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Lucille Helen Mchardy

Lucille Helen Mchardy

Posted: 17 May 2002 2:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 May 2005 10:56PM GMT
Im looking for any information on Lucille. She was married to William Gordon Carter. She lived in Oregon and California

Lucille Helen Mchardy - Her Family History

Andrew J. McHardy (View posts)
Posted: 15 Sep 2002 1:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: McHardy
Dear Becky

From your original email:

"I found more information about Lucille. Her parents names are William
McHardy and Bessie Keller. Williams parents are John McHardy and Hester
Crojier. Lucille was born January 30, 1908 and died February 6, 1997. I
know she was married to William Gordon Carter and a few other men. She
lived in Oregon and California. When she died her married name was Carr.
Lucille's parents names were William McHardy and Bessie Keller. William's
parents were John McHardy and Hester Crojier.

Do you have any information on this line? Thanks"

The following is the culmination of three years of email communication, and
the resources gathered by McHardys in Canada, America, South Africa and the
homeland through thousands of hours of research given freely. It just shows
how much information has now become available to the clan should they wish
to work on their family history.

A) I am glad to report that the name Hester Crojier (or Crozier) rang a bell
with Sandra Gurney - a South African McHardy. Sandra.Gurney@WSPGroup.com. Sandra keeps a McHardy database - I had passed
to her a family tree of a Canadian branch of the clan which I had received
from Julie-Ann McHardy in Ontario mchardyj@rogers.com. Her ancestors
originated in the district of Corgarff, Strathdon Parish in Aberdeenshire,
Scotland. Thank goodness for Sandra's filing.

B) To take things back as far as we can at present. More work needs done
here and I would ask Julie-Ann to check what I type by using the work of
Sandra DeMartino (SBTINO@cs.com) who has made all the McHardy entries in the
Strathdon OPR available via her McHardy Family of Ordachoy website at
www.geocities.com/mchardyofordachoy. (also those for adjoining parishes of
Glenmuick, Tullich, and Glengairn; and Crathie and Braemar as well. Sandra
has also the records of the Roman Catholic Mission in Glengairn and Braemar
which for copyright reasons she cannot put online. However she is happy to
receive request for information).

This story all begins with the name Norman. A name synonymous with Julie's
ancestors who we know for sure farmed at Dellavine in Corgarff, Parish of
Strathdon, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.

However, the first recorded Normand McHardy was the son of William McHardy
of Little Corryhoul (close to Delavine). This Normand was christened in
March 1707. (Incidentally my own crowd come from Corryhoul too).

We know that a Norman McHardy had an illigitemate daughter called Katherine
in February 1737 (mother's name not recorded).

A Norman McHardy married a Margaret Ferries (??) on July 11th 1738.

A Norman McHardy married an ? McIntosh from the Parish of Braemar on the
14th April 1761.

There is a family tombstone in the kirkyard at Strathdon as follows : -

Here lies the memorial of Norman McHardy farmer in Delavine who died May
12th 1790 aged 83 years. Interred here William McHardy farmer Delavine who
died 24th March 1824 aged 72, Also Elspet Stuart his spouse who died 10th
December 1815 aged 55, Also William son of John and Penelope McHardy
Delavine grandson of William and great grandson of Norman who died 21st
January 1845 aged 25, Also Henry son of the above John and Penelope died
25th May 1859. Done by the parents of the last William.

You will note that from his age Norman was born around 1707. This grave
incidentally is next to my own g g g g grandfather John's (1754-1813).

C) From the tombstone it is most likely that Norman had a son called
William. I cannot find a christening date for a William McHardy with father
called Norman. From the above tombstone we know that a Norman and a William
McHardy farmed at Delavine (Dellavein). This William is recorded in the
Strathdon OPR with the following children and christening dates. We can see
from this and the tombstone that his wife went by two surnames McComish and
Stuart.

21 Sept 1783 Margaret (mother not listed)
14 May 1785 William (mother not listed)
14 Oct 1787 Norman (mother not listed)
08 July 1790 John (mother not listed)
08 Oct 1792 James (mother listed as Elspet McComish)
05 June 1795 Sophia (mother listed as Elspet McComish)
01 Nov 1797 Jean (mother listed as Elspet McComish)
20 Dec 1799 Elspet (mother listed as Elspet McComish)
20 Jan 1803 Jannet (mother listed as Elspet McComish)

D) It was Norman McHardy christened in 1787 who found his way to Canada (I
think James may have done likewise to Huron County, Ontario but that is
another extended story).

