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Re: Samuel "S." Truby b. 1847 Armstrong Co., Pa.

emhanna_1 — 2011-10-29 18:08:26Z

This would be Samuel Neal Truby born in 1847 and died in 1898. He is my Great Grandfather. He is buried in St. Mark's Luthern Cemetery in Springdale, PA--(literally) at gate of West Penn Power generating plant. I have a picture of his tombstone (see attachment). Two of the children (Arthur; Adda) share the tombstone. The 1850 census (attached) shows Samuel as a 3-year-old in William and Christiania Truby family. (Photo of William Truby and Christiania (Heilman)Truby tombstone attached.)

Samuel's wife was Elizabeth Jane Bruce (born Nov. 1852). It is unclear where she is buried--and whether she is buried near Samuel. 1870 Census (attached) shows Elizabeth Jane Bruce (18 years old) living with John Hileman (likely "Heilman") family in Manor, Armstong County, PA. Samuel and Elizabeth had 9 children, one of which was my Grandmother, Mary Minerva (Truby) Hanna. I have a list of the other children. Another of the children, Emma M. (Truby) Mahaffey is buried in the same cemetery.

Samuel Neal Truby (b. 1847) line is as follows:

William Truby (b. 1812)
John Henry Truby (b. 1784)
Michael Truby (b. 1762)
Col. Christopher Truby (b. 1736)
Christopher Truby (aka Trubar) (b. 1701 in Switzerland)

Re: Truby

slarsen54 — 2011-09-09 13:26:53Z

I read one of your older post and am needing some help with my Truby tree. I am related to John's(born 1742) daughter Ann born 1766 who married James Westfall. Is there a web site or family tree that I can get the correct dates for John's parents? Also I would like information about Ester Westfall.

Thanks for any help-Susan

Re: Truby Families with heredity diseases

msparker505 — 2011-09-01 23:45:27Z

Thank you for your reply. My Whitman's were also in Bucks Co., PA before moving the VA now part of WV. I am looking for Info. on diseases that may have come from Jacob Stalnaker who married Maria Elizabeth Truby. They were the parents of Katherine Stalnaker White Whitman (she was a widow by White). She married abt. 1781 to Matthew Whitman they had 3 children I know of. Their son George moved to Indiana abt. 1830. Their 2 daughter stayed in VA and married. George is my line.

Re: Truby Families with heredity diseases

SarahWalls70 — 2011-09-01 01:00:06Z

My line from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, has breast cancer as a family disease.

Truby Families with heredity diseases

msparker505 — 2011-08-31 23:46:59Z

Look for heredity disease in the family. Especially those with ties to Stalnaker family.

Re: Truby family from London

goldrink — 2011-08-13 19:49:14Z

I have very little to go on. My great grand mother was known as Ethel Fanny and her daughter was Ruth Mott (Truby)

Re: Truby family from London

MichelleNoe — 2011-08-13 09:16:06Z

Hi,

I have an Ethel Mary Truby on my tree, born 1882, would this fit? Her father was Thomas Truby, born approx 1840 in St Dunstans, London, lived in Clapham for a while in the early 1880s, and died in Caterham, Surrey on 27 July 1924. He was a Bank Clerk. (in 1883 at the time of Thomas' mother's death, he was living in Sibella Road, Clapham - do you know if this was where your Ethel was born?)

My Ethel had an older brother Thomas, and younger siblings Hilda and George. George died in Belgium in WW1. I don't know of any of the generations beyond that.

Ethel would have been my great grandfather's first cousin. His name was Arthur Bumpus as his mother Emily Truby married Thomas King Bumpus.

If any of this fits, please let me know.
Regards,
Michelle

Re: Truby family from London

MichelleNoe — 2011-08-13 08:49:44Z

Hi,

I'm not sure if I got in contact a while back when you send this message to me. I was busy moving house and didn't get a chance to do much family history for a while.

Do you know much about your Truby family? It's such a rare name that chances are your family is connected to mine somewhere along the line. I have details of the Truby generations born in the 1830s/40s and then their children in the 1880s but nothing beyond that. If you or your family can trace your family back to then, we can see if it's linked. I have a Charles, Elizabeth, Frederick, and Eliza in the 1840s and Thomas, Hilda, Ethel and George. They all stayed in London as far as I can see, in the following areas: Clapham, Caterham, Finsbury Park.

If anything seems to fit, please let me know and we can piece it all together.

Going back further, I have a Thomas Truby who married a Mary Richardson, they lived in Stepney, and before that a Thomas Truby who was probably a mariner who married a Sarah.

