Rohe - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: New Rohe y-DNA website

everoha — 2011-07-24 13:45:48Z

A small number of Rohe have been tested and joined the website. We are all descended from the Kleinwallstadt branch of the family and from Pankraz Rohe, 1718-1790, in particular.

We are from the same Haplogroup and our STR values vary by only a small amount, all of which is consistent with the date of our common ancestor.

Of course the Kleinwallstadt branch is just a small part of the whole Rohe family (about 3,000 in Germany today). I am curious as to the other branches and whether they could be related to us through an even more distant common ancestor: St. Ingbert/Rohrbach, Arnsburg, Oldenburg, Vechta, Alsace, Lorraine?

I would like to extend an invitation for any other Rohe to join the project

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Rohe-Germany/default.asp...

It doesn't matter whether you know where in Europe your ancestors come from or not.

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

everoha — 2011-04-30 13:35:40Z

Do you know where in Ohio she was born? What town? That might help us narrow it down some.

She is probably not in my own direct line or else I would have recognized the name.

The fact that she was Catholic indicates that we might have a common ancestor back in Germany, but so many people are Catholic. Plus, religion isn't always inherited they way that DNA is.

David Roha

help needed

lkfranz07 — 2011-04-30 06:48:09Z

My brother was born to Henry J Rohe in either 1954 or 1955. His birth name was Michael Joseph. His birth mother's name was Shirley A Ingrim. Michael was given up for adoption at around 4-5 years of age. I do not know the family's name that adopted him. If anyone knows of this please contact. Thank you.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

blhenkel — 2011-04-29 02:13:34Z

The kids kept their own name, Rohe. The father was Nicholas Rohe. The step-father's family name was Hary/Harry. Johann/John was the puddler, which was highly-paid skilled labor at that time, before the Bessemer process. John the Good Son was a crane man at the mill, and a widower who took care of his mother "Little Grandma Rohe who spoke no English" as my grandma said. A Harry was godparent to my great-grandfather Frank Rohe. Johann & Catherine had 10 kids, including Maggie "who died young" and gave my Grandma the doll that neither my mother nor I was allowed to play with.

Yes, it is unbelievable that the entire US Steel complex is gone, mostly as scrap metal. The site has been developed into a waterfront park and shopping area. The stacks remain, and the main gate. I have not seen it personally being in Fla since 1983, but I looked at it via Google while trying to find if any of the family homes survived. (Most are gone.) On the other side of the river, the works are mostly gone, but an organization called Rivers of Steel is working to preserve what is left as a working museum. It's an interesting project.

BTW some of my unusual resources have been city directories, funeral books, and Christmas card lists!

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

everoha — 2011-04-29 00:30:45Z

Hi Barbara,

Nice to hear from you again. I am glad you are making progress in your search. As I recall, in the censuses, where they ask for country of origin, it once said "Prussia" and another time "Baden". Of course today Baden is merged with Wuerttemberg to form the German State of Baden-Wuerttemberg. Back then they were two different countries.

If the mother married a second time did the children take the surname of the first husband or the second? Were they born Rohe or become Rohe upon adoption by the second husband?

As I recall the man of the house, Johann, was a "puddler" or an early type of steelworker. Was he the second husband or the son Johann?

Sorry I didn't make it up to that cemetery yet. I hear the old Homestead Works is now a shopping Mall.

David Rohe

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

blhenkel — 2011-04-27 14:33:18Z

After several years, I can definitely state where the Homestead PA Rohes came from. Johann, Michel, & Catherine Rohe arr NY 22 Apr 1852 from Wurttemberg via LeHavre ship Gallia, along w their mother's second husband & family. Johann was 16, the others a little younger. Petition for Naturalization 1857 Western PA District Court. Married Catherine Michler 1859. They lived in Birmingham which is now Pittsburgh's South Side area. Johann/John served in 14th Penna Cavalry in Civil War, and died around 1879 age 43. The Rohe kids were not lucky in their American Adventure. The sister married and died young, probably in childbirth. I cannot trace the brother. Most of this info came from a wonderful lady researching her husband's people whose forebears were the Rohes' step-family. She did all her work before the Internet, and sent me looking at different resources. So...no Huguenots, no C-List movie stars, no connection to the name "King" in any language. Just a hard-working blue-collar family. Most of them are buried in the Rohe lot in St Mary's Cemetery in Homestead on top of a little hill. When I was a child there was an obelisk marker; I do not know if it is still there. According to my uncle's sketch, John The Good Son's stone is on the wrong gravesite.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

enright_bill — 2011-04-25 00:44:33Z

This is a long shot, but my great grandmother appears to have had the maiden name Cynthia Jane Rohe born in Ohio in 1850. She married my great grandfather Cornelius Enright b. 1845 in Shanagolden parish, Co. Limerick, Ireland. My family was Roman Catholic and they were married about 1875 in Ohio. Their first child was born in 1876 in Ohio (Minnie Enright) they moved to Kansas where my grandfather was born in 1881. Both Cornelius and Cynthia are buried at Mount Cavalry cemetery near Solomon, Kansas. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone please let me know on here or at enright_bill@yahoo.com

