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Edward Southwell (Trotter) Ruthven (1773-1836)

ventry_1 — 2012-05-15 22:38:00Z

Seeking descendants of Edward Southwell (Trotter) Ruthven (1773-1836) and Harriet Jane Price. Dau Maria Southwell Ruthven married George Matthews jnr. Descendants of son Charles who married Jane Lowry came to Australia and married into the Wilshire and Pitt families

Thanks,

Ventry

Re: Edwin Ruthven

MrsPolly — 2012-05-11 20:25:55Z

Hi Dave,

I am still here but it has been so long that I forgot I even posted that information. Glad is was of help to you. The book must have been really popular especially with those with Scottish ancestry as it was in my case.

Polly

Re: Edwin Ruthven

DaLong41 — 2012-05-10 23:21:51Z

I guess I have nothing further to offer but have the same puzzle regarding my gggrandfather Edwin Ruthven Long of Lockport, NY. Seeing as your post is over 8 years ago I'm not sure you'll view this belated response but just wanted to add my two cents. The name Ruthven was used several times in succeeding generations as a middle name in my family right down to my own brother using Van as his middle name based on the Ruthven of earlier times. Anyway..not sure why the Moms of long ago felt so inclined to name their sons after a fictional character from the Scottish Chiefs but it must have had quite an impact...eh?

Dave

Re: RUTHVEN in South Africa

protechgjr — 2012-01-31 18:57:32Z

Hi my name is Gerhardus Jakobus Ruthven, my father`s name was Georg Ruthven(died 1988)and his Father David Daniel Ruthven died a few years after.My father brother`s name are Dawie and Jhon(Moreletta Park,Nelspruit area).We grew up in Limpopo.
Hope it`s of any assistance.

Gerhard

William Ruthven - London 1787

1_pruthven — 2012-01-23 08:48:41Z

Hi,

I am looking for information about William Ruthven, possibly born in London, circa 1787. He was married to Kitty and came to Cape Town, South Africa in 1820 on the Duke of Marlborough.

He had the following children: William, George, John and Louisa (born in South Africa).

I wish to find out more information about William's lineage in the UK.

Thanks!

Re: Robert Ruthven

shoops151 — 2011-12-27 07:21:48Z

James- We are related- Most of my Family is in OR also- Eugene. It won't let me message u since I'm not a member- if u r message me.

Re: RUTHVEN in South Africa

1_marlaine — 2011-10-04 20:54:04Z

I am sure we are connected to the George Daniel Ruthven that you are enquiring about. he was married to Christina Greyvenstein/ van der Westhuizen.
They lived in Fairview Jeppe Johannesburg and had 8 children. I am the daughter of the second youngest daughter Barbara Gladys Ruthven (married Collins)
Please contact me on marlaine@capro.co.za
xx

Re: Ruthven

sherryrains52 — 2011-09-15 20:38:20Z

Start with Thor the Longus and his father Leofwine. That will get you to the 1000AD.

Re: RUTHEVN

sherryrains52 — 2011-09-15 20:35:41Z

Doug, I am so sorry that this is snail mail. However between my aunt and myself we have made that connection. As of this particular moment I am out of town and will be glad to send you what I have when I return. It is a shame the only names we could come up with were Robert and/or William.lol No originality. I am of the line of Edmund Ruffin III whose son George was my 3rd or 4th great-grandfather. Sorry I took so long. Sherry

Re: William Ruthven

cherylruthven — 2011-05-18 04:41:01Z

Hi Heather

That message about William Ruthven is very old, I have probably lots more information since then. I have noticed your name on Ancestry recently but not a lot of people make contact.

It gets confusing with the Mowat family as my husband great grandmother name was Isabella Mowat who married Gilbert Ruthven who had who had 8 children in New Zealand who came to Victoria Australia, and the other Mowat family who went to US. I speek to both Families via email. The second Mowat family was my husbands great Aunt Diana Donnelina Ruthven who married Arthur Ward Mowat in Victoria they then immigrated to Seattle.

I hope this is not to confusing, If you have any questions just email me.

Regards

Cheryl Ruthven

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

RobertShaver59 — 2011-05-17 23:37:54Z

both Robert and Alexander settled in Essa,Ontario,Canada I have George Ruthven marrying Anna Bell Crosley (Crosbie)
They would be my great grand parents
robert

Re: William Ruthven

heathermmowat26 — 2011-05-11 12:43:02Z

Cheryl I have information that links the two of us. My name is Heather Mowat and I am a descendant of George Mowat. I recently moved so I need to locate the box my genealogy file is in but I know we are related. This just blows me away the deeper into my search I go. Just when I am about to close out my browser because I am dummified from staring at post after post on every site under the sun BOOM! I come across one like yours:-] Please email me at heathermmowat26@yahoo.com or if you are on facebook please find me. I don't go on here regularly but I will be sure to keep checking back.

