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Alfred Winning

Alfred Winning

Posted: 2 Mar 2002 10:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Everyone.
Alfred Winning appears on a marriage certificate as a witness to the marriage of Thomas Copeland and Margaret Winning on 12 May 1866 at the Cathedral Manchester England. Elizabeth Padmore is also a witness. I looked him up on the 1881 Census, and the only one I could find was living at 34 Eastrop Cottages Highworth Wiltshire, his wife is Elizabeth and they had a son Thomas(21). They also had another daughter Mary Jane(19). Next door, no 36, was John Winning(70) widow. I found an entry for Alfred on the bmd, June 1838,Swindon & co which includes Highworth. Has anyone any further info. on these, as they may tie up with my lot.
Regards
Alan Henderson

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 11 Mar 2002 10:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Nov 2002 6:16PM GMT
There is a Alfred Winning born Apr-June 1838 Swindon &Co
1859 Apr-Jun birth Thomas Highworth
1862 Jul Sep birth Mary Jane Highworth
if you have anymore names maybe I can help

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 1 Apr 2002 1:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Clearly we have two different Alfred's but I wonder if there is a link. Alan's lead to Highworth opens the possibility of Alfred's father being John (living next door in the 1881 Census). This John is probably the John who married Susanna Smith in 1833 at Highworth, they had a daughter Mary born in 1834 in Highworth. It is likely that this is the Alfred mentioned as a witness at Margaret's wedding. There is evidence linking the Brimpsfield, Highworth and Manchester Winning families and an unproven possibility of other links to Ireland and Wales. Unfortunatly I have several entries arround these dates but I have been unable to tie them all together. In all I have 56 Winning's recorded in Highworth dating back to Thomas who died in 1622 leaving a very helpful will.

The other Alfred (the one who was my GGG) was born in St John's Cardiff and marrying in 1878 in Lambeth, London. The other Welsh Winning I have are positively linked to Manchester while the other Lambeth links I have are to Ireland, what I have been unable to do is positively tie them all together. This Alfred is believed to have been born in 1859, parents yet to be identified. Family has suggested his mother may have been a McKenzie and his father worked on Coastal Shipping routes between Cardiff, Liverpool and Glasgow. Another family story suggests he may have been killed on the River Mersey c 1900. Can anybody help me further with this Alfred, I am happy to share all of the other data I have.

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 2 Apr 2002 10:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Nov 2002 6:16PM GMT
I have Alfred Thomas born 1858 Cardiff
Alfred Thomas born 1863 Cardiff
Mary born 1866 Cardiff
Ann born 1869 Cardiff

Marrriages William 1857 Cardiff
Gertrude 1882 Cardiff
William 1885 Cardiff
Margaret Ann 1892 Cardiff

I have an Alfred died 1902 Chorlton hope this lot helps.
Any info on Winnings from Ireland would be welcome
ken

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 2 Apr 2002 10:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Nov 2002 6:16PM GMT
I have Alfred Thomas born 1858 Cardiff
Alfred Thomas born 1863 Cardiff
Mary born 1866 Cardiff
Ann born 1869 Cardiff

Marrriages William 1857 Cardiff
Gertrude 1882 Cardiff
William 1885 Cardiff
Margaret Ann 1892 Cardiff

I have an Alfred died 1902 Chorlton hope this lot helps.
Any info on Winnings from Ireland would be welcome
ken

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 3 Apr 2002 8:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ken,
Your data is broardly in line with mine except I have no previous record of Gertrude. My GGG, Alfred Thomas I have as born 1859 in Cardiff as shown on the 1881 Census. The Alfred Thomas you have born in 1869 is more difficult to place. I have two brothers of Alfred Thomas, see details below. All three appear in the 1881 London Census each with offspring. I have not been able to access the 1901 Census which will clearly give more useful data. Alfred & John were living in Lambeth in 1881 where some members of your Irish connections appear to have settled. I will forward a copy of all of the Irish Winning data I have.
The other Winning references I have in Wales seem to relate to Alan Henderson's family connections from Manchester which suggests there may be a link but it is yet to be proved.
Clearly there is a strong possibility that all of these Winning's were somehow related although the Welsh connection appears to have been broken when they mostly moved to England. I have the following Welsh Winning data:-
William b1838 Manchester m 1857 Llandaff - Elizabeth Carne, children:-
Harriet Jane b1859 Cardiff
William Richard b1863 Cardiff m1885 Cardiff ?????
Margaret Ann b1869 Cardiff m1892 Cardiff ??????
Mary Elizabeth b1866 Cardiff.
Possibly the Gertrude you mentioned?
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Matthew John b1873 Pembroke also died 1873
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Robert b1852 possibly Cardiff m 1875 Lambeth - Annie (Vickers?)
John b1856 Cardiff m1879 Lambeth - Mary A
Alfred Thomas b1859 Cardiff m1878 Lambeth - Emily Draycott
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M. Winning b1869 Cardiff(unmarried) living with G. Winning b1849 Hereford boarding in Cardiff in 1881 Census.
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Henry b1857 Cheltenham boarding in Portskewett, Monmouth in 1881 Census.

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 17 Sep 2007 1:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
My great grandfather was called Alfred Winning resided in Northern Ireland, not too sure when or where he was born yet, just starting.

Re: Alfred Winning

Posted: 20 Mar 2012 6:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
interested in hearing what thomas winning left in his will. im a descendant from edith ellen winning who was my great grandmother. am very interested in hearing any history of the winnings of highworth. many thanks jerry
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