Thanks
Bill

New Rohe y-DNA website

everoha — 2011-02-16 01:04:55Z

I started a new website at Family Tree DNA

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Rohe-Germany/default.asp...

I was thinking we have all of these loose threads with no way to tie them together. Most people just know they have an ancestor who came from Germany (or France), but can't say anything more. A few of the lucky ones can trace their ancestors inside of Germany for a few generations, before the trail also grows cold.

Y-DNA can tell us whether we are all related and come from a single common ancestor. Or is Rohe a generic name like Jones or Smith, which could have numerous non-related patriarchs? Y-DNA can also give us a rough estimate (very rough) of how many generations ago we might have a common ancestor.

I am not necessarily trying to push FT, but they do have the largest database of members, which makes comparisons and plotting locations on maps easier.

So I would like to invite all the Rohe men to get their y-DNA tested and share their results on this website.

Sincerely,

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

everoha — 2011-02-16 00:46:28Z

Hi Charlene,

My ancestors came from around Aschaffenburg, which is geographically very close to Darmstadt. Politically they were worlds apart. Aschaffenburg became part of Bavaria. Darmstadt was the capital of the independent state Hesse-Darmstadt.

David

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

everoha — 2011-02-16 00:40:50Z

Hi Pam,

Do you know which part of Bavaria they came from? My ancestors came from what is now the extreme NW corner of Bavaria near Aschaffenburg and Kleinwallstadt on the Main river. It was land that was once held by the Archbishop of Mainz, so naturally they were all Catholic.

David

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

CharleneButler79 — 2011-01-15 14:20:06Z

Hi,

Yes, my ancestor Philip Rohe, who was born in 1832 in the Darmstadt area, pronounced his name Roy. In at least one year in the US Census Records, his name was listed as Roy. He settled in Connecticut.

Charlene

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

alemap40 — 2011-01-11 02:53:42Z

My father and his sister whose grandfather was Adam Rohe always pronounced the name "Roy". Adam Rohe, my great grandfather, came from Bavaria.

Pam

Re: Margaret Rohe-Emge-Maryland

OmaShelley — 2010-07-20 17:14:13Z

My friend is not a member of Ancestry, but is doing Emge research and wrote the following to me when she came upon your post: 'Anne Victoria was my grandfather's Aunt. She was his father's sister and I have copy of the manifest. They all settled in Baynesville which is where they had a good deal of property. I can help. Margaret Rohe was married to Francis Emge who was my great-grandfather's brother.' If you wish to contact her, email me personally (Bnsarnold7@comcast.net) and I will give you her email address.

DNA Testing anyone?

droha150 — 2010-05-25 00:42:08Z

Has any Rohe tested their y-DNA? I had it done recently and was classified a probable J2. I am waiting on further "deep-clade" testing for the final pronouncement on my exact type.

This might provide a clue as to whether all Rohe are descended from a common patriarch. Rohe also means "raw" or "fresh" in German. Maybe some of us come from that meaning.

There is strong anecdotal evidence that it was French and derived from Rohé and thence from Roi, Roy, leRoi or LeRoy, which is extremely common in Walloon Belgium and Northern France.

On the LeRoy gene forum, most members were R1b, which is probably the most common Western European haplotype, representing a prehistorical Indo-European invasion of Europe. There were also a few I1 and I2, which testifies to a few even earlier inhabitants.

I found one "Roy" who was also a J2, which still leaves open the possibility I am descended from that group. But "LeRoy" is most likely a generic name like "Smith" or "Cook" that could apply across many un-related lineages.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2010-02-09 02:00:33Z

Fantastic!! This would constitute independent supporting evidence.

I believe our semi-literate ancestors were finely attuned to the correct pronunciation of the name, which was what really mattered to them. The actual spelling of the name was of secondary importance to them since they lived in the world of the spoken word. The world of the written word was still somewhat arcane and mysterious and didn't matter as much.