Maria Southwell Ruthven m. 1817 George Matthews Jnr. of Springvale, Ire.

ventry_1 — 2011-03-06 06:45:52Z

Maria Southwell Ruthven married George Matthews Jnr. of Springvale, Ireland in 1817. They had several children -
George, Edward m. Frances Jordan, William, Jane, Maria, Anne m. W.P.L. Bennett, Catherine, Hester m. J.E. Matthews, Georgina and Jemima.

Seeking information on this family.

Thanks,

Ventry

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

wileda — 2011-01-11 04:38:26Z

John Chisholm parents were John Chisholm and Amelia Flowers. John & Alexander were twin sons born the same year their father died - 1805. They were the only children of John & Amelia. The Ruthven line is on my side and yes Joe (Joseph)had two daughters.

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

wileda — 2011-01-11 04:03:20Z

Edith Manning who married Irvin Guinty was a sister to William Manning who married Camma Booth, their daughter Helen was my mother, Wilma Manning Miller is my aunt. Wilma was the one who did all the research in Scotland. Go back and read my post of 2007. You can reach me at wiledaj@Gmail.com.

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

dawson6311 — 2011-01-06 04:15:47Z

I have since discovered that there are several Sime Ruthven's. William Manning and Margaret Beere were my ggggrandparents, Edith Manning was my gggrandmother. She married Irvin Guinty, and their son, Walter Guinty, was my grandfather. Do you have any other information on Ann Ruthven, or her parents? I cannot find any resources that can connect Ann to Sime Ruthven as her father. I would really appreciate any help. Thanks, K.

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

wileda — 2011-01-06 02:22:47Z

Wilma Manning Miller has done a lot of research on the Manning line and has shared her research with me. Wilma was the daughter of William Manning & Camma Lucretia Booth, grandaughter of William Manning & Margaret Beere, gr-gramdaughter of Ann Ruthven/Charles Beere. Her research done in Scotland shows that Sime did have children.

Re: Sime Ruthven

dawson6311 — 2011-01-01 21:01:40Z

Hi Janice, we communicated a while back about Sime Ruthven and his daughter Anne? I found a little more info on Anne:
Dec. 2, 1844, Mr. Beere was united in marriage to Miss Annie Ruthven, who was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, Aug. 27, 1820, and came to New York in 1838 with a sister, her parents having died when she was a child. We couldn't find which Sime she came from. Have you found anything yet? Thanks, Kathleen C.

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

dawson6311 — 2010-12-08 02:08:17Z

I've read through the Ruthven papers, and it states that Sime Ruthven has no descendants (on a chart,pg 60). Is this the same line?

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

dawson6311 — 2010-12-07 02:19:47Z

Thankyou for this information. Charles Beere and Ann Ruthven were my ggggrandparents on my father's side. Their daughter, Margaret Beere married William Manning, and their daughter's name was Edith. She married Irvin Guinty, my ggrandfather. Do you have anymore information on this line?

Re: RUTHVEN/RUFFIN

dktumlinson56 — 2010-12-05 21:06:58Z

They are the same family. William Ruthven came to Virginia in the mid-16th century and changed his name to Ruffin. There is a portrait of him, that he brought with him at the time.

Re: Ruthven Papers and books

dktumlinson56 — 2010-12-05 21:04:24Z

A lot of the papers are in the National Archives of Australia. Also, many are in the Archives of Scotland.

Re: Ruthven

elaine5521 — 2010-11-17 16:26:13Z

Which of his children do you decent from?

Re: Ruthven

CarlosHonorLarmond — 2010-11-13 00:07:59Z

Edwin Volney Ruthven is my Great great great great grandfather.

Re: RUTHEVN

dougharris66 — 2010-10-25 18:55:39Z

Sherry,

Hello, I have been tracing the lineage of my Grandfather, James Floyd Ruffin, of Hugo, Oklahoma. Read your post on the Ruthven/Ruffin conncection and wanted to see if you have any information that may be of benefit to my search.