Regards,
Michelle

Re: Truby family from London

goldrink — 2011-07-06 03:00:01Z

I too am a Truby my Great grandmothers name was Ethel

Re: Truby family from London

emilytruby — 2011-05-05 14:28:56Z

Hi,

My name is also Truby and im also interested in this as you dont come across many Trubys do you!

Re: Drube / Drübe

inkinmama — 2011-04-20 13:03:43Z

Hey everyone!

Just got an email from the lady in Switzerland. It's just like Wolfgang said, the accent mark just indicates it's a u, it doesn't translate to an umlaut, and there is a Canton Trub near Bern.

Sarah, the archives are in Harrisburg, PA. I've scanned a copy of the signature. Does anyone want just that? I'll scan the rest of the documents when I get back, my scanner is a little better than my mom's.

Re: Drube / Drübe

inkinmama — 2011-04-18 15:08:55Z

Ed,

Thanks so much for your offer to help. It's really not a big deal, since we're so close to all of the sources for the original. I can scan the copies I have and email them to everyone, no problem at all! I'll be scanning and sending them to a friend that has two friends that can read the old german, and they'll try to help with the exact spelling of the name.

There is also a library not far from our home that has the records of several of the german churches in the area on file that haven't been digitized. I'm going to comb through those as well to see if we've got any baptisms or other marriages. I'll keep you all posted.

Does anyone have copies of any of the family bibles?

Rebecca

Re: Drube / Drübe

EdFincke42 — 2011-04-18 12:30:02Z

Yes , please . I would also like a copy posted . I would like to help if you are incurring large expenses .
regards , Ed Fincke

Drube / Drübe

Wolfgang2162001 — 2011-04-18 07:12:24Z

An accent mark can signal an umlaut, but there is another accent. The other one signal, that the letter is an "u" and it is not a "n".

To have a copy would be interesting.

Re: Christoffel (Christopher) Drube

SarahWalls70 — 2011-04-16 14:08:14Z

Rebecca, Where are the Archives? What city and state? Thank you. Sarah

Re: Christoffel (Christopher) Drube

SarahWalls70 — 2011-04-16 13:30:38Z

Yes, that translates to an umlaut. Which means that in Europe his name was pronounced differently.

I would love to have a copy! How do I get one?

Re: Trube

SarahWalls70 — 2011-04-16 13:02:09Z

Rebecca, Thank you! Researchers have been working for almost 100 years on the Drube/Truby family and YOU are the first person apparently who actually bothered to look at the original documents. Thank you!

Re: Christoffel (Christopher) Drube

inkinmama — 2011-04-16 12:04:46Z

Well, it looks like Drube with an accent mark over the u. Does that translate to an umlaut? I don't know that mauch about it.

Does anyone wnat a copy?

Re: Trube

EdFincke42 — 2011-04-16 10:49:38Z

Great stuff ! There is nothing like sourcing an original record . Congratulations !

Christoffel (Christopher) Drube

WGFGER — 2011-04-16 09:55:43Z

I guess, his name was Drube and not Drübe (= Druebe).

Re: Trube

inkinmama — 2011-04-16 04:45:05Z

We went to the archives today! I have copies of two documents that Christofell signed - yes, he could write! It looks like he signed his last name as Drúbe. Someone that knows old german is going to do me a favor and try to read it. I'm just looking at an Old German Script guide right now.

Re: Truby & Lauffer Descendants 1749 West.PA

MHCL64 — 2011-04-14 22:52:42Z

I have John Truby (reference the end of your first paragraph) as b: 18 AUG 1772 and d: 20 AUG 1854 m: Magdelena Reamer b: 1774 d: 20 AUG 1856. Their children are Elizabeth b: 24 JAN 1798, Henry b: 06 AUG 1800, William b: 1802, George b: 1804, Simon b: 27 SEP 1806, John b: 1808, and Marshall b: 1819.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-27 22:52:45Z

I remember that you had mentioned that. So we can say that they had at least seven children, and it looks like Catharine was the oldest. I got a lead on another church that they may have gone to, so I'm going to track down the records of that one.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-27 22:10:34Z

I've seen families from Switzerland (remember that John Christopher and Maria Catharine were both born in Switzerland) where every daughter was named Catharine but had a different second name, ie Maria Catharine, Anna Catharine, Dorothea Catharine, etc. I believe the younger children mentioned in Christopher Truby Sr's will were his children still remaining at home at the time he wrote the will. Any older children most likely had gotten married and were given a sizeable wedding gift upon their marriage. Only the younger siblings needed to be raised up and cared for until they came of age or got married.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-27 20:54:10Z

Okay, we think we may have solved a mystery, but started a new one. It looks like Catherine may have been the oldest child, older than the Christopher Truby born abt. 1736. Church records show that Catherine Drub married Joseph Pancake on August 21, 1753. I've found a couple of different birthdates for her, anywhere from 1732 to 1735. The Catherine mentioned in the Orphan's court proceedings must have been a younger sibling? Theories anyone?