Therefore as they traveled to other countries, they adjusted the spelling of the family name in an attempt to reproduce the same sound as how it was originally spoken in the old country.

In Belgium and France you have LeRoy, LeRoi, Roy and Roi. The 'Le' simply means 'the' and can be dropped or not without changing the root.

In Germany you have Rohé and Rohe. The accent 'egu' is definitely not German but is French, meaning they were definitely flaunting their French origin while living in Germany. There is also Rauhé and Raué which sounds exactly the same if you insist upon the French pronunciation, but sounds completely different if you use German rules.

In the Netherlands you have 'de Rooij'. 'de' means 'the' in Dutch. 'ij' in Dutch is pronounced somewhere between 'ay' and 'eye'; there is no direct English equivalent. It would mean 'Le Roy' only written with Dutch pronunciation rules. They also have 'van Rooij' and just 'Rooij' and 'Roij'.

It all seems to point to a central group in the provinces of Flanders, Brabant and Hainault in Belgium and maybe Picardy in France. From there some groups emigrated to France, England, Netherlands and Germany. Along the way, the spelling might have changed, but the basic sound remained the same.

David

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-02-08 14:31:05Z

I got the LeRoi thing from family legend. My father, I believe, was the first to say anything about the last name to me. It was a long time ago though. I do know that I was always told there was something French about the family. I may and try to call my Uncle Myron to see if I can hear any other family legend from him. He is the oldest living relative I have from the Rohe clan (he's 90 years old.) He actually is somewhat interested in genealogy, and he's still sharp as a tack (he still reads the Wall Street Journal every day, and understands it.... which I at 32 can't do... :)

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

droha150 — 2010-02-07 17:00:31Z

I would be interested in where your connection to 'leRoi' came from. Could this be an independent confirmation or just a repeat of my own speculation? Father Rohé from Keleinwallstadt said that Rohé came from the French Roi.

I checked out name distribution maps on the names Roi, Roy, leRoi and LeRoy. The biggest name group is LeRoy and is concentrated in the eastern part of Belgium and also in the French Départment Nord, which used to be part of Belgium, when it was called the Spanish Netherlands. Roi, Roy and leRoi are not as common, but their distribution would imply a Huguenot distribution.

There are about 20,000 LeRoy in Belgium and maybe another 20,000 in France, again mostly just over the bolder from Belgium in cities like Lille, Arras and Amiens. These large numbers make me think that LeRoy is the original group and other smaller name groups, including Rohe, branch off of it.

In Modern French Roi is pronounced as 'Rwah'. But if one looks into how it was pronounced in Old French it is more like 'Roh-eee' or 'Roh-ay'. Therefore, I think our ancestors were trying to preserve an Old French pronunciation of the name, of which they were very proud.

The first reference to the name Le Roy is for Adenet 'The King of the Troubadors': http://www.uv.es/britan/micro/micro_5_33.html. I also heard of the expression 'King of the Troubadors' used in Barabara Tuchman's book 'A Distant Mirror'. When French King Jean II was captured by the English at the battle of Poitiers and taken to London for ransom, he still maintained a 'King of Troubadors' among other servants and hangers on. I guess the unruly Troubadors needed a 'King' to rule over them and make sure they all played in harmony.

There were also many elected 'King of the Revels', for feasts, celibrations and drinking sprees, who presided over the goings on. It is similar to the King or 'Rex' of Marti Gras in New Orleans.

I don't know if there was one orginal LeRoy patriarch (maybe even Adenet) or if there were several. It could be a more generic name such as Smith or Taylor.

The family names of the actual French kings were Capet, Valois and finally Bourbon. I don't think we are descended from them.

regards,

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-02-02 02:21:20Z

She probably would've know Stella as Stella Yeager (her married name.) Stella was among the older of the 13 children whereas Betty was among the younger of the 13 children. Stella was 21 years old when Betty was born, and Betty was 2 when Stella married my great-grandfather Isadore Yeager.
I have not found when my Rhoa's came over, but my guess is around 1850 or so. None of them are listed in the 1850 census, and I haven't found any records of them (including church records) prior to May of 1855 (the marriage of John Rohe to Frances Denny). Language wouldn't have been a problem in that particular area (most of the people there were first or second generation Germans, so they would've been able to converse with their neighbors). The Rhoa's neighbors were the Glassers (who came around 1835 or so to the US from Germany), the Yeagers (who came in the 1830's to the US from Germany) and the Denny's who also were new immigrants from Germany. The Rhoa's intermarried with all 3 families.
I am still looking for their immigration records but have not found anything. Hopefully something will come up soon.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2010-02-02 00:45:16Z

Yeah, Rita (Kirsch) Sheehan came from Nicktown. Ed and Rita's family lived near Johnstown and came up to Chest Springs to visit the Sheehans or Nicktown for the Kirsches. She doesn't remember a Stella Rhoa, but might not have had an occasion to.