Here is what I have so far:

My Grandfather was James Floyd Ruffin, his Father was James Tebe Ruffin, his Father was James Johnson Ruffin, his Father was William Whitmel Ruffin, his Father was James T. Ruffin, his Father was William Ruffin (1735 - 1813), his Father William Ruffin(1708 - 1781), his Father was William Ruffin (1683 - 1739), his Father was Robert Ruffin (1646 - 1694), whose Father was William Ruffin (1617 - 1674; I believe this is the William Ruffin who escaped England on the ship Assurance in 1635 and may be the descendant you mentioned in your post), I go back further but the last name I listed is where it get's a little confusing. Have you been able to trace William Ruffin (1617 - 1674) back to William Ruthven II (1528 - 1584)? There seems to be a skip in the generation, perhaps William Ruthven II had a Son by the name of William Ruthven, whose Son William Ruffin fled to Virginia in 1635?

I have been unable to make appropriate connection between William Ruthven and William Ruffin.

Any information you would be willing to share is appreciated and I will reciprocate with the research I have.

Thank you,

Doug Harris

Re: Ruthven

elaine5521 — 2010-09-23 01:07:30Z

Sylvia, I guess we must be cousins as my gg-grandparents are Edwin Volney RUTHVEN & Phoeba Lagrand PARKER.
I have his death record and his parents are listed as William Ruthven & Prudence Jones. That is all I know about those two.
There are many Ruthvens looking out there, but none can find anything about them.

Re: Ruthven Papers and books

ElaineHales62 — 2010-09-22 00:16:55Z

Col. Edwin Volney RUTHVEN b.)24 Feb. 1824 Bowling Green, KY.
d.)01 Aug. 1917 Lee Co., TX.
He married: Fybia Lagrand PARKER b.)24 July 1835 Verville, Warren Co., TN. d.)18 April 1920 Lee Co., TX.

I am looking for info. on Edwin Ruthven's parents:
William Ruthven married Prudence Jones. That is all that was on Edwin's death record.

Re: Ruthvens of Perth and Dundee

mervally99 — 2010-07-10 21:36:11Z

Hello Robin,

I know it is seven years since you posted this message and I can only hope you still receive notification of any replies.
John and Christina are my 5x Great Grand parents.
Can you tell me your connection?

Mark Whitton.

Ruthvens in Ontario

bruthvenb — 2010-05-25 03:38:38Z

Looking for information on Hugh Ruthven who emigrated to New York about 1819 and shortly after moved to Elgin, Ontario.

Thanks,
Beth

Re: Ruthven/Ruffin

sherryrains52 — 2010-05-18 02:27:11Z

I have researched the Ruthven/Ruffin line and I have found a direct line from Leofwine born 1000 A.D. father of Thor the Longus, Lord of Tippermuir and superior Lord of the lands of Crawford was the father of Swain (Swane, called Succones) Would love to hear from you Sherry Dixon Rains

Re: RUTHEVN

sherryrains52 — 2010-05-18 02:20:55Z

I am a descendant of William Ruthven who changed his last name to Ruffin to evade capture by the English. I have been able to trace the Ruthven/Ruffin line back as far as the year 1000A.D. Leofwine was the father of, Thor the Longus, Lord of Tippermuir and superior Lord of the lands of Crawford. Swain(Swane, called Succonus) was the son of Thor. I have a direct line from there to today. THat is over 1000 years. Would love to hear from you Sherry Dixon
Rains.

Re: Clifton Ruthven

OuidyBird — 2009-11-30 03:54:20Z

Have you found any info yet? He is a distant cousin and I could do some research in this area if you have any other info.

Ruthven's

JBohr — 2009-11-30 02:37:40Z

Hi Jim,
I am your cousin Jean Ruthven (Bohr)
I live in Oregon City
Please call me and we can get together.(503 723-8888)
I'm retired so I am home.
Jo Anne lives in Milwaukie.
JoAnne and I have been doing geneology
so we can fill you in on our family.

Looking forward to seeing you.
Jean

Re: Robert Ruthven

jamesruthven — 2009-11-29 14:44:37Z

Hello!

I am the son of Glen Ruthven. I have no information on my family. My father never talked about his famly. I knew my uncles Bob and Orville, but not very well. I only saw my aunt Lucille once or twice in my life. We were not a close family. Though my grandmother lived near by in Junction City, Oregon, I did not know her well either. I never met my grandfather. I believe that he died of alcohalism before I was born.

James Ruthven
Portland, Oregon

Re: searching for Ruthven link in Scotland

fiesej11 — 2009-10-02 04:14:18Z

I am also searching for information on the same Ruthven family. The only difference I had was Margaret's name was Wotherspoon. Have you found any information yet? Would you please contact me at my private email - jfiese@gmail.com? If you are searching for this family, then we are most likely from the same line.

