s, which will only include persons not readily identifiable to families in those two locations.

Leicestershire appears in these lists frequently. These were likely ancestors of the prominent Pate family which is well-defined by the 1500s.

By the 1500s, we are able to begin placing persons within Pate family lines, particularly in Leicestershire and Gloucestershire. The list of Pate names for the 1500s only includes persons not readily identifiable to families with origins in those two locations. The 1500s include Pate surnames in Wales and Scotland, the first located outside of England. It is assumed that these were migrations from England.

In reviewing these lists, you will notice how few Pate names are posted in the last half of the 1300s, perhaps only three different men. This is no mere coincidence, but resulting from the horrible Black Plague (bubonic) which ravaged England in 1348-49 and again in 1361-62. In the earlier plague, it is estimated that one-third to one-half of England’s population died, and, in the second plague, another twenty percent of those remaining died. Some small villages were completely wiped out. Even by the 1400s, there were not as many Pate names as in the 1200s.

A. J. Pate

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13th Century

c.1200 Richard Pate, landowner, Bramford, Suffolk County
1210 Bernard Pate and daughter Juliana, Nottinghamshire
1218 Richard Pate, chancery patent rolls
1229 Edward Pate and John Pate, chancery patent rolls
1251 Osbert Pate, member of inquisition, Staffordshire
1255 Walter Pate of Pilton, Northhamptonshire Eyre
1257 George Pate, chancery patent rolls
1261 John and Joan Pate, grants of real estate, Somerset County
1275 Alice Pate, landowner, Staffordshire
c.1280 Gilbert Pate, witness on gift of land, Staffordshire
1280 Simon Pate, mentioned in petition to king, Northhamptonshire
1294 William Pate, Ralph Pate and sons John and Richard (John shipmaster of La Cog St. Edward),
residents of Winchelsea, Sussex County; King Edward I sailed in John Pate’s ship to battle with France

14th Century

1301 Alexander Pate and William Pate, Litchborough, Northhamptonshire
1301 Ralph Pate, tax assessment, Aldwyncle, Northhamptonshire
1305 John Pate and wife Emery of Evesham, grant of house, Worcestershire
c.1310 Pate family estate, Pate’s-wick (now Pattiswick), Essex County
1318 Lord William Pate de Kyrkeby, landowner, Medbourne, Leicestershire
1322 Roger Pate, sergeant for Queen Isabella for her bakery (through 1330)
1324 Henry Pate, Lanacaster County
1326 William Pate, shipmaster of La Edward with 45 mariners, Winchelsea, Sussex County
1327 Hugone (Hugh?) Pate, Exchequer lay subsidy roll, Leicestershire
1351 John Pate of Colewall, gift of land, Herefordshire
1376 John Pate, landowner, Istelworth, Middlesex County
1381 Hugh Pate and Robert Pate of Seusterne (Sewstern), witnesses to land deal, Leicestershire
1393 Hugh Pate, landowner Buckminster, Leicestershire

15th Century

1403 John Pate and wife Juliana, owned manor in East Bedfont, Middlesex County
1413 Thomas Pate, chaplain, received gift in will
1414 Thomas Pate, milner, Town of York, Yorkshire
1416 William Pate, Seusterne, Leicestershire
1433 Thomas Pate, witness to will, Cornwall County
1463 Beatrice Pate, landowner, Westminster, Lincolnshire
1467 Thomas Pate, witness to land grant, Coventry, Warwickshire
1473 John Pate of Seusterne, clerk, grant of real estate, Leicestershire
c.1480 Richard Pate of London, wife Margaret and son John, waxchandler, filed suit
1480 John Pate of Seusterne, granted land in Lincolnshire
1496 Willelmus (William) Pate, laborer, Yorkshire
1498 Thomas Pate, sherman, Yorkshire

16th Century

1501 Richard Pate, skinner, Chester, Cheshire County
1504 Thomas Pate, landowner, Surrey County
1505 John Pate of Shillington, left will, Bedfordshire
1506 John Pate of St. Thomas of Acres, left will, London
1508 Jankyn Pate and mother Alice and Richard Pate, Holt, Denbigh County, Wales
1508 Alexander Pate, wife Janet Nicolson, Canon of St. Andrews Church, Scotland
1509 John Pate, groom of the wardrobe for Henry VIII; from 1509 to 1532, king granted him many houses and lands
c.1510 Thomas Pate, juror on numerous inquests, Wimbledon Common, Surrey County
1520 John Pate of Henley-on-Thames and Blackfriars, left will, London
1523 Thomas Pate, witness on will, Surrey County
1529 Randulus Pate, married Margareta Arrington, Elsworth, Cambridgeshire
1530 Thomas Pate, donated tenement to Exeter College of Oxford University; heir of Richard Pate, bedell (administrative assistant) of Oxford University
1537 Wodkoka Pate, landowner, Herefordshire
1547 Thomas Pate, born 1547, wife Martha, mayor of Holt in 1618, Denbigh County, Wales
1562 William Pate, Holt, Denbigh County, Wales
1566 Ricus (Richard) Pate, armiger, justice of the peace (through 1582), Montgomeryshire
1577 Thomas Pate, sherman, Chester, Cheshire County

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Notes:

I have omitted the source documents on the above lists. However, they could be provided if there is a need for any of them.

I have often seen this, or some variant, quoted (usually on a commercial website):
“The [Pate] surname dates back to the early 12th Century. Further recordings include Osbert Pate (1196),
the Pipe Rolls of Berkshire, and Walter Patte (1273), the Hundred Rolls of Cambridgeshire . . . The first recorded
spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Aluric Pate which was dated circa 1100 - 1130, "Old English
Bynames, Devonshire", during the reign of King Henry 1st . . .”