Norman McHardy was married to Mary Michie. To my knowledge they farmed at
Ordachoinachan in Corgarff (close to Delavine). There is mention in the
records of the Lonach Highland & Friendly Society that Norman "has gone to
America". A collective term for the whole of North America in the records of
the society. He last paid his annual dues to the Society in in 1826 (he
could have left at any time after this as the Society was none too strict at
collecting the money owed). Incidentally I also think he was "doer" for the
land owner Forbes of Skellater. There are records with his name on them in
the Forbes of Newe Papers in the Special Collection in the University of
Aberdeen.

Here is the family tree of his offspring amended by Sandra Gurney to show
your Lucille : -

1-Norman MCHARDY (1786-1858) - born in Corgarff, Aberdeenshire.
sp: Mary MICHIE (1800-1885)
2-Isabel MCHARDY (1822-7 May 1894)
2-John MCHARDY (25 Dec 1832-6 Sep 1906)
sp: Hester CROZIER (-1900)
3-Mary MCHARDY (11 Nov 1858-4 May 1946)
3-Sarah Isabel MCHARDY (27 Apr 1860-)
3-Norman Adam MCHARDY (28 Feb 1862-18 Oct 1942)
3-Emily MCHARDY (10 Dec 1863-16 Jul 1936)
3-John MCHARDY (30 Jan 1866-16 May 1952)
3-Joseph MCHARDY (22 Apr 1868-17 Dec 1939)
3-William MCHARDY (15 Jul 1870-) x Bessie Keller = Lucille Helen???
3-Ann MCHARDY (27 Jun 1872-14 Nov 1961)
3-Jennie MCHARDY (16 Aug 1874-16 Jan 1901)
3-Catherine MCHARDY (28 Apr 1876-8 Apr 1951)
3-Christina MCHARDY (6 Mar 1878-)
3-Hester Grace MCHARDY (10 Jan 1880-)
2-Jane MCHARDY (-)
2-William MCHARDY (-)
2-Adam MCHARDY (1837-Sep 1855)

We know that not all the children of Norman McHardy are listed above.
Julie-Ann has old letters in her possession. One is dated 6th April 1841 and
is written by James McHardy in Aberdeen to his father Norman McHardy care of
Mr. Andrew McHardy Caledonian Tavern, McGill Street, Montreal. James also
mentions a brother William in the letter. "William is quite well and
improving fast, he is much stouter than I". This is confusing however with the tree above.

Another letter dated 12th April 1843 at Bellwood, Aboyne, Aberdeenshire from Charles Michie to Norman care of Andrew McHardy, Caledonian Tavern MacGill, Montreal via Liverpool. "You may have the melancholy news of the death of
your son James who died here on the 7th of March and was buried at Glengairn on the 9th (March)". Again a brother William is mentioned - "William is keeping stout and healthy enclosed you have a letter of his, never will write like his brother he is a stout good looking boy." Another letter from Charles Michie this time dated 21st of August 1843 from Turriff in Aberdenshire states; "I had a letter from William lately he is well and learning to play the fiddle he is a good boy but not so quick as his brother was".

E) From an early email I received from Julie-Ann it would appear that John McHardy married Hester Crozier in Gananoque, Quebec, Canada in 1857. We know that he is buried in Scotch Road Cemetery, In Township of Grenville,
Argenteuil County, Quebec. The following are entries in a cemetery list sent to me by Julie-Ann.

5. Emily McHardy died July 16, 1936
Mary McHardy Nov 1858 - May 4, 1946

6. Jennie McHardy beloved wife and baby of Samuel Kelly Died Jan. 16, 1901 aged 26 yrs 5 mos. Mother and Babe asleep in Jesus

8. John McHardy Born Dec 25, 1832 died Sept 6, 11906
Hester Crosier wife of John McHardy Deied Oct 11, 1900.
Rest for the Toiling Hand
Rest for the Anxious brow
Rest for the Weary way
Worn feet Rest from all Labour

9. Isabella McHardy Died May 7, 1894 aged 72 yrs.
Norman McHardy Died July 1858 aged 72 yrs.
Adam McHardy Died Sept. 1855 aged 18 yrs

Well Becky - this is all I have for you. I hope it has been of interest and of use. I hope you will sign the new visitors book at www.corgarff.com

For anyone who is interested I have some pictures of the ruin of an old long house I found at Delavine earlier this summer - approx 30 ft long by 6 ft wide. All that is left is the stone outline. This matches the size and shape of another at Ordachoinachan and one behind Corgarff Castle on the braeface.The houses in Corgarff appear to have been much improved after Forbes of Newe took over the estate of Skellater. New homes were obviously built while the families lived in the old ones.

Best Regards

Andrew J. McHardy

Re: Lucille Helen Mchardy - Her Family History

Posted: 25 May 2011 1:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: McHardy
Andrew, do you know how I can contact Sandra Gurney - I need to confirm my gggrandmother's information as per her family site.
Regards
Grethe (prins@kingsley.co.za)
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