Jackie Fiese

Re: Ruthven

Sylvia_Kenner — 2009-06-19 01:17:48Z

The Ruthven name in my family begins with my great grandmother, who was Sallie Annette Ruthven, married to George Ruthven. George's Father was Edwin Volney Ruthven, and mother was Fybia LeGrand Parker. Family legend has it that Edwin's father's name was William, and was born in Scotland. I've searched for some time, and not found much information. My great grandmother's bible says his wife's name was Prudence and last name looks like Jones (not an easy name to trace either!)Do you have any information about any of these people.

Re: RUTHVEN

rde456001 — 2009-06-17 03:58:57Z

To Isaac van Rensburg,
I saw your query on ancestry.com. I am also a decendant of Johannes Marthinus Koorts and Anna Susanna Fourie. My grandmother was Carolina Wilhelmina Christina Koorts born in 1887. Sy was married to George Ruthven Conradie.
David Daniêl Ruthven was the son of George Ruthven born London 1817 hy was married to Engela Maria Koorts
George Ruthven the son of William Ruthven born in Londodn about 1787 ist marriage unknown. George was his 2nd son from his 1st marriage.Igf you have any more info please share it with me.

Re: Sime Ruthven

Ruthveniona — 2009-04-27 00:17:55Z

By the way, sorry launching vaguely into a response to you I think i may be looking at a different Sime and James Ruthven, born, 1775, and July 22nd 1776 respectively, their father remarried, and had eight or nine children..is this the same branch or a different one? thanks look forward to hearing from you! iona

Re: Sime Ruthven

Ruthveniona — 2009-04-27 00:09:48Z

Hello Janice,

I am currently studying a short course with the Open University - start writing Family History - and came across your posting about Sime Ruthven. i just wanted to say that I will be taking up searching the Ruthven line, but was interested in researching something about Alexander John Ruthven the well known printer who was a half-brother of Sime and James Ruthven. I am descended from Sime's brother anyway. James Ruthven, Sime's brother is my great great great grandfather, i think, not my grandfather or my great grandfather nor yet my great great grandfather, but my great great grandfather's father. How on earth do you find more about Sime Ruthven, like how did you know he moved to Hull, that's the sort of detail, i couldn't imagine being easy to find....Good to be in touch with you. Iona22@ntlworld.com. Will let you know how i progress and if i can find out any information for you. ..my father was born in 1911, i was born in 1967, he died in 93 so, that will makes things more difficult..

John Lovie/Cargill

janiceruthven — 2009-02-04 19:36:33Z

looking for any info on John Lovie born 1901 in Inverurie, was illegitimate son of Mary Mcleod. Mary later married James Cargill and moved to edinbugh, they had 2 others children.
or be interested in anyone searching Cargill from Inverurie line

Sime Ruthven

janiceruthven — 2009-02-04 19:31:56Z

looking for any info on Sime Ruthven c1836 married mary ann milne believe in edinbugh. had 3 children John, James and Sime. John Ruthven is my husbands great grandfather, I have done a lot of research on ruthven line through lord ruthven of ruthven castle back to thor but now looking for more info on generations. I know John was born in edinburgh, the family must then have moved to Hull as James was born there but moved back to edinburgh before sime was born.there is no one now alive in our family to relate any personnal info and we have no photos, can anyone throw any light on anything else eg why did they move to Hull, they are the only realtives of our line who ever left scotland!
or would be interested to hear from anyone tracing ruthven line

James Alexander Ruthven

rosecolorsunset — 2008-12-24 00:40:53Z

James Alexander Ruthven

(came across his name in a U.S. record)

Re: James Ruthven from Edinburgh

Indego3 — 2008-11-20 02:57:39Z

Wileda,

I have been trying to figure out how these Ruthven's tie into our Chisholm's. Can you help?

Nancy-a descendant of Murdock Chisholm
Indego3@aol.com

Re: Ruthven

RobertShaver59 — 2008-10-04 20:20:37Z

I have been researching My Ruthven heritage for about tem years and have uncovered considerable information however much of it conflicting with each other . I would be pleased to get information on the Ruthven’s in Scotland.
Hears what I have the I feel confident about:

Robert Ruthven born 1777 married Margaret Thompson 1 July 1798 was a weaver in Glasgow moved to Canada on ship David leaving Glasgow 19 May 1821 with wife and four sons Robert, Alexander, George and William leaving behind John who I believe married Margaret Bernie.