I have searched in vain to confirm any of these men as indicated, although I did find Osbert Pate in 1251,
possibly the same man. If anyone can cite a source (document name, page number, etc.) where any of these men
could be found, I would like to see it so they can be added to the above lists.

Melton Mowbray, UK: Pate history and research

a12j02 — 2012-05-05 15:46:06Z

I gathered this information for a person planning a trip to Leicestershire who was interested in their Pate heritage. I am posting it here for the benefit of anyone else who may be planning a similar trip.

The Pate family had manors in Sysonby and Eye Kettleby, villages each about one mile from the town of Melton Mowbray.

The prime location to find tangible reminders of this Pate family are in St. Mary’s Church in Melton Mowbray. There are several other areas of interest. Unfortunately, there may be few opportunities for research, but I will suggest a few possibilities that could be worthwhile to check.

ST. MARY’S CHURCH, MELTON MOWBRAY

There are five items of particular interest to the Pate family:

-- The monumental inscription for Edward and Katherine Pate. This is described in the following extracts from The History and Antiquities of the County of Leicester, by John Nichols, Vol. I, Part II, 1795, appendix, page 130: “Mr. Wyrley in 1603, found the following epitaph in Melton Mowbray church . . . . Over, upon the wall: Arms: Argent three r’s Sable. Crest, a bird volant; but, looking backwards . . .” This is followed by the Latin inscription. Joel Pate and I collaborated on the translation of this inscription, and we feel it is about 90% accurate. It has been posted on the Listserve. No further description is given of this inscription’s location in the church.

-- The tomb of Edward and Katherine Pate. Jinks Pate-Lee visited this church and reported the following: “Edward Pate [c.1530-1597] and wife, Katherine [c.1530-1593] are buried in the floor of the church at Melton Mowbray. At the bottom of their tombs are the likenesses of 11 children, male and female, supposedly their children.” There is a very nice photo of this “incised ledger slab carving” at this link: http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/midlands/mspage25.htm Scroll about halfway down the page. This is definitely Edward and Katherine Pate. They had eleven children and the carving even presents them in the right male/female birth order. Refer to the genealogy I recently prepared on this family and posted on the Listserve. This link also shows some nice photos of St. Mary’s Church.

-- The monumental inscription for Sir John and Elizabeth Pate. In the book by John Nichols previously cited, Vol. II, Part I, 1795, p. 253, this is the description: “In the South transept, now called 'The Old Chancel', formerly a separate chapel, on a mural alabaster monument are these arms: On a wreath, Argent, three text r's Sable; Pate; impaling, Barry of eight, Argent and Gules per pale countercharged, in chief a greyhound currant, Sable, Skipworth. Crest, a stag's head caboshed, Or; a raven reguardant, with wings expanded, Sable.” The Latin inscription follows. This inscription was also translated by Joel Pate and me, and posted on the Listserve. Elizabeth was buried here, but Sir John was buried in London, as noted on the inscription.

-- The monumental inscription for Lady Abigail Pate Smith. In the book by John Nichols previously cited, Vol. II, Part I, 1795, p. 253, this is the location: “Near this [the inscription for Sir John and Elizabeth], on another mural alabaster monument” is the Latin inscription for her tomb. This inscription remains untranslated. Lady Smith was the elder daughter of Sir John and Elizabeth and was married to Sir Thomas Smith, Baronet, who died in 1675. After his death, she returned to live in her family’s manor house at Sysonby in 1681 where she died in 1691.

-- A silver flagon donated to the church by Lady Abigail Pate Smith. This flagon is described in Transactions of the Leicestershire Architectural and Archaeological Society, Volume 4, 1878: “The flagon has engraved on it the following arms: Smith of Hatherton ... Smith of Cuerdley. In the midst of an escutcheon of pretense, argent three text, R.S. sable (Pate of Sysonby) (Smith of Hough). Under the arms is the inscription: ‘Pietas nunquam moritur. The gift of the Lady Smith of Sisonby.’” Jinks Pate-Lee apparently did not see the flagon, but wrote: “The friend of mine who lived in England made an appointment, and they brought it out of lock and key and let him photograph it.” A flagon is defined as a large vessel or container, but I have not seen a description of the one donated to St. Mary’s.

THE PATE MANOR HOUSES AT EYE KETTLEBY AND SYSONBY

These manor houses came into the possession of the Pate family in the late 1500s, apparently granted to Edward Pate (died 1593) by Queen Elizabeth. The Sysonby estate had about 350 acres, and Eye Kettleby had about 800 acres, or possibly only 85 (unclear from sources).

From "Transactions of the Leicestershire Architectural and Archaeological Society, Volume 4, 1878: “At Eye-Kettleby the water-mill is . . . still standing, and is the only memento left of the residence of the Pates. . . . On a panel within the watermill at Eye Kettleby are the initials H.P.B., undoubtedly the initials of Henry Pate, son of Edward the grantor under the inventory and his wife. Again we find the initials and date 1601, being those of Edward Pate, E .P.” Since this was written in 1878, there will likely be nothing remaining.

Though it is assumed that Sir John Pate inherited both houses, he is usually referred to as Sir John Pate of Sysonby. The manor house appears to be named the Grange or Hall-house.