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-26 00:58:19Z

It looks like they fined him, so I'm assuming yes.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-26 00:09:49Z

Do the court records say he was found guility?

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-25 23:47:44Z

Hey Sarah!

I don't know what Jost was up to, but they went to court several times, and they finally arrested him in 1758 for non-payment of the estate. The Sheriff in Phila. County brought him in!

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-25 23:31:32Z

Oh yes Kelly, we looked at every spelling variation we could think of. It's spelled "Panchoke" on all of the estate papers, and we did find some deed transfers of Pfannekucha. We're going to keep digging. Email me, I'd love to chat with you more!

inkinmama@gmail.com

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-25 22:40:16Z

Oh I envy you getting to actually go to Bucks Co. Christopher and Maria Catharine Truby were probably literate but did not know the King's English or at least how to read and write it. I wish there were more information about the estate and what happened there. Jost Pfannekucken/Pancake's son Joseph was married to Christopher and Maria Catharine's daughter Catharine in 1753 at the Indianfield Lutheran Church. I wouldn't think he would try to cheat the Truby's. He often acted as an executer of estates. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

gkm19 — 2011-03-25 22:26:17Z

In further research re: the fellow who was Truby's administrator , be sure to check the English surname translation: PANCAKE.

See "Genealogical Data Relating to the German Settlers of Pennsylvania and Adjacent Territory (from Advertisements in German Newspapers Published in Philadelphia and Germantown 1743-1800)" by Edward W. Hocker (ISBN 0-8063-0878-8)

p. 41; 16 Jun 1754; Jost Pfannekuchen gives notice that those who bought goods at vendue of property of the late Christofel Trube, of Hilltown Twp., Bucks Co., should make payment.

p. 75; 5 Jan 1757; Jost Pfannekuchen, of Franconia Twp., Philadelphia Co. [now Montgomery] offers a plantation for sale in Hilltown Twp., Bucks Co., the former property of the late Christofel Drubi. p. 91;

Note: Advertisements originally published in 'Pennsylvanische Geschichts-Schreiber' by Christopher Sauer (Saur, Sower). The paper's name was later changed to 'Pennsylvanische Berichte'.

NB: These are the only mentions of Pfannekuchen or Drubi or variations thereof in this reference."

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

gkm19 — 2011-03-25 22:16:47Z

Great news about your research! Do keep us all posted!

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-25 21:48:30Z

Just got back from the Bucks County courthouse! We saw Christoher Truby's will (yes, the actual document). He didn't sign it himself, just made his mark, so we're not sure if he was too sick to sign it, or if he wasn't literate. I guess we'll find out when we head to the archives on Monday. We made a copy of the will, Catharine Truby's renunciation of her appointment as an executrix, and the inventory of the estate. Cataharine made her mark too, so we're assuming she wasn't literate. We also made a copy of the court proceedings surrounding the disposition of the estate. Quite an interesting read. Apparently Jost/Yost Pannekuchen/Panchoke, the executor, didn't pay poor Catharine or the kids any monies from the estate for over three years! It went back and forth and they finally had him arrested. A 1750's soap opera for sure! We then tried to locate the deed for the property, but couldn't so we suspect that it was a land grant and we'll have to go to Philly or the archives for that. I made copies of everything.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-22 14:24:10Z

I recall Doug Stewart saying the passenger list on the Britannia read like a "Who's Who" for the Drube/Truby neighbors and Doug's family tree.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-22 14:01:48Z

Yep, he sure did!

I thought I had book marked the page for Drube, but now I can't find it. I'll keep looking

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-21 22:25:01Z

What was the birth date for John Christoph Drube of Kassel, Germany?

So Louis Timothee came over on the Britannia Sep 21 1731 with Christoph Drube and Maria Catharine?

Re: Trube

EdFincke42 — 2011-03-21 22:20:25Z

Thank you ed

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-21 22:16:39Z

Hi Kelly!

How funny that you popped on here! I had been all over your website for half of last week looking for clues. I'm descended through Christopher & Sybilla's son Jacob. I did some more digging today and found out that some of the Huguenots fled to Kassel, and there seems to be Drubes in some of the birth records there, one of which is a John Christoph. Maybe a cousin or nephew??