The history of northern Cambria county is very interesting in my opinion.

I've been reading up on the history of Arnsberg on the internet. It was a fiefdom of the archbishop of Cologne (Köln). Therefore its people would have certainly been Catholic.

German Catholic immigrants tended to settle in certain enclaves, such as that of Father Gallitzin in Loretto.

Do you know what year they came over? Do you know what ship they took?

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-02-01 01:07:47Z

It may very well be Arnsberg. My spelling can be off...
I wonder if Rita is related to my sister-in-law who was a Kirsch... then again in that area, if you go back far enough, everyone is related. I keep finding that I'm related to more and more people up there.
Next time my parents come to visit (I live in Florida now), I'll have them bring the pictures and scan some in if you're interested in seeing if there happens to be any family resemblances.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2010-01-31 23:51:06Z

Yes, I remember uncle Charlie and I heard about his and Betty's son being rediscovered. But he's dead and gone, as is his brother and my father-in-law Edwin. Edwin's wife Rita (Kirsch) Sheehan is still alive and in her 90s. She is living with us now. If you want to identify some faces on old photos maybe we can run them past her.

Is it possible it is "Arnsberg" Germany and not "Arensburg"? I used www.dastelefonbuch.de and found 5 Rohes in the telephone book for Arnsberg. It is a stones throw from an even larger concentration of Rohe in the town of Menden. I can't find any "Arensburg".

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-01-31 16:03:19Z

Elizabeth ("Betty") Rhoa is my great-grandmother's (Stella Rhoa)sister. My dad remembers "uncle Charlie" pretty well.
Betty is decended from Augustine Rohe who died in 1861 after sustaining injuries from a falling tree through his son Albert George Rhoa who married Emma Christina Stoltz. They were all Catholic.
My Rhoa's tended to live very long. Several lived into their late 80's and early 90's. I think Uncle Oscar (Betty's brother) lived to be 96 years old (my great-uncle Myron still lives in Oscar's home and my uncle Myron is 90.) At one point, of the 13 children in my great-grandmother's family, 10 were alive and all over the age of 70. I have quite a few pictures at my parents home of the Rhoa family. Some of them I know who they are (one of my great-great uncle's had gone through and identified those who he could), some I do not.
I don't know if you know this or not, but about 15-20 years ago, the long lost child of Charlie and Betty Sheehan was found by their other children. They had not knowledge of their long lost sibling until they were adults.
I believe the French Revolution stuff actually came from the Stoltz side of the family because there was a distant relative that married someone who had fled because of the revolution. I still had always been told that there was a French element to the name.
My Rhoa's supposed came from Arensburg, Westphalia, Germany. It's near Paderborn in the North West part of Germany.
Augustine Rohe who was the immigrant I believe (I have not found evidence of his parents coming to the US) came with at least 3 brothers, Ferdinand (named for his father), Caspar, and John. John married Frances Denny. Augustine married Caroline Glasser (who remarried after his death John Semelsberger.)
The Rhoa's were all from the Chest Springs area. Both Augustine and Caroline Glasser-Rhoa-Semelsberger were buried at St. Boniface cemetery in Elder township (which is nearby.) Caroline's first child with John Semelsberger was named Augustine (my guess is in honor of her dead first husband.)
My family did keep the "roy" pronunciation. So far I've only found the Rohe, Rhoe (probably a mispelling) and Rhoa spelling. I thought it was Row-a for years until my grandmother corrected me. I need to look it up, but a cousin of my grandmother's had a son who did some research about the pronunciation of the name. I do have that somewhere.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

droha150 — 2010-01-31 15:06:46Z

My wife's family (Sheehan) comes from northern Cambria county. After the marriage ceremony a cousin came up and told me we might be related?!

Anyway, my father-in-law's brother Charlie Sheehan married a Betty Rhoa (pronounced Roy). Does she appear in you genealogy? The Sheehan's had a farm near Chest Springs. In the cemetery at St. Augustine's I saw a headstone with the name "Rhoa".