From The Story of Melton Mowbray, 1979, Phillip E. Hunt: “Towards the end of the 18th century the old manor house was pulled down by an architect and builder of the district, one Christopher Staveley, and it is said that stones were used to build or improve several of the hunting lodges in the town for example Egerton Lodge and the Old Club in Burton Street. Part of the grounds of the present Riverside Farm were originally the gardens of the old Grange, some ancient yew trees by the side of the river being the last visible remains of this garden, where so tradition tells us, there once was a pit for cock fighting."

From Transactions of the Leicestershire Architectural and Archaeological Society, Volume 4, 1878: “A visit to Sysonby now reveals a few meagre remains of the residence of the Pates standing on the banks of the River Eye, and now converted into a farm house. An avenue of yew trees of considerable age affords shelter and shows the site of the gardens of the old mansion. Close by stands the very small chapel which contains no memorials of the residents in the Grange . . .” Keep in mind that this was written in 1878. However, it is interesting that both mention yew trees, though written 100 years apart.

From the research I have done, here are my best guesses for the approximate locations of the manor houses in Eye Kettleby and Sysonby.

Sysonby is about one mile west of Melton Mowbray, located on the north side of the Eye River. Take the Asfordby Road (A6006) out of Melton, then south on Riverside Road. Somewhere along that road should be the location, probably on the highest ground in the area.

From the above-referenced Transactions, it is written (in 1878) that the water-mill of Eye Kettleby and a house called Guadaloupe could be seen on the right hand from the Syston and Peterborough railway line as the train approaches Melton from Leicester. To get to the location, take the Leicester Road (A607) southwest out of Melton about one mile. Look for a right turn to Guadaloupe House. That should be the vicinity. Do not confuse this with a lodging place called Old Guadaloupe Farm House, which is south of Leicester Road.

POSSIBLE AREAS OF RESEARCH

-- The papers of Christopher Staveley, who is mentioned above, could contain a lot of information about the Pate manor houses which he had purchased, if they can be located. Since he was a locally famous architect, builder, and sculptor, surely he made drawings of the manor houses before destroying them. Perhaps he also had to provide plans to the county or city regarding the disposition of the old houses. A local historical society might be able to provide this information. It is interesting that I found an ad placed by Staveley in 1766 in a Leicester paper selling different construction materials “at Sysonby-Hall . . . (now taking down)”. See below for further information on searching records.

-- Research of the papers of Dr. Morris Colles, vicar of the Melton church in the 1880s, could be very revealing if they still exist. This is likely since his son was a literary agent. In letters to the Pate family dated in 1886, he wrote: "I made quite a discovery here on the Pate family.” And “. . . I can tell you a long and strange story about [the inscription on the Pate memorial in the church]."

-- In both cases above, inquiries could be made regarding the contact of living descendants of the two men, who may possess their papers or know where they are located.

SEARCHING PUBLIC RECORDS

All the information in this section was provided by Dr. John Dawson, an English genealogist I have recently met. If anyone should need the services of a professional genealogist in England, I highly recommend Dr. Dawson.

Melton Mowbray's documents should all be in the Leicestershire archives. The Record Office that deals with Leicestershire, Leicester, and Rutland is in Wigston, on the south-east edge of Leicester city. It is possible to travel from Melton Mowbray to Leicester by train or bus, then either a bus or a taxi would be needed to get out to Wigston.

Its website is http://www.leics.gov.uk/recordoffice which shows its location and opening times, etc. Looking at their online catalogue, it seems that not much of their material has yet been catalogued online, let alone put online. A CARN card is needed to visit the archive, but that is free of charge. She would need photographic evidence of identity and, if possible, evidence of where she is staying.

There the records could be browsed with the help of skilled staff. In addition to searching for the papers of Staveley and Dr. Colles and documents relating to them and the Pate family, it may be worthwhile looking at Boyd's marriage index (1651-1725) and perhaps Pallot's marriage index (1790-1812) for relevant surnames.

GENERAL ITEMS

It is recommended that an email be sent to the rector of St. Mary’s Church to request an appointment to see the Pate tombs and the flagon. I understand from another person who has visited the church that a donation may be requested to uncover the tombstones and perhaps display the flagon. The rector is Rev. Kevin Ashby at rector@meltonparish.org.uk

St. Mary’s is a beautiful and impressive historic church, construction beginning in the 1100s, which is worth a visit on its own merits. Read its entry on Wikipedia.

This link shows some historical locations nearby: http://eyekettlebylakes.com/local_culture.php Of particular interest may be Belvoir Castle about 15 miles from Melton. During the English Civil War, Sir John Pate signed the Articles for the Surrender of Belvoir Castle for the Royalist army in January 1645. He apparently was a great negotiator, because the surrender terms were very favorable for defeated forces, considering that the war had not yet ended.

I also recommend reading Transactions of the Leicestershire Architectural and Archaeological Society, Volume 4, 1878, for background. It can be found on the Internet.

There is a posting on the Genforum for the Pate surname which contains excerpts from two books on Melton Mowbray. The link is http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.pate/1277/mb.ashx under the subject of “Pates of Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, UK”. The quotes are from The Story of Melton Mowbray, 1979, Phillip E. Hunt, noted above, and St. Mary's Parish Church Melton Mowbray (A Miscellany) by Gilbert M. King. The latter book contains the following information: “All that is left of the village of Sysonby is the Riverside farm and the church. The Town Estate golf course is on the site of the deserted medieval village.” Some of the Pate information is incorrect. These books can be ordered from www.bookfinder.com or www.reprintuk.com/books

There is an excellent map which shows a walking tour of Melton and its various landmarks at this link: http://www.leics.gov.uk/meltonmuseum At the bottom of the page, click on “Melton Heritage Trail”. Egerton Lodge and the Old Club, mentioned above, are shown on this map.