I have copies of three letters to Robert Ruthven addressed Dear uncle, Glasgow 15 April 1842 requesting information about the new country (Canada) it goes on to state she married a William McGregor form Stirling 15 years past stating she had eight children of which 3 died It appears by the letter her sister Margaret, brother John died leaving only herself and brother Peter also mentioned is Margaret Turner, who married John Alexander of Sterling

Letter #2 dated 24 August 1842 Requesting additional information about (Canada) Cost of living, etc. talks of Margaret Turner , John Birnie, Margaret John being a salesman in spirits Talks of Roberts sister Margaret’s son Henry Paterson and his sister Mary residing in Tollcross. Mary is married to William McBride with family of eleven, ten living she further states Margaret is married a second time to an Irishman, William Shanks and is residing in the east end of Gallowgate. Margaret Slon is married to a surgeon and moved to America about 4 years ago

Letter #3 Tollcross Sept 17 1849 addressed to dear Aged Uncle and Aunt
Your brother George Tomson died some years ago. His son Alexander listed and went away, William Thompson died two years back of fever. My mother
(Mary Ruthven) died 8 years past, her sister Lile died 5 years before my mother and her son Peter at the same time. Margaret Turner, her daughter, was married to John Alexander he had money and property but lost 300 pounds by chasinaman. He died and she is living with sons John and Peter Alexander. Her brother John Turner is in Insbrick and owns a large spirit seler. William Mgour and Janet Ruthven send respects. Your sister Margret Ruthven was married to William Montieth, he went away to America on year 23 and took two children with him. He left Margaret Slon upon the cares of this world, but God was with her. She learned the steam loom weaving and continued till she was 17 years. Her father returned found her and gave her a good education My sister Margaret Paterson died of cholera along with her son Robert, William and his wife and child all with in 3 days. I know this is a lengthy document but I’m in hopes some names well ring a cord. I have Para phased much of the letters concentrating on people.
Robert Shaver

Re: searching for Ruthven link in Scotland

Illi1955 — 2008-04-07 01:23:37Z

I HAVE NO IFORMATION RE: IF JOHN HAD A BROTHER IN SCOTLAND IN 1793. THE JOHN IN OUR LINE WAS BORN IN GLASGOW IN 1753. THE WILL HE HAD WRITTEN IN 1833. WAS WHEN HE WAS IN NEW YORK. THE WILL STATED HE HAD A SISTER MARION ANNE RESIDING IN SCOTLAND IN 1833. OUR JOHN'S WIFE WAS MARGARET WITHERSPOON.
ARE YOU IN SCOTLAND?
THANKS,
K. RUTHVEN WEIDEN

Re: searching for Ruthven link in Scotland

Sylvia_Kenner — 2008-04-06 20:14:13Z

I too have some Ruthven information US. But am looknig for William Ruthven born, per our understanding, in Scotland, around 1793. We think his wife was Prudence Jones. I'm afraid I have no information for John (William and John how lucky are we to be searching for such common names!!!. I'll be glad to post anything I find.

searching for Ruthven link in Scotland

Illi1955 — 2008-03-17 00:26:44Z

I have my Ruthven family information for in the states. Looking for the link to Scotland-John Ruthven b. 1753.
He had a sister Marion Ann ruthven.

Eliza Ruthven

eliza49 — 2007-12-20 01:17:49Z

My name is Eliza Jane Gowrie Ruthven.
It was my great grandmother's name.
I was born in Melbourne, Victory, Australia.
1993.

Re: Eliza Ruthven

lisaking9158 — 2007-11-03 02:00:57Z

Sue - WHat you saw is what I have. I just got started on this whole genealogy thing. My greatgrandfather was Clarence Oscar Morgey, married to Sara Matilda Wilbur. HOwever, my mother is trying to get pictures from Clarence's last living child (her uncle George Morgey). So I may have stuff to share in the future. How are we related. Anything you have to share would be appreicated. Do you have info on Edwin Ruthven's parents? Or Eliza Redner (his wife's)????

Thanks

Lisa King
Jacksonville, FL

Re: Eliza Ruthven

sooz28 — 2007-11-02 18:40:42Z

I looked at your postings on the Morgey family and our Eliza's are the same. Sadie Morgey, her daughter, was my grandfather's sister. I have a lot of info on family. Do you have any? I would be glad to share any I have. You can email privately (sooz28@yahoo.com).

Sue Wilbur