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Looking for Thoel & Sather Ancestors in Chicago area

Looking for Thoel & Sather Ancestors in Chicago area

Gwen Upton (View posts)
Posted: 23 Jul 2003 9:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thoel Sather Nikielski
Looking to connect with some of my grandmother's sister's decendants for information and/or photos. They were all born in the early 1900s
Johnny, Helen, Eddy, and Charlie Thoel, father's name unknown AND
Sally Sather, Father's name unknown. Their mother's name was Anna Nikielski or Nichols. In 1930 she married for a third time to a Johnson.
All the daughters of Anna could have been married, I don't know.

Re: Looking for Thoel & Sather Ancestors in Chicago area

Posted: 28 Dec 2009 8:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thoel
Hello, My mother, maiden name Arlene Thoel, was born in Oaklawn, Il a south suburb of Chicago. My grandfather, William Thoel(Bill) was born in Chicago, Il around 1912. His mother was Irish and his father was of some sort of German desent which we were never permitted to talk about. One of my cousins went to Germany and discovered that many of the Thoels were of Jewish ancestry and tool makers. Since the rest of my family is Irish Catholic, this may be why we were told not to speak of it. But he was my favorite grandfather, an artist, musician, very funny, and could fix anything. He was a great man.

Re: Looking for Thoel & Sather Ancestors in Chicago area

Posted: 29 Dec 2009 8:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Here's some more specific info on your William F. b. 3 May 1910 died 14 May 1992 last residence Orland Park.
here is HIS father's obit
Chicago Tribune (IL) - November 15, 1966

Deceased Name: Thoel
William F. Thoel, beloved husband of the late Anna, nee Craven; loving father of Ruth Wahl, Earl, William, and John Thoel; dear grandfather of nine; great-grandfather of seven; fond brother of Minnie Compton and Gussie Byram. Funeral Wednesday, 9:15 a.m., from funeral home, 8400 Ashland avenue, to St. Denis church. Mass 10 a.m. Interment Holy Sepulchre. 233-4310.
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Copyright 1966, Chicago Tribune. For permission to reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

He was born 21 Dec 1876 in Cook county and died bef. Obit Nov 1966 last residence Ashburn Park,Cook,IL zip 60652

He married Anna(Annie)CRAVEN Cook county 12 Nov 1902
HER parents were born in Ireland. Nicholas CRAVEN b. Jan 1840,married abt. 1868,USA abt. 1870 to Indiana were his known children were born in Wayne County. Wife Mary b. Aug 1841 Ireland,same dates for marriage and immigration.
1880 census Wayne,Wayne,IN
Nick(1828 in 1880-Jan 1840 in 1900 census)
Mary(1835 in 1880-Aug 1841 in 1900 census)
Known children
Mary 1869 IN(1880 census date)married a KING
John 1872 IN(1880 census date)
Ella(aka Nellie /Ellen)1880 date 1874 IN-1900 date Feb 1878
Nick(aka Nicholas 1875 in 1880-in 1900 Dec 1875-1920 census with sister Anna THOEL's family)
Annie(aka Anna b. 1878 in 1880-in 1900 b. Apr 1881 MARRIED
William F. THOEL see above. Was a TWIN to Delia)
Delia(aka Della married Gerhard Ernsthausen,b. abt. 1878 in 1880,in 1900 APR 1881 was a TWIN to Annie)
1900 census Chicago the CRAVEN family is in
29th ward Town of Lake,census taken 4 Jun 1900
renting a house at 4067 Wentworth
here's an obit CRAVIN which matches
Chicago Tribune (IL) - November 12, 1965
Deceased Name: Ernsthausen
Della Ernsthausen, nee Craven, beloved wife of the late Gerhard; dear sister of the late Mary King, Ellen Craven, Margaret Franks, Anna Thoel, and Nicholas Craven. Resting at Klein-Evergreen Funeral Home, 2955 W. 95th street, Evergreen Park. Funeral Saturday, 9 a.m. from chapel, to Most Holy Redeemer church for mass at 9:30 a.m. Interment Holy Sepulchre cemetery. GA 2-7010.
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Copyright 1965, Chicago Tribune. For permission to reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.