On an old land map of Clearfield township, which lies to the north, I saw a farm with the name 'Roha' on it. That is the exact spelling of my surname, but as far as I know most of my family was concentrated near Meadville PA, way to the north and west of Clearfield. I think it is one of yours, with 'Roha' just being an alternate spelling of 'Rhoa'.

I suspect our immigrant ancestors thought English vowels were pronounced exactly as sounded out in reciting the alphabet. Therefore Roha or Rhoa should sound as Roh-ay. Recall old people referring to Californ-I-A.

The same sound would be made by Rohé (with the accent) in French, but few in 19th century America understood French pronunciation.

Joseph, the first son of my ancestors, Michael and Scholastica Rohe, spelled his name Roa upon enlisting in the Union Army in 1862. He later spelled it Roae in the 1870 census as did his descendants ever after.

Michael & Scholatica's name in the US censuses went from Roy to Roley, Rowe and finally to Roha by 1880 when it stabilized as such.

My father remembers old friends of the family in Meadville calling them the 'Roys'.

I also suspect that in Germany the Rohé dropped the French accent mark, during the first and second world wars because they didn't want people to think they were French. The pronunciation then became Roh-uh, according to standard German pronunciation rules.

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

droha150 — 2010-01-31 02:44:04Z

There are about 3000 Rohe currently living in Germany, so it's not exactly a small group. They are concentrated chiefly on the western side of the country, which sort of supports them immigrating from France or the French speaking part of Belgium (Wallonia). What's more they are concentrated especially in a few towns or areas: Kleinwallstadt, Aschaffenburg and Offenbach on the lower Main river valley, Rohrbach and Sankt Ingbert in the Saarland and also in Alsace France which is close by. They are also concentrated in Vechta, near Oldenburg and also in several towns in the upper Ruhr valley.

I can trace my line back to Kleinwallstadt in the 1600s at least, so it is earlier than the French Revolution. My father, Max, met an old Catholic priest, Father Rohé who said the family were originally Huguenots, French protestants who fled persecution in France by immigrating to other countries. He said the name was originally Roi, which changed to Rohé (with the French accent over the 'é'), to Rohe without the accent.

I also suspect they could also be Walloons or Protestants from the Spanish Netherlands (now Belgium) who also fled to escape religious persecution. Walloons and Huguenots are often lumped together although they came from different countries.

The strange thing is that the Rohe in Kleinwallstadt and environs are almost 100% Catholic. If they were Huguenots or Walloons how did they come to convert back to Catholicism?

If you don't mind me asking, do you know what was the religion of your ancestors?

Please E-mail me if you like: droha@windstream.net

sincerely,

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-01-27 23:16:45Z

Arensburg is located in the North West part of the country.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2010-01-27 16:29:02Z

My Rohe line was from Sulzburg-a-Main, Germany. My G-G Father, Johann George, born 1804 emigrated to Baltimore
in 1843, married Susan Dieter and most of their descendants
stayed in the Maryland area.
Where is Arensburg located?
Lou Rohe
lrohe@att.net

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

missbeehavenagn — 2010-01-27 01:42:36Z

Hey there,
well as far as I know they are a part of David Roha's family. John and Catherina came and lived in Allhegany, PA for a short while then on their way to WI, had to stop off for the birth of a child, then on to Milwaukee where he was suposed to have met up with a brother, they didn't find him and so they settled in the Calumet area of WI. After some long research though I beleive there is more of the Rohes connected than most people know. One of the reasons being my family was very close to the singer-actress Vera Ellen Rohe, I have always known she was a cousin, but doing research on her line she came from a different place than John, was suposed to have came from. Also there is to many simularities of family migration of the cherry, sullivan, PA group as well. In all of these families there are a lot of these coincidences. Now the French thing, again, family lore brings up the same stories. I beleive that the Rohes way back that came from France to Germany were probably closely related and spread out from there. David states that there is a lot of Rohes today in Germany but if you look at how few there was in the US early 1800's and really the amount today in Germany to me is not that many. They may have drop the Le in Le Rohe or Le Roi/Roy when running to Germany. You also have to realize at the time of all this going on, France and Germany changed ownership of a huge part of Germany 9 times. If they were fleeing, if they had money and maybe were in hiding, they may have dropped the Le and went to a more German sounding Rohe, they may have also accepted the catholic religon to avoid persacution or having to leave another land. Without some deffinate records so much of this is speculation. But david has done some really good research as well as traveling to Germany, so if anyone can figure this out it will be him and Josef.
But as far as my liniage they were all drinkers, and tavern life seem to be in there blood. Deb