I'll make sure you get a copy of the oath and will to put on the website!

Fun fact - did you know our family came over on the boat with the first U.S. librarian, Louis Timothee?

Rebecca

Re: Trube

inkinmama — 2011-03-21 22:07:44Z

Ed this was the Oath of Allegiance, not the passenger list. If they were able to write, they signed it. If not, someone signed it for them. I'll make sure you get a copy!

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

EdFincke42 — 2011-03-21 21:29:53Z

FTDNA has a new non male , non female test , that is ; its tests the regular autosomal DNA from body cells for $ 289.
I have taken it to research my Truby related family and have received ten responses , but no immediate cousins closer than 3rd cousin .
When anyone joins this data base , they are compared against all tested . Read their explanation to see if you are interested .
Ed Fincke , ggrandson of Mary Ann Truby 1825-1903

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-21 21:21:46Z

Hello Kelly, I am from Ohio also, I was born near Chillicothe, Ohio, in Ross Co. On Owl Creek Road. Another thing about changing of names. Many researchers who are for instance looking for the name Truby, when they see it as Drube they take it upon themselves to change the Drube in the record to Truby! which really messes it up for those of us trying to be accurate. An example is my last name of Walls. Walls was originally Wall in early America, but modern day researches insist upon adding the "s" on the end. And modern day Truby researchers seem unable to expand their thinking to understand that the Truby name was Drube and possibly even Druijff Traub. Some think Christopher Truby Sr to be illiterate but perhaps it was just that he spoke and read/wrote only German, Dutch, Swiss and French and wasn't that good at early American. I've read at least one report from a Marshall/Truby researcher who said even John Christopher Truby Jr spoke with a thick accent. Doesn't mean he was illiterate or uneducated but simply not that familiar with early American "English". wonderful to hear from you. Sarah

Re: Trube

gkm19 — 2011-03-21 00:21:40Z

German vs. French!

I haven't yet had time to read back through all the prior postings, but the strong tradition of the family of Col. Christopher Truby of Greensburg (died 1802) was that his family were Huguenots (French Protestants) who had to leave France after the Edict of Nantes was revoked in 1695--its revocation made Protestantism illegal. If the family went to Switzerland or Germany (I've heard both) and then on to Pennsylvania, it would make sense that German was understood and spoken by them, over time. The family of Col. Christopher Truby in Greensburg PA certainly were part of the German-speaking community there, although he also spoke English well enough to be part of the English-speaking county and military establishments in Westmoreland County.

I'm very interested in any new research which may document the European roots of the Truby family--please keep us all posted!

Kelly Marshall
Boardman, Ohio
(Descendant of Catharina Truby Rohrer Marshall, daughter of Col. Christopher Truby of Greensburg)

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

gkm19 — 2011-03-21 00:11:38Z

Hello Sarah and Rebecca!

I've just seen your series of posts and I'm very interested in this research. I'm a descendant of Christopher and Sybilla Bauman Truby through their oldest daughter-of-record, Catharina Truby Rohrer Marshall (abt. 1764-1806). See this URL for a still-under-construction site about the Trubys: http://one-huge-family.com/id15.html

Please keep me posted on your research "going back". I've always assumed that there were more children in the original immigrant family and that we've not yet located the records. I envy you the chance to do research on site! Here are some things which came to mind as I read the several posts:

Surname spelling: In the 1806 Greensburg PA record of the baptism of Catharina's Marshall children, the surname was transliterated as "Drube" with an umlaut (a pair of dots (¨) above a vowel)--not sure what that means regarding pronunciation, since I know no German or Pennsylvania German at all. Re: the spelling, in 1806 both Catharina and her father Christopher were Pennsylvania-born, so I'm guessing that Drube (PA German) and Truby (English) had been pretty much set by then.

Baptismal names: the custom of many continental and immigrant Christians who baptized babies was to give two "first" names--a Baptismal Name (JOHN Christopher Truby), often named for a family member or a saint; the child would not have been called JOHN, but the baptismal record would name him John Christopher. And the second name was a Call Name--the name the child would be called. So John CHRISTOPHER Truby would have been called Christopher by his parents and friends. And the more "English" the community became, the more likely all the records would be Christopher Truby, and the 'John' forgotten.

I look forward to further posts--thanks for sharing your work and thoughts in this forum.