As a curiosity, in the Melton area, there are roads with the following names: Pate Road, Sysonby Grange Lane, and Staveley Road.

If anyone has further information or corrections to the above, please post on this forum.

A. J. Pate
Houston, Texas

Melton Mowbray, UK: Pate history and research

a12j02 — 2012-05-05 15:43:08Z

Re: Pates of Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, UK

a12j02 — 2012-04-30 13:42:34Z

Cynthia,

I really appreciate you posting this information, and thanks to your mother for making it available.

It was very thoughtful for you to take the time to retype these passages from the books.

I am passing your message on to someone planning a trip to Leicestershire.

Another excellent source to obtain copies of the books your mother purchased is www.bookfinder.com.

In case you and/or your mother may be interested, I have recently updated a genealogy for the Leicester Pate family beginning in the late 1500s. I also recently prepared what I believe to be the most comprehensive information ever compiled on Sir John Pate. Please send me an email if you would like to have copies.

Thanks again for the information. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

A. J. Pate
Group Administrator
Pate DNA Project

William Thomas Pate b.1831, GA son of Samuel Pate b. abt 1780/1790

DanFranklin48 — 2012-04-18 19:36:31Z

I have started to write a book on the Descendants of William Thomas Pate b.1831 GA and his wife Mary Ann Rains. He was the son of Samuel Pate b.1780/1790; d.abt 1848, Twiggs Co, GA.

I have collected information on this family for about 20 years, but putting it together in a book form is big project. I have done the same with several other of my lines and know how much is involved.

Appreciate any contact with other members of the family interested in this. You can e-mail me directly at DanRFranklin@yahoo.com

Dan Franklin

PATE James Thomas 1950 1989

t42Restland — 2012-04-10 15:00:08Z

PATE James Thomas 1950 1989

DaveStrickland photographed this gravestone in the Restland Cemetery, Dallas Co, Texas . Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 226,624 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Dallas), cemetery(Restland user submitted) and Surname.
If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely "not my family".

PATE Marlon C 1951 1993 beloved son and brother

t42Restland — 2012-04-09 12:35:15Z

PATE Marlon C 1951 1993 beloved son and brother

DaveStrickland photographed this gravestone in the Restland Cemetery, Dallas Co, Texas . Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 226,624 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com where they are listed in order by state(Texas), county(Dallas), cemetery(Restland user submitted) and Surname.
If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely "not my family".

Just another Pate, looking for some relatives

laurapate12 — 2012-04-07 17:41:01Z

I stem from Harold Franklin Pate who used to live in England. His father died when Harold was very young. He lived with his mother and older sister until he moved out at the age of 15. He married Louise and had 3 children: Annita, Raymond, and Connie. I'm under my father, Raymond Anthony Pate.

Re: Pate Family Reunion in SC

floridaboy25 — 2012-04-04 18:52:01Z

I would like to know if this group of Pates are related to the Pates that were in Butler County, Alabama from about 1840 to 1860.

Re: Elijah Pate

floridaboy25 — 2012-04-04 18:36:39Z

Thank you for the information. I would like to know if you have any new information about the family. If so,please give me a call at 251-209-6695.

Re: Abimelec Pate

floridaboy25 — 2012-04-04 18:16:27Z

I hope you are doing alright Lloyd. I am always happy to find a relative that I only read about. Elijah Pate was my ancestor. I hope to hear from you soon. My name is Howard Rankin. I live in Mobile,Alabsma.My phone number is 251-209-6695.

Re: Pate/Florida

floridaboy25 — 2012-03-26 18:48:42Z

I have connections with these Pates. Please call or text me at 251-209-6695. Please leave a message. I will get back with you.

Re: fl. pate's

floridaboy25 — 2012-03-26 18:44:41Z

I am a Pate descendant from Mobile by way of Pensacola. I would like to share information. Please call and leave a message if I am busy at the time. My cell number is 251-209-6695.

Inquiry on Pates family in England or US

a12j02 — 2012-03-24 15:12:24Z

I have recently exchanged emails with a man who lives in Gloucester UK. He is researching the Pates family in the UK.

If any of you have found during your research any information about the family surname of Pates, particularly if they have origins in Charlton Kings, Cheltenham, UK, then please post it here, and I will forward to him.

As you all likely know, we are currently unable to make direct connections from our major Pate lines back to their ancestors in England. UK members could help provide this vital information.

Our list of “Famous Pates” (which has been posted here) includes the two distinguished Pate’s from Gloucestershire. Jerry claims kinship to both. It is unknown at this time whether there is any kinship between the Gloucester and Leicester Pate families. With DNA from each of these three family lines, these connections could be proven definitively, as well as proving kinship back to the family lines in the U. S.

I feel certain that Pates is simply a variation of the Pate surname. In records concerning the two famous Pate men in Gloucester, both surnames are used, though Pate is the most common.

The inquirer wrote: “I live in Gloucester, UK and am about a 10 minute walk from the house Richard [the philanthropist] had built in Matson, now part of Gloucester. Our family has been in Gloucestershire since 1400 and remained, mainly, in Charlton Kings outside of Cheltenham until my Great Grandfather, Joseph came to Gloucester in search of work.”

If anyone needs to correspond directly with him, contact me by email, and I will provide his email address.