1900 census Chicago
taken 9 Jun 1900
29th ward
Town of Lake
4401 LaSalle St owns,can't read his occupation
William b. Jul 1840 GERMANY,to USA 1867,married abt. 1870(not records because of Chicago Fire),
Regie(aka Riggie nickname for Fredericka)wife,b.Apr 1850 Germany,to USA abt. 1868,married abt. 1870,had 12 children,only 5 alive in 1900 census)
William***b. Dec 1876IL married Annie CRAVEN
Gussie b. Aug 1881 IL(augusta mary)married Edward BYRAM in Chicago 27 Jun 1905)
Minnie,b. Sept 1883 IL married Clarence G. COMPTON in Chicago 29 Oct 1901-her obit dated 4 Jan 1972)
Clara,b. Aug 1891 IL(married Sam SMITH had Cora SMITH 21 Dec 1911)
Henry,b. Oct 1876 IL(probably Henry died 20 Jan 1926 Chicago)

1920 census 30th ward Chicago
149 West 46th place
taken 19-20 Jan 1920
William,43,b.IL parents b. Germany laborer wire factory
Anna,40,b. IN parents b. Ireland
Willie,9,b.IL(your grandfather)
FRANKS, John,nephew,12,b.IL father b. IL mother b. IN(means a Craven mother)
CRAVEN, NICHOLAS,Brother in Law,43,single,b.IN parents b. Ireland-laborer-stock yards

here's an obit for your grandmother Helen(William's wife)
Chicago Tribune (IL) - April 20, 2003
Deceased Name: THOEL, HELEN T.
Helen T. Thoel, nee Morrissroe, age 90. Beloved wife of the late William; devoted mother of Nancy (Arthur) Aldridge, Arlene (late John) Broderick, Madeline Lindert and David Thoel; loving grandmother of 15; and greatgrandmother of 26. Chapel prayer 9:30 a.m. Tuesday, April 22, 2003, from the Schmaedeke Funeral Home, 14205 Union Ave., (1 blk. N. of 103rd and Southwest Highway), Orland Park, to St. Michael Church, Orland Park. Mass 10 a.m. Visitation Monday 3 to 9 p.m. In lieu of flowers memorials to Vitas Hospice, Matteson, IL. Interment Holy Sepulchre Cemetery. 708-349-0111.
Edition: Chicago Final
Page: 9
Copyright (c) 2003, Chicago Tribune Company. All rights reserved.
another obit for your grandfather's sister Ruth(Arthur)WAHL
Chicago Tribune (IL) - January 16, 1968

Deceased Name: Wahl
Ruth A. Wahl, nee Thoel, loving wife of the late Arthur D.; dear sister of Earl L. [Florence], William F. [Helen], and John J. [Pearl] Thoel; dear niece of Minnie Compton and Gussie Byram; found aunt of nine; great-aunt of eight. Funeral Thursday, 10:30 a.m., from funeral home, 8400 S. Ashland avenue, to St. Denis church. Mass 11:15 a.m. Interment St. Mary. 233-4310. Visitation after 5 p.m. Tuesday.
Edition: Chicago Tribune
Copyright 1968, Chicago Tribune. For permission to reprint, contact Chicago Tribune.
IF you want copies here's where to go-some are free,others cost
OBITS Oak Lawn Public Library
for William F. your grandfather and his wife

marriage license(free to copy)
William F to Annie CRAVEN 1902(at St Cecilias Church by Rev Danl(Daniel)E. REILLY)
mormon pilot website under IL>Cook County Marriage licenses to 1920
also has marriages of Minnie THOEL 1901 to Clarence G COMPTON,Augusta Mary THOEL to Edward BYRAM 1905,Clara to Samuel SMITH 1908
and several births are listed COMPTON and BYRAM under IL>Cook County Birth certificates.

IL State Archives Death Index pre 1960 death index
Nicholas age 62yrs died 21 Nov 1903 cert #00002435
Mary age 66yrs died 22 Mar 1913 cert # 0002992
William age 59yrs died 12 Sep 1903 cert #00017634
Riggie(aka Regie)age 48 yrs died 2 Mar 1904 cert # 00017701
can get copies of these death certs from cynthia reasonable charges.
your grandfather William THOEL married Cook County Helen MORRISROE as of 8 Aug 1932. This info from Cook County Clerk's online genealogy indexes

Your story reminded me of my grandparents that's why I helped.

Re: Looking for Thoel & Sather Ancestors in Chicago area

Posted: 29 Dec 2009 11:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much, I can't wait to show this to my mom!
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