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-01-26 22:23:17Z

It's kind of hard for me to tell how much a part of the life drinking was. My grandfather and grandmother were kind of tee-totalers (mostly because my great-grandfather -- not a Rohe -- died of cirrhosis of the liver.) Which group of Rohe's are you descended from? Mine are the ones from Cambria county originally from Arensburg, Germany.
Deb.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

missbeehavenagn — 2010-01-26 18:14:59Z

This is very interesting, my Rohes when they got to WI, well had a quick stop in Milwaukee, but then settled in the calumet Co area. They had a tavern, then my great granddad move closer to the menomonee reservation and again opened a tavern, my grandfather carried on the tavern business and then there was a brief moment in my life that I had a tavern. And living in WI I can tell you that most Germans and Catholics around here drink, and I don't mean a once a month occasion, it is a vital part of life here.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2010-01-26 14:46:49Z

Very interesting. I would like to explore your Rohe side if
you will. You can contact me at lrohe@att.net if you wish.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-01-26 05:52:12Z

You know something my grandmother had said may hold some interest for you. She had always told me that the rohes were rich brewers in France before the revolution when they were forced to flee for their lives. I just assumed she was making it up (she tended to do things like that.) However, maybe there is something to do with brewing in the family history somewhere (not rich brewers or anything like that, but maybe had some brewing background).

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

draugh1 — 2010-01-26 05:47:49Z

I am also descended from the Rohe family (ours ended up spelling in Rhoa.) I am from Augustine, son of Ferdinand and Dinescuta Schulter who lived in Cambria County after emigrating from Arensberg, Germany. I had also been told that the family's original name was French. Something like LeRoi or something. I had also been told they were of royal descent, some sort of French brewers who had to leave the country during the French Revolution. I had pretty much discounted all the lore I had been told (including the French roots) because the information came from my grandmother who was prone to creating elaborate falsehoods and mixing stories (some of her ancestors were from the Alsace-Lorraine area so figured she was confused.) However, maybe there was a grain of truth to the whole originally being from France aspect to it.

Re: Another Sulzbach

louloloa — 2009-06-01 11:17:02Z

Debbie, I could not agree with you more! Those guys are
great researchers. I sure don't know how to do it. Keep in touch. Thanks!
Lou

Re: Another Sulzbach

missbeehavenagn — 2009-06-01 02:25:11Z

Hi Lou,
i did answer an email but didn't want others to miss this. David and Max has been such a blessing in this research. They are far more educated about German history than I am and the fact that Max went to Germany to search has opened more doors.
It is my personal beleif that there are more of us related than mose think. Because of the wars and relocation due to these wars and religion I think that is why we have so many in different places. However most of these places really isn't that far away from each other. But I think eventually David and Max will run across something that is going to shock us all. One thing I have learned about genealogy, you can't have preconcieved ideas about anything, because it will somehow prove you wrong. We are so often influenced by how life is today and movies and how we think the past was, but without really knowing the history of the time we often miss important things. So that is why I am so very grateful to Max and David for the time they are speading researching these histories. Deb

Re: Another Sulzbach

louloloa — 2009-05-30 14:13:52Z

Debbie, My wife and I are snowbirds from Maryland, go to Daytona Beach,Fl.in winter and now back in Md.Did you see thegreat research by David Roha? Maybe all of us will connect sometime.Keep in touch.
Lou Rohe
lrohe@att.net

Re: Calling all Rohes

missbeehavenagn — 2009-05-05 17:17:44Z

HI David
So sorry for not going back and changing this post. This is Debbie that you converse with. At the time no one replied for years and by then my email had changed. So that is why I got a hotmail and yahoo address, hopefully they will remain and I won't have to worry about old post again. You are right and after another post I did today, I do think it is my John that lived in Shaler that is the godparents. The dates are more correct as well as the timing of being where they were. I am in the process of taking all of the info off of Castle Garden and seeing how many match up to area. I have found that putting them in a spead sheet that I can change criteria helps when you are dealing with so many names and places. I have also noticed there is two new people on here that may link some of the WI to IL and back to PA. So in the next few weeks I hope to hear back from some of them and maybe now that there is more researchers out there we may at least put an end to some brick walls at least here in the US. So once I am settled here I plan on spending full time on the Rohe tree at least for awhile. With all the info I have seen, I really do feel there is more connection to the Rohes here than we know and you doing what you are doing with the overseas stuff will just seal it. I am so greatful for you and your father. You have been such a God send to all of us Rohe researchers. Thanks again, Debbie Rohe alberts