A. J. Pate
Group Administrator
Pate DNA Project

Re: Pate

patejh1 — 2012-03-22 20:15:56Z

Vera,

I believe you and I have spoken on the phone before. My grandfather was Charles Mahan Pate and grandmother is Bessie Jean Pate of Harrison Twp, MI.

I recently found more info on Robert Lee Pate.

Father: Walter Pate (KY)
Mother: Elizabeth Hunter (NC)

That should open up some doors for you.

Re: Robert Lee Pate Kentucky/Illinois

patejh1 — 2012-03-22 20:12:36Z

Lesa,

My name is Jonathon Pate. Charles Mahan Pate was my grandfather (Troy's brother). Robert Lee Pate was his father and Vera Clyde Mahan was his mother.

Looking over the information online, I determined that Robert Lee often went by "Roby" on the US Census. Knowing this, I then found his father Walter Pate and mother Elizabeth Hunter. The trail goes very deep (given the info is accurate).

I hope this information helps. In contrast to the other posts, I believe this is the Pate line you're looking for.

Re: George Pate of Washington Co, IL

carol413_1 — 2012-03-16 23:59:31Z

Would you believe I am still looking for a connection for my Jesse Pate! He married Loucretia Pate in Macon Co in 1836. Her line I have, but his stops with Jesse. Darn!

I am still looking for his father and hoped there was a naming pattern involved which might lead me to them. Son, George Washington Pate and daughter Lorinda Pate. Darn again!

Thanks for your reply.

Re: Brick Walls M44

jfleye — 2012-03-16 20:31:10Z

Mathew John Pate is the son of Mathew John Pate(store keeper in Irvington ill.

Re: George Pate of Washington Co, IL

jfleye — 2012-03-16 20:26:56Z

GEORGE, LEWIS AND MATTHEW ARE BROTHERS AND SONS OF MATTHEW(MATHEW) PATE. JAMES BURNS WAS THE BROTHER OF WILLIAM BURNS M.D. OF WASHINGTON,COUNTY, ILLINOIS. JEREMIAH DOES NOT APPEAR IN ANY OF MY RECORDS.
JOHN TAYLOR(GREAT GRANDSON OF MATHEW PATE.

Ira John Pate B:1847 Virginia Lived in Clairborne County TN

Travelpro1940 — 2012-03-08 09:12:25Z

I am trying to find out if I connect this Ira John Pate to Kentucky between the years of 1872 - 1888. Especially connected to the Harrison County/Bourbon County KY area. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Re: W. J. Pate and son killed in Georgia Train Wreck 1900

pate_tom — 2012-03-01 21:49:42Z

The W.J. Pate killed in the McDonough GA train wreck of 1900 was William J. Pate age about 43. His son was named Jesse. I am the great grandson of W.J.Pate. You say Jesse was found on your parents land. What more do you know? The two of them are allegedly buried in the Oak Hill Cemetery in Griffin GA.

Re: Samuel Pate m. Carrie Reffett (Harrison Co. KY)

Lindylou2012 — 2012-02-20 20:28:20Z

More info: This Samuel (John) or John Samuel Pate was born in Virginia per the 1880 census & the information found on his son Henry's death certificate. He would have been born around the year 1847

Samuel Pate m. Carrie Reffett (Harrison Co. KY)

Lindylou2012 — 2012-02-20 08:02:37Z

I am a direct descendant of Samuel Pate & Carrie (Caroline) Reffett. In the 1880 Census they lived in Leesburg, Harrison county, KY. They had 3 boys: Henry Davis, Samuel Mitchell, & John Taylor Pate. I also believe they had a daughter named Maggie. Carrie remarried in 1888 to James R. Abbott, also in KY. James, Carrie, Henry, & John all migrated to Platte County, MO. One of my older (85) yet sharp as a tack, non-Pate relative has told me that when the old timers would sit around & talk that they always referred to Henry's father as "Old John Pate" they had all lived in the same vicinity in KY before moving to MO. so they knew him. I cannot find any records on Samuel (Old John Pate) other than the 1880 census. I would greatly appreciate any help on this line of my ancestry.

Re: JOHN WESLEY PATE-ARELIA SPEARS

PatriciaSharonP — 2012-02-16 04:42:28Z

My father is Ray THurman Pate his father Lonnie Joel Pate

just started research on Pate's would like to learn Lonnie Joel Pate's birthplace.

Re: Erath/Hood Co TX PATES

PatriciaSharonP — 2012-02-16 04:31:38Z

My Grandfather was Lonnie Joel Pate of Gonzales Texas He was one of either 9 males or 11 males, had two sisters.

Moved to Milensand New Mexico around 1930 1921. . . He married Addie Lennie (Bartlett) Pate

I have researched my mother side of the family ; just started on Pate's My mother's name was Johnnie Willie (Bartlett) Pate I hope we can share some information and tips on research Thanks for reading my e-mail

Patricia Sharon Pate Vestall

Rachel COVINGTON PATE Estate

ad4hc — 2012-02-10 13:35:10Z

After years of no one seeming to know what happened to her after the 1850 Census, I have located the estate records for Rachel COVINGTON PATE, widow of Currington PATE, and daughter of Samuel COVINGTON and Lucy PANKEY. She died intestate in Marlboro County, SC. Samuel C. NEWTON, her nephew, made suit for Letters of Administration on 10/13/1853. The estate was settled on 1/12/1860, with Willis PATE as the Administrator, divided between five heirs:

John C. USHER & Wife Elizabeth
Alfred PATE
Sarah Ann PATE
Noah PATE
Mary Jane PATE

The funds for Noah and Mary Jane were paid to their guardian, E. COVINGTON.