Kelly Marshall
Boardman, Ohio

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-19 21:36:00Z

One other thing I learned about Swiss family naming patterns. I do not know if this applies to every Swiss family or only some. But they name all their girls Catharine and then add a different first name like Maria Catharine, or Anna Catharine, or Dorothea Catharine. And they name all their boys John but give them a second name too, such as John Christopher, John David, John Michael, etc.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-19 20:48:52Z

Sarah - I'll be viewing the original Oath. It's my understanding that reading the old german style of writing lead to many misspellings on the transcripts, which is where it's listed as Trewbey. I have someone out in WI that has promised to have an expert look at the copy of the original and try to translate it for us. I'm just hoping he was able to write and he was the one that signed it! I'll be checking out the Naturalization as well, so we'll have two shots at a signature. The suspense is killing me!

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-19 20:41:53Z

Rebecca, Only men were required to take the Oath of Allegiance so you most likely won't find Maria Catharine or any children listed. And the last name was misspelled Trewbey I believe. Also on lists of ships passengers, they often did not list young children, so there could have been children accompanying Maria and Christopher. If they had been married for almost 10 years (not impossible at their ages of 29 and 30) perhaps they already had some children or the children came by ship at a later date. That was sometimes done. Another thought came to me: If Christopher and Maria Catharine were indeed Jews, they may not have been allowed to have children or even get married before coming to America. There were some countries who did not allow Jews to have children or to marry without permission from the government. I'm so glad you are doing this research and have help from others. This is exciting! Sarah

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-19 20:29:50Z

Great minds think alike Sarah! I was wondering why they didn't have children until 1736 as well (I even thought it might be an arranged marriage and they hated each other the first few years, ha ha). I'm hoping the Oath of Allegiance may be the key. It wasn't a list someone else put together, it was something they actually had to sign if they were able. For the same reason, I'm going up to see the will - I'll be able to actually see the original document, not microfilm. How exciting is that?! Don't worry, I'll make plenty of copies! The only concern I have about the church records is that they don't start until 1743. I did see someone mention in their family line a Marie Elizabeth that was born in 1733, so she may be a possibility for an earlier child.

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-19 20:15:54Z

Oh Rebecca--a person after my own heart. I agree it is time to try to go backward. I will email you the file that I have for the Truby family. Another person told me several years ago that a book was written about the Truby family by someone from the family from Cincinnati, Ohio, that said the Truby family is of Spanish origin. Here is something I would love to have. A copy of the pages which list any of the Truby/Trub/Trubi as sponsors at a birth or baptism in the Tohickon Church. Since Maria Catharine and Johann (Hans) Christofel Drube/Truby Sr arrived in 1731, it is noted that they were 29 and 30 years of age at that time. I'm wondering if they had other children that we have not listed before, and if those earlier children are possibly listed in the church records of the Tohickon church where you have contact with the pastor. I'm guessing that these earlier children might be the ones who were sponsored by Christopher Sr and Maria Catharine when the babies were baptized in the church. After all they arrived in 1731. I now a great many Truby researchers try to say that the only children are the ones listed in Christopher Sr's will. But I think that he named the young children still at home, who needed to be taken care of, and the older children were already married and gone from home. They probably received a large money gift upon their marriage and did not need to be listed in his will. Why would they not have had children before John Christopher Truby Jr born 1736. I will email you the file that I have. I hope you have great success. Please let me know what you learn in your research. Thank you so much. Sarah

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

inkinmama — 2011-03-19 19:43:47Z

Thanks for responding Sarah! I'd love to see the email. I was on the phone today with the pastor of the church that has the records from the church in the 1740's that Christopher & Catharina belonged to. I gave him all of the names of the children with approx. birth dates, and he has a lady that will check the records for them. It will be interesting if we can glean any info from that. One site that has reviewed the passenger lists has given Dueber/Tueber as possibilities for their last name as well, and my contact in Switzerland said that there are three cantons that show that name in their records before 1800. Since so much has been done going forward from Christopher Truby Jr., I thought it would be interesting to go backward and see if we could find out where we originated from. I'm also hoping he actually signed the Oath of Allegiance and his will that we'll be going to see next week, and we'll be able to get some clues from that as well. Let me know if you would like copies of anything!

Rebecca
inkinmama@gmail.com

Re: Tell me more about my surname anyone!!!

SarahWalls70 — 2011-03-19 18:56:30Z

Hi Rebecca, My source was an early Truby researcher. I can send you the email if you give me your email address. It is too long to post on here. Your Swiss researcher might also want to investigate the name Druijff Traub as the original name of John Christopher Drube/Truby Sr. coming from Amsterdam. Regards, Sarah