Re: Johanne (John) Rohe

missbeehavenagn — 2009-05-05 15:48:52Z

Would love to share Rohe info with you. My Rohes are in WI but are somehow connected with those of PA and IL. Look forward to hearing from you.
thebeeheaven@hotmail.com
Debbie Rohe Alberts

Re: Another Sulzbach

missbeehavenagn — 2009-05-05 14:54:42Z

Hi Lou,
Oh I am so glad I read this posting. I haven't been on lately because we have been in a moving process from AR to WI since Dec. And I am still not settled but eager to find out what is going on in the Rohe search. My Rohes live mainly in Wi and we do know somehow we are connected to the ones in IL which would be most likely the Valentine clan. And now we know that my John and Catherine were in Allegany PA, before traveling to IN and then to WI. So we are assuming because of the place that this is the same John and Catherine that is godparents to Davids line.
Anyway, after all these years of very few researching the Rohe's this is great to see more looking.
My mom and dad were one of the people that Marlise sent a letter too and we were in the process of moving to AR at the time and somehow it got lost. It was only recntly again in the move that we ran across it. I just sent her a letter today, which is so funny I would read this post today.
anyway, would love to chat with you, my email is
thebeeheaven@hotmail.com
my mom is from FL and I lived in Sarasota and Gainsville for many years. Where are you? Debbie Rohe Alberts

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

missbeehavenagn — 2009-05-05 14:36:10Z

Well this is interesting I dont remember reading this on any of our emails. Now I will have to go back and read them all again.
First I would sure like to find out if the two Johns and catherine's now are mixed up. Was mine the godparents or this other set in PA?
Also if I am not mistaken either my line or the Sullivan PA line, family lore was we were once French Hugonauts. I think it was mine, yet they have a very strong Catholic back ground. But where Marlise is from it is on the border of Germany and there may have been a huge Catholic influence there. And I find it funny so many of these Rohes either owned Taverns or had something to do with a bar. My great grandfather and grandfather ran a tavern all their lives. Deb

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

missbeehavenagn — 2009-05-05 14:14:20Z

Hi David,
I wanted to post this so if others see it they will have the info. I recently found out that the two brothers that came from France, the one brother Adam and most of his family stayed in Erie, NY and in Ontario, Canada and they arrived allbut a few children in May 1884. HI brother George arrived March 1873 and the family was in Douglas Co. Kansas by 1875. Son george and daughter Margarite was not on the ship record but both George and Margerite and her husband George Seitz are there on the 1880 Douglas, KS census. most of that family stayed in KS. Which I found odd seeing that they were brothers to be so far away and not migrate toward one another. Their parents were Martin and Madeleine Saum Rohe'. I am sure there were more children but according to Marlise in the letter she wrote these are the only ones listed.
Also we pronousced our name as Roy, sometime Roe.
And where they came from in France looks like it is pretty close to the lower west side of Germany. But back then I am not familier with old boundery lines. Deb

Distribution of Rohe in Germany

davidjroha — 2009-04-04 02:01:55Z

I think this website is cool!

http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/rohe.html

It is the distribution of the surname Rohe in Germany, probably gathered from present day phone books.

Rohe seems to be a predominantly western German family. There seem to be a few concentration points as in Oldenburg, Menden in the Ruhr Valley, the Saar around Sankt Ingbert and Rohrbach, Kleinwallstadt and the lower Main valley. Over time the family most likely diffused away somewhat from these few cities into surrounding areas.

You can get even higher resolution by going to www.dastelefonbuch.de and clicking on "Mapfinder".

Some ship manifests and census's list Rohe's as coming from Prussia. I don't think it is Prussia in the classical sense as being from the east of Germany, i.e. Berlin, Brandenburg or East Prussia. Rather Prussia in the 1800s acquired considerable territories in the west of Germany such as Kleve or Westphalia. Therefore they technically came from Prussia, although on the Western side of Germany.

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2009-04-03 14:36:00Z

David, I used the e-mail you sent me but as yet have
received no reply. Will advise if and when. Thanks again.

Lou
lrohe@att.net

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2009-03-27 01:59:29Z

Louis,

Try Thom.Jung@web.de, which must be her son or husband. I found this E-mail after searching the web for awhile. She is definitely in Germany. I hope they speak English. If not I might be able to help you put something together in broken German.