During the course of settling the estate, Rachel’s father, Samuel COVINGTON, passed away. I had seen in other court records what I believe were suits against his estate by Rachel’s children, so I will have to go back and look for them again. Also during this period, Samuel C. NEWTON passed away in 1857. Willis PATE was the Administrator of Samuel NEWTON’s estate and apparently took over his responsibilities to settle Rachel’s estate.

Not listed in the final settlement was Currington and Rachel’s son, Willoughby, who had been present in the 1850 Census. Because of the minor children and perishables, the first sale of personal property was held on 10/23/1853. There is a Willoughby PATE listed who purchased a lot of chairs. I don’t know of another Willoughby that would be living in the area during this time period, so possibly this is their son and he died between 1853 and 1860.

Mary

Re: Parents of Kerren Elizabeth Pate in TN (Aug, 1855 - Jan 1929)

patejm — 2012-02-07 04:40:51Z

Karren Elizabeth Pate was the daughter of William Canterbury Pate and Martha Emmaline Pugh. She was the granddaughter of Samuel Pate and Hannah Canterbury. Kerren apparently was not enumerated with her family in the 1860 census of TN. She was enumerated in the 1870 census in Monroe Co., TN as a 14 year old with her widowed mother. See Page 144, Morgantown, site 118/118. The older sister Hana age 21 is Hannah Amanda Pate. I have her 14 Mar 1872 marriage to James Abraham Cadwalder "Jim" STEELE.

Re: Pate family

floridaboy25 — 2012-02-01 22:41:57Z

I have only been able to document my Pate line to 1800 South Carolina. The rest is speculation at this time. My line could just as easily be from the Canadian line. I will check that possibility as soon as possible.

William Pate (1812) Craven County, NC 1812

hillancestry1 — 2012-02-01 04:13:19Z

Looking for information on parentage of William Pate b. 1812 d. 1894, Craven County, NC. Believed to be my gg grandfather. Thanks in advance

Re: Pate family

Mariaheemskerk27 — 2012-01-31 07:30:42Z

I DON'T THINK MY FAMILY IS RELATED TO THE PATE'S FROM
VIRGINIA CONNECTION USA. My original ancestor came to
Canada Nova Scotia before 1738 and died by 1740. HE
was supposedly in the French MARINE. He married Claire Langlois b. in Port Royale Acadia (Nova Scotia) 1710.
They were married in 1738 in Petit de grat, Cape Breton,
Nova Scotia. They had one son Jean Marie PATE.
If your family has Canadian connections especially after the two world Wars, the could be connected because a lot
of the soldiers emigrated to the States to find work.
MARIA HEEMSKERK

Re: Still looking Cherokee connection William Hunter Pate 1839

earphoto — 2012-01-31 05:40:57Z

Kim ... starting the chase again, lol ... only maybe 12 years since we started this. earphoto43@gmail.com

Have 'new' researchers in Texas now interested in finding this proof, children of my cousins.

Re: Lucy B. Pate/Pates of Caroline Co Va

olclarke — 2012-01-29 01:08:32Z

A Heritage Book for Caroline Co is in the works, so if you have a Caroline family connection you may submit an article on your connection. The deadline is Mar. 20th. Go to www.county-heritage.com./va/caroline for more info.
Ollie

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battleaussie101 — 2012-01-28 01:51:47Z

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Re: Pate family

floridaboy25 — 2012-01-27 20:43:02Z

Do you have any other information about this family as Robert Francis Pate and Nancy Theodosia(Jordan)Pate were my great great grandparents?

Pates in the will of Richard Payne of Willesdon d 1605

ksims37 — 2012-01-26 17:32:42Z

I am posting this for anyone working on the Pate families in England.

Among the names in the will of Richard Payne of Willesden Middlesex, England, d 1605. (Willesden was then outside of London.)

Jane Pate wife of Thomas Pate, gent 20 pounds;
Edward Hollis, forty pounds;
Francis Hollis, 20 pounds;
Thomas Pate, son of the aforesaid Thomas Pate and Jane P. his wife, 10 lbs;
John Pate, another son of the aforesaid Thomas Pate, 20 pounds;
Elizabeth Pate, daughter of the aforesaid Thomas Pate and Jane his wife, 10 pounds;
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William Hollys (son of the Sir Thomas Hollys who went spectacularly bankrupt) married Elizabeth Flowerdew (sister of the grandfather of Temperance) , had son Edward Hollys, and a "daughter who married "Payt" of Willesden." Richard Payne is a 95 year old man who was the adminstrator of the estate of Sir Thomas Hollys, and the father or brother of the wife of Sir Thomas Hollys.

So the Jane Pate, above, is probably this daughter, since Edward Hollys is also mentioned in the will.
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Possible connections out of the St Mary Willesden parish register:

Willm Hollis Burial 25 Feb 1589 St Mary Willesden;
Thomas Pate Christened 28 Dec 1594 St Mary Willesden, son of Thomas;
John Pate Christened 27 Jun 1596 St Mary Willesden, son of Thoms;
Elizabeth Pate Christened 9 Sep 1599 St Mary Willesden, Daughter of Thoms;
Rychard Pate Christened 17 May 1601 St Mary Willesden, son of Thoms, buried 3 Feb 1602;
Mary Pate Christened 2 June 1605 St Mary Willesden, Daughter of Thoms;

Re: Pate, Rutherford/Retherford, Davis Families

EvelynLDC — 2012-01-25 22:51:12Z

This is what I have on the ancestors of Matrilla "Tilla" Pate, wife of John Davis. She was the daughter of Zachariah and Elizabeth Humphrey Pate. Zachariah was the son of Charles III and Phoebe Humphrey Pate. Charles III was the son of Charles Jr. and Sarah Henderson Pate. And Charles Jr. was the son of Charles Sr. and unknown. Charles Sr. was the son of Thoroughgood Pate, Jr., the son of Thoroughgood Pate, Sr., who was the son of Thomas Pate. I do not have sources for this information but trying to acquire.

I am descended from Rachael Pate, Matrilla's younger sister. Rachael married Aaron T. Davis who is probably related to Matrilla's husband. This Davis line is my brick wall. If they are related, then you and I are double cousins, Davis and Pate. I do not have an Acha in my database. I do have Rachael (r ACHA el) Copeland Humphrey listed as Matrilla and Rachael's maternal grandmother. It is not too far fetched to assume Acha is a nickname. Almost everyone in my dad's family had a nickname and, in many instances, there was no rhyme nor reason for it - why was Laura called Odie, Henrietta called Tuck, Elias called Dick, John called Blondie, Ollie called Buster, etc. I found out my real name when I enrolled in 1st grade. So I think your Acha is Rachel Copeland, wife of James Humphrey, whose daughter Elizabeth married Zachariah Pate. Where in TX do you hang your hat? (email me at elcourtney @ earthlink.net)

Re: Lucy B. Pate of Caroline Co Va

olclarke — 2012-01-25 22:10:04Z

Thought I'd get in touch with you and let you know that a heritage Book for Caroline Co is being done, so if you have family fom Caroline you can submit an article on them. Go to www.county-heritage.com/va/caroline for details. The deadline is Mar. 20th.
Ollie

Re: Pate, Rutherford/Retherford, Davis Families

texaswrangler1 — 2012-01-25 21:15:24Z

Hello how are you? Did you get the information you were seeking. I'm not sure if I will be able to help but I sure can try. My family is from the Greys Creek area and orgins from Robeson County. Martilla Pate, Zachariah Pate's first child I believe is my great,great,great grandmother. Little is known about my great, great grandfather whose mother's name was believed to be Acha Pate. It was also thought she married a John Davis. Nothing known about his father. Well digging around I found Martilla and found that she married a John Davis. I have joined the Pate DNA project and I found that I am in a desendant from Zachariah's line. But have not been directly connected to him until now if Martilla is Acha. Do you have any information about Martilla. If it turns out she is the same person then my great,great grandfather would have been born about 10 years before she married John Davis. What kind of information are you looking for about the Pate's of Robeson County?

Re: Parents of Kerren Elizabeth Pate in TN (Aug, 1855 - Jan 1929)

philreilly_1 — 2012-01-21 15:23:55Z

In 1870 census, look for Martha Pate Monroe Co. TN. "Eliz" age 14 is in the household with siblings "Haner" and Will. I have a copy of Martha's will which I would be happy to scan and email to you. I also have a picture of Kerran and her husband. Please contact me at philreilly@charter.net.

Pat

Parents of Kerren Elizabeth Pate in TN (Aug, 1855 - Jan 1929)

AHarris6347 — 2012-01-20 21:15:04Z

My great grandmother was Kerren Elizabeth Pate (b. Aug 1855 - d. Jan 1929 TN). I have always thought that her parents were William Canterbury Pate (b.Oct,1822 - d.Dec, 1865 TN) and Martha Emmaline Pugh (b. Sep,1827- d. Jul,1898 TN) However, the 1860 Census for TN does not list Kerren Elizabeth (who would have been 5 years old) with these parents. And I can not find her on the 1870 Census. Can anyone help. Do I have the wrong parents?

Re: Pate family

patejm — 2012-01-08 08:35:20Z

Dudley William Pate, Jr 1919-2005 is a 1st cousin, once removed to Gregory Lynn Pate. Dudley William Pate, Sr 1893-1976 is a grand uncle to Gregory Lynn Pate. In both cases the common or shared ancestors are Robert Francis Pate 1845-1923 and Nancy Ann Theodosia "Dosia" Jordan 1849-1904.

Re: Pate family

floridaboy25 — 2012-01-06 18:27:53Z

Hello Bill,
I hope you are doing alright. I am glad that I found you.Dudley Pate was my great uncle. His brother,Thomas Pate,was my great grandfather. I would love to talk to you since you are in my family tree. My name is Howard Rankin. You can call or text me at 251-209-6695. I live in Mobile.

Re: Pate's in South Africa - originally from UK

familybee — 2011-12-29 23:19:34Z

I'm interested in your Stokes family. I have information on Samuel Stokes born 1816,died 1881 married to Tamar Wood, born 1818. Their son Samuel b. 1843 in Stafford married Arabella Husselbee in 1863. Husselbee is my maiden name and I have family history that connects me to them. I am trying to connect back to the Shakespeare family, possibly through The Woods family of Dudley. But I'd be interested in any other lines that may intersect back to THE William Shakespeare b. 1564. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Pate Research Subjects in England

a12j02 — 2011-11-23 15:29:41Z

I mentioned some time ago that I would post some Pate subjects for research in England in case anyone plans to travel there and would like to do some research while there. A lot of questions and research topics came up during the preparation of the paper I did on Sir John Pate. I have finally dug through my papers and put together this list of research subjects. I have numbered some of them to indicate a higher priority.

If anyone already knows the answers to any of these, please let me know, and provide your documentation. One of us could then post it to this forum.