She has a databases of the Kleinwallstadt Rohe as well as the Gruenmorsbach Rohe. She might also have databases for Sulzbach am Main.

best wishes,

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2009-03-26 02:35:06Z

David,thanks for your prompt reply and for the info. I do have a photocopy of the marriage record but it is at my home
in Baltimore and I won't be back there until 6/1/09.
Can you tell me how I can contact Elizabeth Jung? Is she
here in the states?

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2009-03-26 01:53:40Z

It's nice to hear back from you, Louis.

I am sure the German state you ancesters are from is 'Bayern' or 'Baiern', which is the German spelling for Bavaria (or Bavaria is the English spelling for Bayern). 'Bauer' means farmer, but I really think 'Bauern' is a mispelling for 'Bayern'.

'Pulz' doesn't mean anything I can find in the dictionary. I wonder if it is really 'Sulz'. Sometimes the first capital letter is heavily stylized, which makes its reading difficult. 'Sulz' means salt, which is 'Salz' in modern german.

'Sulzbach' means 'salt-creek' since there was a salt spring there which allowed the locals to harvest the salt and sell it. The salt spring latter served as a spa

'Hai' means 'shark' but that doesn't fit. It might be 'Haus' which means 'house'. It might also be 'Hain' which means 'grove'.

I haven't been able to find that town or any similar spelling with Google maps. But many villages changed their names or spellings over time.

Have you seen the original marriage record or is this a transcription of the record? There is also a local dialect which is way different from proper modern German.

I think your family are still from Sulzbach a Main.

With the help of Josef Rohe we were able to trace our lineage in Gruenmorsbach, back a few generations. Debbie Rohe Alberts and I are related. Our original Rohe line comes from Kleinwallstadt as probably does yours as well.

There is a genealogist called Elisabeth Jung who has a complete genealogical database of the area. I wouldn't be surprised if she also has your Georg Rohe and Susan Dieter.

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2009-03-25 13:29:02Z

Hi David, I am back with another clue on George Rohe who we discussed before. I found that Georg Rohe and Susan Dieter
were married in St. Alphonsus Church in Baltimore, Md. in 1845. The church registry list him from PULZHAIS, BAUERN,
GERMANY. Would you have access to a map or index pinpointing
this location. Hopefully, whoever wrote it in the registry
got it correct. Thanks for your time.
Lou Rohe---- lrohe@att.net

Re: Calling all Rohes

missbeehavenagn — 2009-02-20 19:39:45Z

Hi Raymond,
I am so sorry that I never got this emailed to me, matter of fact I didn'tget any of them and I am a Ancestry member. Anyway, so glad to meet you cuz, yes we are cousins. My line is from John Jr. her brother. All of them are buried in St. Mary's Cemtery in menasha, WI. I would love to here from you, email me at
thebeeheaven@hotmail.com
I will also see if you have an email listed and send you one there too. Debbie Rohe Alberts

Re: Johanne (John) Rohe

grannieev — 2009-02-17 05:40:46Z

I am related to this line through my maternal g/mother to Valentine. There is a Jon Rohe in MN tracing this same line. Please email for his addy. Unfortunately, ALL my research records were lost years ago but Jon, who is 79, has quite a bit of info.

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

davidjroha — 2009-01-16 03:06:53Z

Lou,

I don't really know how you should proceed from here if you want to investigate your ancestry. I think the Diocese of Wuerzburg has all of the old church records on Microfilm, if you want to travel to Germany.

I'll tell you what my father did recently. He looked up all the Rohes in Gruenmorsbach on an online telephone directory. He mailed each one of them the same letter telling them he was interested in looking up his family genealogy.

He got a reply from a Josef Rohe who was also interested in his genealogy. He knew his aunt had done the family genealogy years ago and got a copy of the charts. Sure enough there was a Michael Rohe born about the same time as my ancestor, Son of Johann Rohe and Klara (Arnold) Rohe. Klara must have died in child birth. Johann remarried Magdalen and had another family from whom Josef was descended. So we were all related through the same great great great grandfather.

Its incredible the same Rohes were living in Gruenmorsbach at least 200 years. Maybe the same Rohe family has been living in Sulzbach for 200 years as well.

Just on a lark I looked up Rohe living in "Sulzbach a Main" in the phone directory (http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/). I found five of them.

Sincerely

David Roha

Re: Rohe pronounced Roy

louloloa — 2009-01-15 19:59:35Z

David, now I wished that I had taken German in school. It
looks like a great place for my Georg to be from. Maybe I
can find somebody to do a translation for me. A lot of history and thanks for sending it.
Please keep in touch.
Lou