I will be happy to discuss these subjects with anyone doing some advance planning for a trip to England. I can add more information and perhaps detail on most of them.

I am very pleased that we have a Thoroughgood Pate descendant who is a reverse emigrant to England. She has earned a PhD in 17th Century history and has worked extensively on research projects in England. She recently contacted me and is quite enthused about research possibilities there. She is very busy with children and other duties, but is looking forward to being as involved in research as practicable. I think the Pate family, particularly the Thoroughgood Pate family line, is very fortunate to have her there, especially with her expertise and research skills.

We are certainly hopeful that we descendants of Thoroughgood Pate can discover his English lineage, but our search will obviously cover all Pate families with origins in England.

A. J. Pate
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Sir John Pate

(4) The will of Sir John has yet to be discovered. He died in 1659 and was buried at St. Giles-in-the-Fields, London. Administration of his will was granted September 20, 1659, apparently to his widow Lettice.

The will of Sir John’s second wife, Lettice Dilke Bradshaw, who had been married to two prominent and wealthy men before Sir John, could be revealing.

Thomas Cogswell's book, "Home Divisions: Aristocracy, the State and Provincial Conflict", by Thomas Cogswell, Manchester University Press, 1998 Note 53, p. 297, Chapter 13:
I sent an email to Cogswell to inquire of the source of the information about Sir John Pate in his book, but he did not respond.

The papers of Sir Harvey Bagott, dated 1646 to 1659, which are held in the Staffordshire Record Office. These include correspondence from various people, "mainly Lady Elianor Rowe, and Sir John Pate". These could contain information on the life of Sir John after the death of Charles I, and possibly his own death in 1659. Sir John and Sir Bagott were Royalist comrades-in-arms in the civil wars. Also, Sir John's second wife Lettice was a stepdaughter of Sir Bagott. I purchased the six letters written by Sir John and still transliterating. They don’t appear to contain any revolutionarily new information.

Sir John Pate is mentioned in these books by P. R. Newman: “Royalist Officers . . . a Biographical Dictionary”, 1981, and “The old service: Royalist regimental colonels and the Civil War, 1642-46”, Manchester U. Press, 1993. It could be revealing to learn the source of his references.

The Pate families of Leicester and the related Pate families of early colonial Virginia

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.pate/1277/mb.ashx : At this link, there is some good information and book references which would be helpful if anyone makes a trip to Melton Mowbray, Leicester County

The very close associations of the Pate and the distinguished Skipwith families in the 1600s in England and possible associations in Virginia present a fertile field for further research. Are there any direct connections in the emigrations of the Pate and Skipwith families and/or after their arrivals in Virginia?

In Merchant Taylors’ School in 1651, there was a Henry Pate, “third son of Edward, dealer, born in Martin’s Ludgate, Sept. 5, 1641”. He could be a brother of Col. Thomas Pate of Virginia.

Research of the papers of Dr. Morris Colles, vicar of the Melton church in the 1880s, could be very revealing if they still exist. This is likely since his son was a literary agent. In letters dated in 1886, he wrote: "I made quite a discovery here on the Pate family." ". . . I can tell you a long and strange story about [the inscription on the Pate memorial in the church]."

(3) John Pate, nephew of Richard Pate, died in October 1672, while serving on Virginia's Council of State, whose members were appointed by the king. He had a wife still living in England. Did he also have part of his estate in England which was administered there? He was referred to by the Council of State as an attorney, obviously educated in England, and had been appointed administrator over a number of estates in Virginia by the Council. So it seems highly unlikely that he would have died without a will, though it was probably destroyed with all the other public records of Gloucester County VA. However, with part of his estate in England, his will was likely probated there as well. He was from London.

(1) Perhaps the single most important document, which has a high likelihood of still being available and containing significant valuable information, would be the last will of Edward Pate, a prominent London merchant. He was kinsman of prominent Pate's in early Virginia -- nephew of Richard Pate, brother of John Pate, and father of Col. Thomas Pate. Beside these close kinships with prominent Pate's in colonial Virginia, Edward was a good friend of Baron Francis Howard, the royal governor-general of Virginia from 1683 to 1692. Edward's will would likely identify members of the Pate family who remained in England and their kinships to those who emigrated to Virginia. Edward died after 1686, very likely before 1700. I believe this may be the will of Edward (unfortunately I failed to note the reference): “1700 -- Edward Pate, of St. Edward, Coleman St., London, of East Greenwich, Kent. (2719)”.

(2) Thoroughgood and Pate family associations

In Essex County, Black Notley Parish, there was a manor house acquired sometime after 1634 by _____Thorowgood, esq., and ______ Pate, esq. (not sure whether together or in succession).

In a will dated May 3, 1638, John Wroth of London leaves legacies to his nephew Sir John Thorowgood and Edward Pate, a godson.

Both Richard Thorowgood and Edward Pate were in Utter Bar of Middle Temple in London in 1640.

It would be interesting to locate the Thoroughgood arms with Pate quartered. These arms prove that was a marriage between the two families (a Thoroughgood man and a Pate female), but when? Burke’s has a description of the Thoroughgood arms. There were two different styles for different family lines.

General

(5) There are a number of Pate wills listed in the National Archives (PCC). Those in the 1620-1700 range would be of particular interest to disclose any connections to the Leicester Pate family and the Virginia Pate’s.

Re: the family of woody pate or fannie

curehemanjg — 2011-11-20 03:48:15Z

erving danny pate was my grandfather, i am josh pate
curehemanjg@yahoo.com